MVP Rankings 1.0

JimMurray · Post #1121 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:26 pm

Bgil wrote:
A couple years ago Lebron sat out 6.5 games with a sprained finger on his NON-SHOOTING hand. If he fractured a finger on his shooting hand he'd be out for a month and a half (20 games or so)

Truth.

ugkfan2681 · Post #1122 » by **ugkfan2681** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:33 pm

kobe is mvp because laker fans says so.

ugkfan2681 · Post #1123 » by **ugkfan2681** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:34 pm

CharlieMurphy wrote:
kaiiu2324 wrote:Its ironic that a Kobe fan has Paul Pierce in their avatar.Lol im done with this, its not Kobe vs Lebron. Its MVP discussion

the avatar's hilarious. And I'm not a die hard kobe fan. I like the guy. Furthermore, even if I was a hardcore fan that wouldn't stop me from seeing what's obvious at this point--that at this point in the season Kobe's the MVP. Who will win it is still up for grabs but as far MVP goes for the first quarter, it's Kobe. But there's still plenty of basketball to be played.

The only thing that's ironic is when people use the word ironic when things aren't ironic.

why is kobe the clear cut mvp dont say based on stats just say because his team has the better record.

Benedict_Boozer · Post #1124 » by **Benedict_Boozer** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:42 pm

See5 wrote:I doubt it. This game isn't that important. Not nearly as important as last year's game.

I think it is given the hype the match-up is receiving in the media. People have a short term memory also, it really is a "what have you done for me lately" league IMO. There isn't that much separating the top two candidates at the moment either, 2-3 games? An injury can swing that quickly, etc.

But we will see what happens.

JimMurray · Post #1125 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:42 pm

ugkfan2681 wrote:kobe is mvp because laker fans says so.

You know the best part about winning an argument? It's when you have the other side so flustered, so frustrated, so besides themselves in defeat that the only offense they have left is to pick up a rock, throw it at you, and run away. That's what Lebron fanboys have become. I even heard somewhere that LebronsCavs got banned. LOL.

Benedict_Boozer is the only one who has managed to maintain an heir of dignity....actually, i wouldn't classify him as a Lebron fan boy at all. Booz is legit.

JimMurray · Post #1126 » by **JimMurray** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:45 pm

Benedict_Boozer wrote:
See5 wrote:I doubt it. This game isn't that important. Not nearly as important as last year's game.

I think it is given the hype the match-up is receiving in the media. People have a short term memory also, it really is a "what have you done for me lately" league IMO. There isn't that much separating the top two candidates at the moment either, 2-3 games? An injury can swing that quickly, etc.

But we will see what happens.

It always is. If Lebron comes out and drops 50 on the Lakers, and Kobe has a 9-27 game with 24 points, that will resonate with the voters. In these games however Kobe and Lebron have always managed to cancel each other out, and I think it will be difficult for either one to dominate the game.

Post #1127 » by **semi-sentient** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:45 pm

Dat Pass · Post #1128 » by **Dat Pass** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:12 pm

ugkfan2681 wrote:why is kobe the clear cut mvp dont say based on stats just say because his team has the better record.

Its been explained a million times.

Even if you want to use the whole "LeBron doesnt have as much talent" argument, explain to me how the Cavs lost to the Raptors, Bulls, Wizards, Bobcats, Grizzlies and the Dirk-less Mavs? Those are all bad losses. 5-6 bad losses 1/4 of the way in makes it tough for him to be MVP so far. On the other side, the Lakers are exceeding expectations, and Kobe's putting up 29-5-4 on 49% shooting. His performances since he broke his finger have only added to his MVP candidacy. Add on that he kept the Lakers at the top even without Gasol to start the season and the MVP is clearly Kobe's so far. (Obviously a lot can change)

I have yet to hear a good case be made for LeBron.

Sedale Threatt · Post #1129 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:13 pm

JimMurray wrote:
ugkfan2681 wrote:I even heard somewhere that LebronsCavs got banned. LOL.

