2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

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Who do you think are the best two rookies?

Ayton
147
18%
Bagley
12
1%
Bamba
6
1%
Carter
15
2%
Doncic
424
51%
Gilgeous-Alexander
18
2%
Jackson
159
19%
Knox
18
2%
Sexton
6
1%
Young
20
2%
 
Total votes: 825

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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1141 » by King Ken » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:24 am

TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
King Ken wrote:
TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
You left out a few stats:

4.8 TOV, 97 ORtg, 116 DTtg

-5 BPM, -.8 VORP

Undersized, small frame, bad shot selection. No thanks.

Every poster here is capable of thoughtless, glass half empty, posts.

3.4 TOV for a wing, .437 FG%, Pillsbury frame, 4th year pro, Barely beats people off the dribble, Euro Tyreke Evans Jr. No Thanks!

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But honestly, if you watch and breakdown Trae's game of late, you will see a different player.

One that plays to his strengths, plays consistent defense and one that causes havoc all game long and is relentless. He had 8 TO today and was one of our only players with a + rating. He is that critical to our success now that he stopped jacking bad shots. He's as good as any rookie PG I have EVER seen if we are just taking his recent performances into account. I would say the same for Ayton in terms of rookie bigs with 1 or 0 years of college experience. Clearly, not near Shaq, Tim and guys with three to four years of college under their belt but for a 0 to 1 year experience kids, I am wildly impressed with Ayton and Young.


Luka has a 2.5 BPM. Young has a -5 BPM...

Coke has choices like Diet and Zero. They also have flavors like Cherry and Vanilla. :starwars
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1142 » by Ball4life32 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:29 am

TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
King Ken wrote:
TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
You left out a few stats:

4.8 TOV, 97 ORtg, 116 DTtg

-5 BPM, -.8 VORP

Undersized, small frame, bad shot selection. No thanks.

Every poster here is capable of thoughtless, glass half empty, posts.

3.4 TOV for a wing, .437 FG%, Pillsbury frame, 4th year pro, Barely beats people off the dribble, Euro Tyreke Evans Jr. No Thanks!

Image

But honestly, if you watch and breakdown Trae's game of late, you will see a different player.

One that plays to his strengths, plays consistent defense and one that causes havoc all game long and is relentless. He had 8 TO today and was one of our only players with a + rating. He is that critical to our success now that he stopped jacking bad shots. He's as good as any rookie PG I have EVER seen if we are just taking his recent performances into account. I would say the same for Ayton in terms of rookie bigs with 1 or 0 years of college experience. Clearly, not near Shaq, Tim and guys with three to four years of college under their belt but for a 0 to 1 year experience kids, I am wildly impressed with Ayton and Young.


Luka has a 2.5 BPM. Young has a -5 BPM...

Fox had a -4.4 BPM last year. He’s looked awful this year.... Oh wait.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1143 » by TheBonzaiEffect » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:31 am

Atlhawks09 wrote:
TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
King Ken wrote:Every poster here is capable of thoughtless, glass half empty, posts.

3.4 TOV for a wing, .437 FG%, Pillsbury frame, 4th year pro, Barely beats people off the dribble, Euro Tyreke Evans Jr. No Thanks!

Image

But honestly, if you watch and breakdown Trae's game of late, you will see a different player.

One that plays to his strengths, plays consistent defense and one that causes havoc all game long and is relentless. He had 8 TO today and was one of our only players with a + rating. He is that critical to our success now that he stopped jacking bad shots. He's as good as any rookie PG I have EVER seen if we are just taking his recent performances into account. I would say the same for Ayton in terms of rookie bigs with 1 or 0 years of college experience. Clearly, not near Shaq, Tim and guys with three to four years of college under their belt but for a 0 to 1 year experience kids, I am wildly impressed with Ayton and Young.


Luka has a 2.5 BPM. Young has a -5 BPM...

Fox had a -4.4 BPM last year. He’s looked awful this year.... Oh wait.


Feel free to revisit next year.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1144 » by King Ken » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:32 am

Atlhawks09 wrote:Fox had a -4.4 BPM last year. He’s looked awful this year....

