Eastern Conference | Round 1 | (4) Philadelphia 76ers vs. (5) Toronto Raptors (PHI 3-2)

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Series Prediction for 76ers vs. Raptors?

76ers in 4
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25%
76ers in 5
40
22%
76ers in 6
11
6%
76ers in 7
4
2%
Raptors in 6
12
7%
Raptors in 7
70
38%
 
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Post#1121 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:28 pm

fbalmeida wrote:
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M2J wrote:Raptors should've tanked again this year for another top 5 pick. They definitely have talent, but they're not winning anything anytime soon.


I believe that FVV and Siakam don't have much trade value so they couldn't trade them in return for anything like a lottery pick. I don't believe that Masai has rebuild authority. Their only hope is that Barnes becomes a superstar or they somehow acquire one through trade or developing a diamond in the rough sort of guy.


About Masai's authority, he has carte blanche to run the franchise as he sees fit from Larry Tannenbaum.


Okay, no matter what the Raptors are still treadmilling.



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Post#1122 » by fbalmeida » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:33 pm

Meaningless statement. We have the best regular season record over the past decade, save for the Golden State Warriors and won a championship 3 years ago.

The purpose of an NBA franchise is to win games, entertain, make money, and win the occasional championship. The Masai era has been a resounding success.
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Post#1123 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:47 pm

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Free agency is why the Raptors couldn't defend their title or compete for one after McGrady left town.


Right, we couldn't defend our title. Good one. I'm grateful that Kawhi left. He's been injured and flamed out against Denver. The Raptors were able to reset without owing him an enormous financial commitment in his declining years. And I think really highly of him, but without question being a bad free agent destination helped us dodge a bullet.

McGrady is a bit of a reach. The CBA is different and a star really can't leave after their first two contracts. I'm not sure how that applies to Toronto now.


McGrady wasn't a star when he left Toronto.


And so how does that work into your argument?
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Post#1124 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:49 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
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Right, we couldn't defend our title. Good one. I'm grateful that Kawhi left. He's been injured and flamed out against Denver. The Raptors were able to reset without owing him an enormous financial commitment in his declining years. And I think really highly of him, but without question being a bad free agent destination helped us dodge a bullet.

McGrady is a bit of a reach. The CBA is different and a star really can't leave after their first two contracts. I'm not sure how that applies to Toronto now.


McGrady wasn't a star when he left Toronto.


And so how does that work into your argument?


That false statement didn't work for you.
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Post#1125 » by bebopdeluxe » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:53 pm

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bisme37 wrote:The fan in me was hoping this would be a competitive series but I gotta admit the mod in me is quite ready for it to end lol.

Thread has been the worst disaster on RGM by a mile and last time I jumped in to get it back on track I got called a fascist in the thread and received heartwarming PMs such as, "boston fan, just stfu, moron."

Sorry Raps fans but Go Sixers. Just put us out of our misery please.


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If someone sounds like a troll to you, it's best to assume everyone else can see the same thing, you don't need to point it out. When you respond to someone that you think is being a troll, you feed the trolls and help bring down the discussion to a lower level.

Engage with fans you think are being reasonable, there are plenty of people on the other sides of arguments that will have non-troll takes. You'll find that you enter the board feeling rejuvinated and it's a source of relaxation outside of life, rather than feeling charged up/stressed and ready to "throw down" with the people you are arguing with.

Sorry you've had to deal with all this stuff mods!


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The other thing is the "manage foes" functionality. If there is a particular poster that you are tired of engaging with, or someone whose posts you don't want to see anymore, just put 'em on your list. I don't like to do it a lot, but it has been helpful for me lately.
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Post#1126 » by ATLTimekeeper » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:58 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
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McGrady wasn't a star when he left Toronto.


And so how does that work into your argument?


That false statement didn't work for you.