That's a shocker.

ugkfan2681 · Post #1130 » by **ugkfan2681** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:05 am

JimMurray wrote:
ugkfan2681 wrote:kobe is mvp because laker fans says so.

You know the best part about winning an argument? It's when you have the other side so flustered, so frustrated, so besides themselves in defeat that the only offense they have left is to pick up a rock, throw it at you, and run away. That's what Lebron fanboys have become. I even heard somewhere that LebronsCavs got banned. LOL.

Benedict_Boozer is the only one who has managed to maintain an heir of dignity....actually, i wouldn't classify him as a Lebron fan boy at all. Booz is legit.

i think lebron stats speak for themselves so why argue the point he is putting up mvp stats.while his team is 21-8 on pace to win close to 60 games again.

ugkfan2681 · Post #1131 » by **ugkfan2681** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:06 am

also b boozer and most cavs fans are not worried about he mvp anymore they want that title.im just ya average rocket fans who enjoy watching lebron and cavs and think lebron is the best player in the nba.

7foot3 · Post #1132 » by **7foot3** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:19 am

JimMurray wrote:
Were they not the number one seed before getting Pau and Bynum getting injured? Step your game up dude, I was looking for a workout today. You're not even making me try. Where's Booz at? At least give me lj4mvp....at least he tries to be creative.

No. There were behind the Hornets, Suns and Spurs. Between Shaq and Pau, the Lakers won about 42 out of every 82 games. Without the big men, they haven't been that good. Does this mean that Kobe isn't having an MVP type season right now? No, but Lebron is shooting at a more efficient rate, pulling down more rebounds more often, and setting up his teammates more often. And as I just demonstrated, the all-star big man is what has pushed the Lakers over the top from mediocre to championship-level. Kobe is having what would normally be an edit*MVP* season, but he hasn't been making the same impact, both as an individual or for his team, as Lebron has.

YLSKillaCam · Post #1133 » by **YLSKillaCam** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:51 am

7foot3 wrote:
JimMurray wrote:
Were they not the number one seed before getting Pau and Bynum getting injured? Step your game up dude, I was looking for a workout today. You're not even making me try. Where's Booz at? At least give me lj4mvp....at least he tries to be creative.

No. There were behind the Hornets, Suns and Spurs. Between Shaq and Pau, the Lakers won about 42 out of every 82 games. Without the big men, they haven't been that good. Does this mean that Kobe isn't having an MVP type season right now? No, but Lebron is shooting at a more efficient rate, pulling down more rebounds more often, and setting up his teammates more often. And as I just demonstrated, the all-star big man is what has pushed the Lakers over the top from mediocre to championship-level. Kobe is having what would normally be an all-star season, but he hasn't been making the same impact, both as an individual or for his team, as Lebron has.

1. Lakers were #1 in the West prior to Gasol coming to the Lakers.
2. The Lakers were a playoff team with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker & Brian Cook starting. When Pau got to the Lakers, he wasn't considered more than just a solid big man. Now people call him the best PF in the league. Wonders what playing with Bryant can do for you.
3. Kobe's rebounding at his position is better than Lebron's at his position.
4. There's absolutely no proof that Lebron sets up his teammates more often; there is proof that Lebron hogs the ball more often than Kobe, however (USG%)
5. You demonstrated nothing.
6. Kobe is not just playing at an all star level, he's the best player in the game right now...and most people would agree that this season, Kobe's been flat out better than Lebron.
7. Impact? When Kobe's off the court Lakers get outscored by 6.7 points. When he's on the court his team outscores the opponent by 13.1 points. When James is off the court, the Cavs are only outscored by 6.0 points per game. When James is on the court, his team only outscores the other team by 8.6 points per game. Kobe's impact is clearly greater this season. Note that these two produce the most for their teams, so don't try to act like Artest or Varejao's impact is greater than these two for their teams.