Don't even bother, brother. He is a :spammer: . I clearly gave him a detail statement and he quickly responded in a way I know he did not read the post and posted that.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1145 » by advent11 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:33 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Phoenix is better with Ayton on floor by 4 points
Dallas is worse with Doncic on floor by 1 point


That's due to Doncic's fellow starters. When adjusted for:

RPM:
46. Doncic +2.14
196. Ayton -0.63

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Narratives can be misleading as we've seen with twisting of evidence for the likes of Lonzo Ball.


Indeed.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1146 » by Ball4life32 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:46 am

TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
Atlhawks09 wrote:
TheBonzaiEffect wrote:
Luka has a 2.5 BPM. Young has a -5 BPM...

Fox had a -4.4 BPM last year. He’s looked awful this year.... Oh wait.


Feel free to revisit next year.

We’ll see. Trae went though a tough stretch but he’s playing well lately.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1147 » by Pachinko_ » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:57 am

King Ken wrote:Coke has choices like Diet and Zero. They also have flavors like Cherry and Vanilla. :starwars

True
And their sales charts look pretty much like this poll :D
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1148 » by koyotee » Tue Jan 1, 2019 6:30 am

**** besides doncic the whole dallas team is crap.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1149 » by Young gun 6 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 6:41 am

koyotee wrote:**** besides doncic the whole dallas team is crap.


They have a better team than Phoenix, Atlanta, Cleveland, Chicago, New York etc.

Deandre Jordan is 1st in the league in DRPM and equal 10th in DWS and DBPM.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1150 » by Imon » Tue Jan 1, 2019 6:52 am

Are we seriously arguing about the advanced stats of rookies? :noway:
With a few exceptions almost every player who would go on to be great had bad advanced stats.

Young gun 6 wrote:They have a better team than Phoenix, Atlanta, Cleveland, Chicago, New York etc.

Deandre Jordan is 1st in the league in DRPM and equal 10th in DWS and DBPM.


DAJ remains to me as one of the strangest cases of advanced stats defensive numbers (they probably look good because of his large number of rebounds and his high TRB%). If you actually watch the Mavs though he is like a statue on defense.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1151 » by Johnny Firpo » Tue Jan 1, 2019 8:00 am

spanishninja wrote:his age doesn't say anything about the years of pro ball he played too. he simply has an advantage right now.


Age matters, regardless of his pedigree.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1152 » by advent11 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 8:13 am

Imon wrote:Are we seriously arguing about the advanced stats of rookies? :noway:
With a few exceptions almost every player who would go on to be great had bad advanced stats.


I wouldn't say almost every player that went on to be great had bad advanced stats.

Lets look at rookie BPMs for what people consider to be the top players today (sorry if I left anyone off, not intentional):
Lebron: 1.9
Curry: 1.0
Harden: 1.0
AD: 2.3
KD: -1.4
Jokic : 4.5
Lillard: 0.3
Embid: 3.1
Leonard: 4.3
Giannis -1.8
Kyrie: 3.3
Paul George: 0

Almost everyone on the list is above the league average (a good and convenient demarcation imo between "not bad" and "bad" for a rookie). In addition, quite a few have very respectable BPMs rookie or otherwise.

For this advanced stat, I would say the exception is having a bad one.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1153 » by gh123 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 10:11 am

Oh boy, I'm gonna write a lot here, since I've been having that feeling that a lot of people on here don't watch the Mavs. Btw, I'm in a good mood, very calm right now, so everything I'll write I mean it and don't exaggerate or understate anything. I've also been watching tons of games in December coz I've been jobless for over a month. Missed only 7 Mavs games this season.

Barnes. The dude doesn't enjoy it here. He goes to work, doesn't enjoy it one bit, you can just tell it by everything. He's extremely salty that some random white boy is miles better than he's ever been. And that was like that since day 1, so you can't blame Cuban or whatever crap. He shoots 3 well and is a bit above average on D, that's it. Doesn't rebound, has 0 interest in playing with his teammates. Plays his iso like it's 1 on 1 game, hits 3 at a good clip, goes home.