If he was a Raptor today, he couldn't leave after 3 years. The worst he could do is sit out and force a trade, but that only happens in poorly run organizations.
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Post#1127 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:08 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
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ATLTimekeeper wrote:
And so how does that work into your argument?


That false statement didn't work for you.


If he was a Raptor today, he couldn't leave after 3 years. The worst he could do is sit out and force a trade, but that only happens in poorly run organizations.


The CBA is constantly being adjusted so that undesirable free agent destinations have more power to keep players. So Toronto less frequently has to experience players running back to America as soon as they can like McGrady, Carter, Bosh, and Kawhi.
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Post#1128 » by First Step » Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:52 pm

Terrible news about Embiid. As much as I despise the 76ers and their pathetic tanking process, their GM using burner accounts to criticize players on his team, you still hate to see MVP talent get injured during the playoffs.
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Post#1129 » by DroseReturnChi » Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:23 am

First Step wrote:Terrible news about Embiid. As much as I despise the 76ers and their pathetic tanking process, their GM using burner accounts to criticize players on his team, you still hate to see MVP talent get injured during the playoffs.


thats not changing the outcome of series anyway even without embiid.
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Post#1130 » by LukaTheGOAT » Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:17 am

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LukaTheGOAT wrote:Fun fact:

This is the THIRD STRAIGHT POSTSEASON where Pascal Siakam's TS% has dropped by about 9%.


It is much harder to have a high TS% when you don't get to the line. When Siakam plays 48 minutes in a playoff game and has ZERO free throw attempts, your TS% is going to plummet.

https://sites.northwestern.edu/nusportsanalytics/2020/01/09/what-matters-more-for-true-shooting-percentage-free-throw-attempt-rate-or-free-throw-percentage/

When Siakam is doing all of that dipsy-doodle dribbling - especially when being guarded by Embiid (although Harris made him work as well) it limits his ability to get to the line - unless he is more aggressive and initiates (or forces) enough contact to get to the line. You can hate Embiid and Harden all you want, but they put pressure on the rim and get to the line. As long as Siakam continues to not get to the line, as the study from Northwestern suggests above, his TS% will continue to suffer.


Thanks for the link to this interesting study. Please share any other basketball research you come across.
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Post#1131 » by 76ciology » Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:53 am

Long term, I think Raps should replace both GTJ and FVV if they really want to be switchable on defense.
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Post#1132 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:05 pm

76ciology wrote:Long term, I think Raps should replace both GTJ and FVV if they really want to be switchable on defense.


I mean, that seems somewhat logical, but they'd have to replace them with bigger players that can defend, handle and hit volume 3s. There's not a lot of those.

Being switchable is just a concept that can help teams slow down the rhythm of an offense, but it's not a silver bullet in winning games. The best offensive talents can beat any switch and any scheme. The Raptors best foot forward is just continuing to develop Scottie Barnes as an offensive hub that can also play off the ball and defend. If he continues to improve they won't have to worry about mismatches on defense.
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Post#1133 » by 76thBearCub » Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:45 pm

Everyone that voted in the original poll was just kidding right?
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Post#1134 » by Wolfgang630 » Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:06 pm

Nick Nurse said someone has to comeback from 3-0. It is true one day it will happen. Not seeing this series being the one though.
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Post#1135 » by cupcakesnake » Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:22 pm

76ciology wrote:Long term, I think Raps should replace both GTJ and FVV if they really want to be switchable on defense.


So you want them to eliminate guards entirely (as well as their 2 best shooters)? As far as switchable guards go, those 2 rate very highly. Trent is 6'6" (shoes) with a 6'9" wingspan. Fred is very stout against most matchups. Obviously forwards are inherently more switchable due to size, but a team needs to be able to do more than just switch on defense.

Even with Barnes out, this is arguably the most switchable team of all-time. They don't need to become more switchable, they need to shore up their primary weaknesses: rim pressure, backline defense, size at center, and shooting. I think the Raps knew all season they were short 1 rotation guard and 1 center. They chased centers hard at the trade deadline (Poetl, Nerlens Noel, Porzingis) before they settled for Thadd.