7foot3 · Post #1134 » by **7foot3** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:44 am

YLSKillaCam wrote:
1. Lakers were #1 in the West prior to Gasol coming to the Lakers.
2. The Lakers were a playoff team with Kwame Brown, Smush Parker & Brian Cook starting. When Pau got to the Lakers, he wasn't considered more than just a solid big man. Now people call him the best PF in the league. Wonders what playing with Bryant can do for you.
3. Kobe's rebounding at his position is better than Lebron's at his position.
4. There's absolutely no proof that Lebron sets up his teammates more often; there is proof that Lebron hogs the ball more often than Kobe, however (USG%)
5. You demonstrated nothing.
6. Kobe is not just playing at an all star level, he's the best player in the game right now...and most people would agree that this season, Kobe's been flat out better than Lebron.
7. Impact? When Kobe's off the court Lakers get outscored by 6.7 points. When he's on the court his team outscores the opponent by 13.1 points. When James is off the court, the Cavs are only outscored by 6.0 points per game. When James is on the court, his team only outscores the other team by 8.6 points per game. Kobe's impact is clearly greater this season. Note that these two produce the most for their teams, so don't try to act like Artest or Varejao's impact is greater than these two for their teams.

1.Lakers were 29-16 at the time of the trade, Suns were 33-14.

2. Congrats on just making the playoffs without much help. The Cavs were able to play .500 or a bit better with backcourts including Eric Snow, Ira Newble, Sasha Pavlovic and Larry Hughes. Pau Gasol was an all-star 2 years before being traded, and likely would have been the year before if he didn't get hurt. To suggest people thought he was merely a 'solid big man' is just laughable.

3. Kobe is 14th among 2-guards in rebound rate, Lebron is 10th among 3's.

4. Lebron has a much higher assist rate. And his usage rate is just about the same. Kobe is the one using more possessions without getting his teammates involved.

5. I showed that the Lakers were decent without the all-star big man, and excellent with one.

6. Complete throwaway line. I can say most people agree that Lebron is the best player in the game with as much proof.

7. The fact that Artest and Varejao are leading their teams in those categories right now shows that we may have some sample size issues. Lebron has dominated Kobe in this category over the longer sample, the last few years.

Look, I get that Kobe is having an excellent year, the type that would frequently win a MVP. But Lebron is too. And he's doing it with just a bit more efficient numbers, and he's done it in the past more efficiently as well.

and I'm done here, as we certainly are going to violate the ToS very soon, if not already. I should have just left it after pointing out the Lakers ~.500 record between Shaq and Gasol.

YLSKillaCam · Post #1135 » by **YLSKillaCam** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:56 am

Lebron had an extremely impressive MVP performance tonight.

Original Baller · Post #1136 » by **Original Baller** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:33 am

Kobe will be MVP

get over it

Last year the media crowned LeBron right about now and never looked back. This year they've crowned Kobe.

Next year they'll probably crown LeBron once he goes to NYC and turns the Knicks into a contender.

Bgil · Post #1137 » by **Bgil** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:17 am

He's headed to Miami. He should go to OKC though.

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #1138 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:40 am

Lebron has clearly been the best player in the league..cant see no argument otherwise.

Cavs are the 4th best team in the league theyre just 2.5 games behind the Lakers. They can finish 1st in the East again with just a decent above average supporting cast. Thats good enough team success for me to give it to the best player thus far.

Jennings09 · Post #1139 » by **Jennings09** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:07 am

JimMurray wrote:No it isn't. If that's the case, give the MVP to Joe Johnson. What he's doing with the Hawks is more impressive than Lebron's doing with the Cavs.

Hey I've seen some nice posts by you in this thread and I agree right now Kobe is the MVP. What he is doing with the Lakers right now is phenominal, but this is the worst post I've seen.

Jennings09 · Post #1140 » by **Jennings09** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:09 am

Original Baller wrote:Kobe will be MVP

get over it

Last year the media crowned LeBron right about now and never looked back. This year they've crowned Kobe.

Next year they'll probably crown LeBron once he goes to NYC and turns the Knicks into a contender.

Lebron had a hot start, middle and finish. If Kobe's team were to all of a sudden start losing he wouldn't win it (I doubt that would happen though.