Wes is absolutely horrible. Again, good 3 point shooter this season, completely unplayable besides that. Can't catch a ball, can't pass at all. I legit thought he had like a hand injury or something or was on medication at the start of the season. He just generates so many turnovers it's ridiculous. Can't dribble at all. Most of his possessions are close to turnovers. Chucks in crunch time like there's no 2moro, makes teenage Kobe jealous. Doesn't just chuck when there are like 5 seconds left, just chucks randomly, wildly as soon as he gets a chance. Sometimes looks like he plays defense, but that's coz he tries, but always fails. Sometimes looks like he gets about to get a steal, but something is seriously wrong with his hands, I don't know what it is.

Daj. Shows more interest in the game than Barnes. Part of the team, Barnes isn't just there at all. Doesn't play a lick of defence. Like doesn't even show that he tries or anything. I mean freaking other teams' commentators just go silent or "wow! that was easy" when a player scores over Daj. Serious issues catching the ball. I mean he surprised me with his passing, but he can't catch very simple passes. Reminds me a lot of Olowokandi, fumbles the ball so much. Regressed a lot athletically from his Clippers days. Sometimes doesn't even bother to roll to the basket, just stands there doing nothing. He's here to pad his rebounding numbers hoping some idiot will give him more than an MLE. But doesn't even box out a lot of times, good bigs have a field day on our glass more often than not.

The team was awful last year, it would be even worse this season, Luka drags them by himself. Barea is pretty good this season, I like Kleber a lot, Harris is alright sometimes, that's about it, I really can't say more.

Rc now. Oh boy, I really don't understand why people like him so much. The dude is legit senile. If I were Cuban I'd legit have him checked into a mental institution. I mean, yeah, I get it, people for some reason give him a ton of credit for that 2011 run, but we won inspite of him. We had Casey and Stots, both dudes were very successful right since 2011. Mavs D and O went to crap right the next year. Casey was our defensive assistant, Stotts offensive. That zone by Casey was great, one of the reasons we won. Raptors D improved by like 15 spots in his first season with them. The only good thing rc did was insert Barea in that Heat series and I'm pretty sure it wasn't his idea, coz he's extremely stubborn, doesn't adjust at all, never. It's been exactly same crap since what, like 2008. Fell out multiple times with his Pgs. What's that "free flow offence" crap? Is it a euphimism for "I can't teach offence" ? One of the reasons we won is that Kidd force fed Dirk in crunch. Rc was trying to run some effing Barea\Chandler pnr or something I don't even know, get Stevenson for an open 3 like wtf is wrong with you, you got Dirk super hot, one of the best in clutch in all sports, and you running something completely idiotic jesus christ man. Wtf that Wes post stuff? That's just insane, it always ends in a turnover or very bad shot, like 49 out of 50 times. Why you do that? 3rd season in a row! Why? How do you guys think he's a good coach? Always picks his favourites, always old over the hill vets. I think all fans remember when he stormed out on the pitch swearing at Darren Colison for that 3. Then inserts Mike freaking James who chucks long 3's as soon as he can and rc stands there happy. Developed 0 young players in his 10 years, has 0 vision for young talent. I can write a lot more, but I think you get the idea.

And about the rookies. It's already completely evident that Doncic is well above the rest. Young, Ayton or whatever will be good players, just not the same tier as Luka. The kid is a franchise player already. His ceiling is extremely high. Ayton is nowhere close to Hakeem, will never be. You guys watch several Dallas games you will see what a burden Luka is dragging. And he was getting frustrated at them earlier, but anymore, he's jsut at peace with these toxic scrubs. He'll be gone as soon as his rookie deal expires if we don't get rid of rc, I promise you that. You have rc you have old scrubs playing awful ball.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1154 » by Mr B » Tue Jan 1, 2019 10:57 am

upriser7 wrote:Can any Mavs fans briefly summarize why Mavs suck so badly on road and also why are they so good at home? The difference in their Home vs Away record is staggering