The Raps hoped they could fluster Embiid enough with their switching defense, but evidently clearly underestimated him. Even if they were even more switchable, it wouldn't have helped with this matchup. It's too important with Embiid to have at least 1 primary defender who can bother him. I bet the Raps continue their chase for a workable center this offseason. It's been their biggest problem since Gasol left.
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Post#1136 » by cupcakesnake » Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:25 pm

First Step wrote:Terrible news about Embiid. As much as I despise the 76ers and their pathetic tanking process, their GM using burner accounts to criticize players on his team, you still hate to see MVP talent get injured during the playoffs.


If you hate the sixers for their burner account using GM, then you hate the Raptors too. Bryan Colangelo has led both teams. Despising Colangelo should unite Sixers and Raptors fans, not divide them!
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Post#1137 » by slicedbread2 » Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:41 pm

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76ciology wrote:Long term, I think Raps should replace both GTJ and FVV if they really want to be switchable on defense.


So you want them to eliminate guards entirely (as well as their 2 best shooters)? As far as switchable guards go, those 2 rate very highly. Trent is 6'6" (shoes) with a 6'9" wingspan. Fred is very stout against most matchups. Obviously forwards are inherently more switchable due to size, but a team needs to be able to do more than just switch on defense.

Even with Barnes out, this is arguably the most switchable team of all-time. They don't need to become more switchable, they need to shore up their primary weaknesses: rim pressure, backline defense, size at center, and shooting. I think the Raps knew all season they were short 1 rotation guard and 1 center. They chased centers hard at the trade deadline (Poetl, Nerlens Noel, Porzingis) before they settled for Thadd.

The Raps hoped they could fluster Embiid enough with their switching defense, but evidently clearly underestimated him. Even if they were even more switchable, it wouldn't have helped with this matchup. It's too important with Embiid to have at least 1 primary defender who can bother him. I bet the Raps continue their chase for a workable center this offseason. It's been their biggest problem since Gasol left.


Yes getting a legit big was a problem for the Raptors and Khem Birch as much as I like him was not it. It didn't help that they outbid themselves by giving him a 3/20M deal when similar big men like Willie Hernangomez got a 3/7.5M(last year team option). If Birch's deal was a team option he'd have been far easier to move. When they settled for Thad and Josh Richardson was flipped there, I was hoping the Raps could've done something like this:

San Antonio: Khem Birch(if his last year was a team option it'd be far more feasible), Dragic, Bonga, TOR 22 1st, future 2nd
Toronto: Josh Richardson, Thaddeus Young, DET 2nd

-San Antonio would've shed salary for next year and Birch's deal would've expired at the same time as Collins and Dejounte's deal.
-Toronto badly needed a 2 guard off the bench to spell minutes for Trent Jr. when he needed rest. They'd have Young's bird rights and I would've loved to give him a 2/10-12M deal with a 3rd year being a player option to simply work with Barnes and Achiuwa as he's a solid vet, but wouldn't blame him for going elsewhere to get a ring. Plus J-Rich has one more year at 12M and could be flipped if need be. He's really excelled in a bench role as shown this past year in Boston/San Antonio

I wish they could've played Flynn more in a backup pg role even if it meant some short term pain in order to let him learn from his mistakes and save the wear and tear from Vanvleet while having Banton play in the g-league to develop his jump shot and have some confidence.

Honestly even though Embiid has been whipping them badly as he should, seeing Maxey killing them this easily has been brutal to see but honestly the 76ers are at a stage where they've endured the luxuries and heartache of playoff basketball and maybe they finally break through. I'd be happy for Danny Green and Embiid as Silver/league executives wouldn't be too happy with Hinkie's project finally succeeding(the Process). Seeing Harden win a ring before Brooklyn would be amusing.