There’s not any one reason. Part of it is they haven’t played together very long. Their chemistry is still lacking. Their team is also primarily being run by a 19 year old. Luka has been great , especially for a 19 but the fact is he does still make some mistakes. He turns the ball over too much right now. The whole team’s ft% is not great on the road either.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1155 » by Young gun 6 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 11:05 am

gh123 wrote:Oh boy, I'm gonna write a lot here, since I've been having that feeling that a lot of people on here don't watch the Mavs. Btw, I'm in a good mood, very calm right now, so everything I'll write I mean it and don't exaggerate or understate anything. I've also been watching tons of games in December coz I've been jobless for over a month. Missed only 7 Mavs games this season.

Barnes. The dude doesn't enjoy it here. He goes to work, doesn't enjoy it one bit, you can just tell it by everything. He's extremely salty that some random white boy is miles better than he's ever been. And that was like that since day 1, so you can't blame Cuban or whatever crap. He shoots 3 well and is a bit above average on D, that's it. Doesn't rebound, has 0 interest in playing with his teammates. Plays his iso like it's 1 on 1 game, hits 3 at a good clip, goes home.

Wes is absolutely horrible. Again, good 3 point shooter this season, completely unplayable besides that. Can't catch a ball, can't pass at all. I legit thought he had like a hand injury or something or was on medication at the start of the season. He just generates so many turnovers it's ridiculous. Can't dribble at all. Most of his possessions are close to turnovers. Chucks in crunch time like there's no 2moro, makes teenage Kobe jealous. Doesn't just chuck when there are like 5 seconds left, just chucks randomly, wildly as soon as he gets a chance. Sometimes looks like he plays defense, but that's coz he tries, but always fails. Sometimes looks like he gets about to get a steal, but something is seriously wrong with his hands, I don't know what it is.

Daj. Shows more interest in the game than Barnes. Part of the team, Barnes isn't just there at all. Doesn't play a lick of defence. Like doesn't even show that he tries or anything. I mean freaking other teams' commentators just go silent or "wow! that was easy" when a player scores over Daj. Serious issues catching the ball. I mean he surprised me with his passing, but he can't catch very simple passes. Reminds me a lot of Olowokandi, fumbles the ball so much. Regressed a lot athletically from his Clippers days. Sometimes doesn't even bother to roll to the basket, just stands there doing nothing. He's here to pad his rebounding numbers hoping some idiot will give him more than an MLE. But doesn't even box out a lot of times, good bigs have a field day on our glass more often than not.

The team was awful last year, it would be even worse this season, Luka drags them by himself. Barea is pretty good this season, I like Kleber a lot, Harris is alright sometimes, that's about it, I really can't say more.

Rc now. Oh boy, I really don't understand why people like him so much. The dude is legit senile. If I were Cuban I'd legit have him checked into a mental institution. I mean, yeah, I get it, people for some reason give him a ton of credit for that 2011 run, but we won inspite of him. We had Casey and Stots, both dudes were very successful right since 2011. Mavs D and O went to crap right the next year. Casey was our defensive assistant, Stotts offensive. That zone by Casey was great, one of the reasons we won. Raptors D improved by like 15 spots in his first season with them. The only good thing rc did was insert Barea in that Heat series and I'm pretty sure it wasn't his idea, coz he's extremely stubborn, doesn't adjust at all, never. It's been exactly same crap since what, like 2008. Fell out multiple times with his Pgs. What's that "free flow offence" crap? Is it a euphimism for "I can't teach offence" ? One of the reasons we won is that Kidd force fed Dirk in crunch. Rc was trying to run some effing Barea\Chandler pnr or something I don't even know, get Stevenson for an open 3 like wtf is wrong with you, you got Dirk super hot, one of the best in clutch in all sports, and you running something completely idiotic jesus christ man. Wtf that Wes post stuff? That's just insane, it always ends in a turnover or very bad shot, like 49 out of 50 times. Why you do that? 3rd season in a row! Why? How do you guys think he's a good coach? Always picks his favourites, always old over the hill vets. I think all fans remember when he stormed out on the pitch swearing at Darren Colison for that 3. Then inserts Mike freaking James who chucks long 3's as soon as he can and rc stands there happy. Developed 0 young players in his 10 years, has 0 vision for young talent. I can write a lot more, but I think you get the idea.

And about the rookies. It's already completely evident that Doncic is well above the rest. Young, Ayton or whatever will be good players, just not the same tier as Luka. The kid is a franchise player already. His ceiling is extremely high. Ayton is nowhere close to Hakeem, will never be. You guys watch several Dallas games you will see what a burden Luka is dragging. And he was getting frustrated at them earlier, but anymore, he's jsut at peace with these toxic scrubs. He'll be gone as soon as his rookie deal expires if we don't get rid of rc, I promise you that. You have rc you have old scrubs playing awful ball.


It’s insecure comments like these that instantly make people disregard a whole comment/opinion..
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1156 » by gh123 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 11:08 am

Young gun 6 wrote:
gh123 wrote:Oh boy, I'm gonna write a lot here, since I've been having that feeling that a lot of people on here don't watch the Mavs. Btw, I'm in a good mood, very calm right now, so everything I'll write I mean it and don't exaggerate or understate anything. I've also been watching tons of games in December coz I've been jobless for over a month. Missed only 7 Mavs games this season.

Barnes. The dude doesn't enjoy it here. He goes to work, doesn't enjoy it one bit, you can just tell it by everything. He's extremely salty that some random white boy is miles better than he's ever been. And that was like that since day 1, so you can't blame Cuban or whatever crap. He shoots 3 well and is a bit above average on D, that's it. Doesn't rebound, has 0 interest in playing with his teammates. Plays his iso like it's 1 on 1 game, hits 3 at a good clip, goes home.

Wes is absolutely horrible. Again, good 3 point shooter this season, completely unplayable besides that. Can't catch a ball, can't pass at all. I legit thought he had like a hand injury or something or was on medication at the start of the season. He just generates so many turnovers it's ridiculous. Can't dribble at all. Most of his possessions are close to turnovers. Chucks in crunch time like there's no 2moro, makes teenage Kobe jealous. Doesn't just chuck when there are like 5 seconds left, just chucks randomly, wildly as soon as he gets a chance. Sometimes looks like he plays defense, but that's coz he tries, but always fails. Sometimes looks like he gets about to get a steal, but something is seriously wrong with his hands, I don't know what it is.

Daj. Shows more interest in the game than Barnes. Part of the team, Barnes isn't just there at all. Doesn't play a lick of defence. Like doesn't even show that he tries or anything. I mean freaking other teams' commentators just go silent or "wow! that was easy" when a player scores over Daj. Serious issues catching the ball. I mean he surprised me with his passing, but he can't catch very simple passes. Reminds me a lot of Olowokandi, fumbles the ball so much. Regressed a lot athletically from his Clippers days. Sometimes doesn't even bother to roll to the basket, just stands there doing nothing. He's here to pad his rebounding numbers hoping some idiot will give him more than an MLE. But doesn't even box out a lot of times, good bigs have a field day on our glass more often than not.

The team was awful last year, it would be even worse this season, Luka drags them by himself. Barea is pretty good this season, I like Kleber a lot, Harris is alright sometimes, that's about it, I really can't say more.