Either way it's been fun seeing Scottie shine and Precious has left me impressed as I honestly thought he'd need at least 2 more years before showing progress. His FT shot needs work, but his 3pt shot has come along nicely and hopefully his BB IQ and decision making improves with more reps.

Honestly I had Philly in 6 as the Raptors inexperience outside the title core was gonna be a problem and Embiid was gonna steamroll them, but Maxey's emergence as a 2nd/3rd option has elevated them to a whole new level. If Harris can be consistent and give them 15/10 a game that'd be nice.
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Post#1138 » by Sixerscan » Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:44 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:
First Step wrote:Terrible news about Embiid. As much as I despise the 76ers and their pathetic tanking process, their GM using burner accounts to criticize players on his team, you still hate to see MVP talent get injured during the playoffs.


If you hate the sixers for their burner account using GM, then you hate the Raptors too. Bryan Colangelo has led both teams. Despising Colangelo should unite Sixers and Raptors fans, not divide them!

Pretty sure Collars admitted to tanking when he was with the raptors, also.
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Post#1139 » by cupcakesnake » Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:07 pm

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First Step wrote:Terrible news about Embiid. As much as I despise the 76ers and their pathetic tanking process, their GM using burner accounts to criticize players on his team, you still hate to see MVP talent get injured during the playoffs.


If you hate the sixers for their burner account using GM, then you hate the Raptors too. Bryan Colangelo has led both teams. Despising Colangelo should unite Sixers and Raptors fans, not divide them!

Pretty sure Collars admitted to tanking when he was with the raptors, also.


Hmmm I dont remember that. I can picture it in the Raps worst Colangelo years (2011 and 2012). Bosh left for Miami and the team was built around Bargnani and a young Derozan. The draft picks that came out of that were Valanciunas (#5) and T.Ross (#8). Hardly an expiring tank before making win-now moves: bringing in Lowry and Rudy Gay, while stubbornly holding onto his favorite son (Bargs).

I remember Bryan Longcollars Raptors' tenure mostly for its constant hit-or-miss win-now moves. Bringing in international players like Anthony Parker, Garbajosa, Calderon, (hits!), trading for an injured Jermaine O'Neal (miss), signing Turkoglu to pair with Bosh/Bargs, (miss!), Lowry (hit), Gay (miss). By in large he was a decent GM in Toronto, though it's fair to call him bad since enough of his moves didnt work out and he didnt elevate that franchise overall.
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Post#1140 » by Sixerscan » Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:14 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:
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If you hate the sixers for their burner account using GM, then you hate the Raptors too. Bryan Colangelo has led both teams. Despising Colangelo should unite Sixers and Raptors fans, not divide them!

Pretty sure Collars admitted to tanking when he was with the raptors, also.


Hmmm I dont remember that. I can picture it in the Raps worst Colangelo years (2011 and 2012). Bosh left for Miami and the team was built around Bargnani and a young Derozan. The draft picks that came out of that were Valanciunas (#5) and T.Ross (#8). Hardly an expiring tank before making win-now moves: bringing in Lowry and Rudy Gay, while stubbornly holding onto his favorite son (Bargs).

I remember Bryan Longcollars Raptors' tenure mostly for its constant hit-or-miss win-now moves. Bringing in international players like Anthony Parker, Garbajosa, Calderon, (hits!), trading for an injured Jermaine O'Neal (miss), signing Turkoglu to pair with Bosh/Bargs, (miss!), Lowry (hit), Gay (miss). By in large he was a decent GM in Toronto, though it's fair to call him bad since enough of his moves didnt work out and he didnt elevate that franchise overall.


https://www.si.com/nba/2014/02/28/bryan-colangelo-toronto-raptors-tanking

Pretty sure the Raptors didn't try their hardest down the stretch last year either. Just happened to lose 10 of their last 11. We'll gladly take Barnes if Raptors fans feel gross about it.

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