Rc now. Oh boy, I really don't understand why people like him so much. The dude is legit senile. If I were Cuban I'd legit have him checked into a mental institution. I mean, yeah, I get it, people for some reason give him a ton of credit for that 2011 run, but we won inspite of him. We had Casey and Stots, both dudes were very successful right since 2011. Mavs D and O went to crap right the next year. Casey was our defensive assistant, Stotts offensive. That zone by Casey was great, one of the reasons we won. Raptors D improved by like 15 spots in his first season with them. The only good thing rc did was insert Barea in that Heat series and I'm pretty sure it wasn't his idea, coz he's extremely stubborn, doesn't adjust at all, never. It's been exactly same crap since what, like 2008. Fell out multiple times with his Pgs. What's that "free flow offence" crap? Is it a euphimism for "I can't teach offence" ? One of the reasons we won is that Kidd force fed Dirk in crunch. Rc was trying to run some effing Barea\Chandler pnr or something I don't even know, get Stevenson for an open 3 like wtf is wrong with you, you got Dirk super hot, one of the best in clutch in all sports, and you running something completely idiotic jesus christ man. Wtf that Wes post stuff? That's just insane, it always ends in a turnover or very bad shot, like 49 out of 50 times. Why you do that? 3rd season in a row! Why? How do you guys think he's a good coach? Always picks his favourites, always old over the hill vets. I think all fans remember when he stormed out on the pitch swearing at Darren Colison for that 3. Then inserts Mike freaking James who chucks long 3's as soon as he can and rc stands there happy. Developed 0 young players in his 10 years, has 0 vision for young talent. I can write a lot more, but I think you get the idea.

And about the rookies. It's already completely evident that Doncic is well above the rest. Young, Ayton or whatever will be good players, just not the same tier as Luka. The kid is a franchise player already. His ceiling is extremely high. Ayton is nowhere close to Hakeem, will never be. You guys watch several Dallas games you will see what a burden Luka is dragging. And he was getting frustrated at them earlier, but anymore, he's jsut at peace with these toxic scrubs. He'll be gone as soon as his rookie deal expires if we don't get rid of rc, I promise you that. You have rc you have old scrubs playing awful ball.


It’s insecure comments like these that instantly make people disregard a whole comment/opinion..


There's nothing insecure about that, it's stating a fact. You may not like, but it doesn's change it. Can type up lots of numbers, but the eye test just makes it too obvious.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1157 » by Young gun 6 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 11:16 am

gh123 wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
gh123 wrote:Oh boy, I'm gonna write a lot here, since I've been having that feeling that a lot of people on here don't watch the Mavs. Btw, I'm in a good mood, very calm right now, so everything I'll write I mean it and don't exaggerate or understate anything. I've also been watching tons of games in December coz I've been jobless for over a month. Missed only 7 Mavs games this season.

Barnes. The dude doesn't enjoy it here. He goes to work, doesn't enjoy it one bit, you can just tell it by everything. He's extremely salty that some random white boy is miles better than he's ever been. And that was like that since day 1, so you can't blame Cuban or whatever crap. He shoots 3 well and is a bit above average on D, that's it. Doesn't rebound, has 0 interest in playing with his teammates. Plays his iso like it's 1 on 1 game, hits 3 at a good clip, goes home.

Wes is absolutely horrible. Again, good 3 point shooter this season, completely unplayable besides that. Can't catch a ball, can't pass at all. I legit thought he had like a hand injury or something or was on medication at the start of the season. He just generates so many turnovers it's ridiculous. Can't dribble at all. Most of his possessions are close to turnovers. Chucks in crunch time like there's no 2moro, makes teenage Kobe jealous. Doesn't just chuck when there are like 5 seconds left, just chucks randomly, wildly as soon as he gets a chance. Sometimes looks like he plays defense, but that's coz he tries, but always fails. Sometimes looks like he gets about to get a steal, but something is seriously wrong with his hands, I don't know what it is.

Daj. Shows more interest in the game than Barnes. Part of the team, Barnes isn't just there at all. Doesn't play a lick of defence. Like doesn't even show that he tries or anything. I mean freaking other teams' commentators just go silent or "wow! that was easy" when a player scores over Daj. Serious issues catching the ball. I mean he surprised me with his passing, but he can't catch very simple passes. Reminds me a lot of Olowokandi, fumbles the ball so much. Regressed a lot athletically from his Clippers days. Sometimes doesn't even bother to roll to the basket, just stands there doing nothing. He's here to pad his rebounding numbers hoping some idiot will give him more than an MLE. But doesn't even box out a lot of times, good bigs have a field day on our glass more often than not.

The team was awful last year, it would be even worse this season, Luka drags them by himself. Barea is pretty good this season, I like Kleber a lot, Harris is alright sometimes, that's about it, I really can't say more.

Rc now. Oh boy, I really don't understand why people like him so much. The dude is legit senile. If I were Cuban I'd legit have him checked into a mental institution. I mean, yeah, I get it, people for some reason give him a ton of credit for that 2011 run, but we won inspite of him. We had Casey and Stots, both dudes were very successful right since 2011. Mavs D and O went to crap right the next year. Casey was our defensive assistant, Stotts offensive. That zone by Casey was great, one of the reasons we won. Raptors D improved by like 15 spots in his first season with them. The only good thing rc did was insert Barea in that Heat series and I'm pretty sure it wasn't his idea, coz he's extremely stubborn, doesn't adjust at all, never. It's been exactly same crap since what, like 2008. Fell out multiple times with his Pgs. What's that "free flow offence" crap? Is it a euphimism for "I can't teach offence" ? One of the reasons we won is that Kidd force fed Dirk in crunch. Rc was trying to run some effing Barea\Chandler pnr or something I don't even know, get Stevenson for an open 3 like wtf is wrong with you, you got Dirk super hot, one of the best in clutch in all sports, and you running something completely idiotic jesus christ man. Wtf that Wes post stuff? That's just insane, it always ends in a turnover or very bad shot, like 49 out of 50 times. Why you do that? 3rd season in a row! Why? How do you guys think he's a good coach? Always picks his favourites, always old over the hill vets. I think all fans remember when he stormed out on the pitch swearing at Darren Colison for that 3. Then inserts Mike freaking James who chucks long 3's as soon as he can and rc stands there happy. Developed 0 young players in his 10 years, has 0 vision for young talent. I can write a lot more, but I think you get the idea.

And about the rookies. It's already completely evident that Doncic is well above the rest. Young, Ayton or whatever will be good players, just not the same tier as Luka. The kid is a franchise player already. His ceiling is extremely high. Ayton is nowhere close to Hakeem, will never be. You guys watch several Dallas games you will see what a burden Luka is dragging. And he was getting frustrated at them earlier, but anymore, he's jsut at peace with these toxic scrubs. He'll be gone as soon as his rookie deal expires if we don't get rid of rc, I promise you that. You have rc you have old scrubs playing awful ball.


It’s insecure comments like these that instantly make people disregard a whole comment/opinion..


There's nothing insecure about that, it's stating a fact. You may not like, but it doesn's change it. Can type up lots of numbers, but the eye test just makes it too obvious.


Sign 2 that a poster is insecure: Post a completely subjective opinion as a ‘fact’.

Keep em coming
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1158 » by gh123 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 11:18 am

Young gun 6 wrote:
gh123 wrote:
Young gun 6 wrote:
It’s insecure comments like these that instantly make people disregard a whole comment/opinion..


There's nothing insecure about that, it's stating a fact. You may not like, but it doesn's change it. Can type up lots of numbers, but the eye test just makes it too obvious.


Sign 2 that a poster is insecure: Post a completely subjective opinion as a ‘fact’.

Keep em coming


I don't understand what you mean by insecure. Like I'm scared that Ayton\Young\JJJ will be better players or win roy or what?
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1159 » by Archx » Tue Jan 1, 2019 12:07 pm

Young gun 6 wrote:
koyotee wrote:**** besides doncic the whole dallas team is crap.


They have a better team than Phoenix, Atlanta, Cleveland, Chicago, New York etc.

Deandre Jordan is 1st in the league in DRPM and equal 10th in DWS and DBPM.


Yeah and a coach who has no clue how to exploit opponents weaknesses or adapt to opposing teams rotations.
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Re: 2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2) 

Post#1160 » by Ascrilas » Tue Jan 1, 2019 12:33 pm

King Ken wrote:
Atlhawks09 wrote:Fox had a -4.4 BPM last year. He’s looked awful this year....

Don't even bother, brother. He is a :spammer: . I clearly gave him a detail statement and he quickly responded in a way I know he did not read the post and posted that.


I mean, you're pretty biased. The points you make are valid, but you choose to neglect all aspects which don't fit your claim and then come up with ridiculously exaggerated conclusions. So you shouldn't wonder if people call you out.

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