MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[nzahir]

LeBron vs. Giannis vs. Luka. OK then, who are Giannis' and Luka's equivalents to AD? And please better come up with something that wont make everyone laugh.

If theres noone who is in the same tier as AD on those teams, then its pretty clear how LeBron cant be considered as qualified as they are, right?

So besides the number 2 option of Middleton (who is still an all star guy last yr, dont forget) vs AD.

Lets compare the rest shall we?

Bledsoe, Brook Lopez, Hill, Pat C, Donte, Wes Matthews, Robin Lopez, Korver, Sterling Brown, Illyasova, and DJ Wilson
vs
Green, Dwight, Kuzma, Mcgee, KCP, Rondo, Avery, Caruso, Cook, Daniels, and Dudley.

Bucks legit KILL the lakers there. Kuzma is the teams THIRD leading scorer at under 12 ppg. Nobody else is in double figures.

Pretty disingenuous of you to not look at the rest of the team when its a team game, getting real annoying

Mavs aren't great, but mavs won't win enough games. And KP is a damn good player. Better shooter than AD and a very good rim protector.

But mavs are constructed better and have tons of shooting.

Hold on, so Bron basically forcing the Lakers to sell the entire team to get AD there is somehow someone else's fault? And your claim that this version of KP or Middleton are comparable in value to AD is outright ridiculous. But i saw it coming. Bron stan "alternative truth", i guess.

Anyway if you swapped either for LeBron, they'd win with the lakers, i have no doubt. But to each their own.

Giannis with limited spacing would not win anything lmfao. Stop it

So its Lebron's fault that Mitch watsed cap space on Deng and then they had to waive him and hurt their cap space?
Or the part they drafted Lonzo over Tatum?
Or the part where they moved Zubac for Muscula?
Or the part where they waited for Kawhi, even though they had 2 stars already and should have just signed some depth

Basketball isn't a 2 person game.

So when Lebron sits, the team goes down the drain and has a negative plus minus. AD w/o Lebron still has a negative plus minus UNLIKE the bucks. You know why? Because the team has a ton of holes.

Bucks dont have these holes. Do the bucks even have any holes when I think about it?

LAL is also much better off with AD than the youth core, even though Pelinka overpaid a bit. Also not on Bron

[lobosloboslobos]

It could be SIakim...

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[TheBonzaiEffect]

MVP is a full season award. Luka is shown to have inconsistent offense(3pt shooting and FT shooting respectively). I'd trust Harden and his GOAT usage and Giannis' superior defense over him.

Inconsistent offense? Ah, nm, saw your user name...

[GeorgeMarcus]

Some of the names up there, and no Embiid... For shame

I see it was based on the MVP ladder posted the other day, so no hard feelings Prez

[Osirus89]

Uh oh.
You think its between Harden and Luka?
Get ready for the Lakers fans and Bucks fans.

Ihave been skeptical of Luka's viability as an MVP candidate up to this point, but I'll admit I'm almost running out of excuses. That dude is a maniac. Wouldn't put him over Giannis, but I could see him finishing second or third.

[mademan]

Not a chance.

Rose wasn't a top-5 player and was the weakest MVP candidate in 40 years.

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premise is the same. Lebron would be stealing the award from someone who's producing worlds better than him based on 1 undefinable metric (narrative)

Narrative and Impact

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Lebron james +/- of +15.2
Pascal Siakam +/- of +19

Siakam over Lebron for MVP cause of 'impact'.

[GeorgeMarcus]

OP Didn’t include Giannis. Pretty obvious he only wanted to bait people. No one would exclude Giannis.

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MVP goes to player who does the most with the least. Bucks are a wonderful well rounded team.

The Mavs bench has been dominant this year, so I'm not sure that argument will fly. Luka has been great, but Giannis' 2-way impact puts him comfortably in the MVP driver seat.

[Ayt]

OP Didn’t include Giannis. Pretty obvious he only wanted to bait people. No one would exclude Giannis.

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MVP goes to player who does the most with the least. Bucks are a wonderful well rounded team.

Then why did he win last year?

[LoneyROY]

Definitely one of the most intriguing MVP races in recent memory.

3 guys are carrying their teams and having otherworldly type seasons. And the other is one of the greatest basketball players ever to play having a renaissance season while leading the team with the top record in the conference.

[RB34]

Some of the names up there, and no Embiid... For shame

I see it was based on the MVP ladder posted the other day, so no hard feelings Prez

I’m a fan of his but dude put up 0 points the other day..

[Colbinii]

premise is the same. Lebron would be stealing the award from someone who's producing worlds better than him based on 1 undefinable metric (narrative)

Narrative and Impact

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Lebron james +/- of +15.2
Pascal Siakam +/- of +19

Siakam over Lebron for MVP cause of 'impact'.

Disqualified because his PER is under 20.

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[mademan]

Narrative and Impact

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Lebron james +/- of +15.2
Pascal Siakam +/- of +19

Siakam over Lebron for MVP cause of 'impact'.

Disqualified because his PER is under 20.

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lol. You really got jump through hoops to put Lebron over Giannis

[GeorgeMarcus]

Some of the names up there, and no Embiid... For shame

I see it was based on the MVP ladder posted the other day, so no hard feelings Prez

I’m a fan of his but dude put up 0 points the other day..

Does that negate everything else he’s done? Averaging 23 and 12 as the best defender in the league

It was a really bad game, but a really big outlier. His next lowest point total was 14 in 23 min against the Cavs

[RB34]

Some of the names up there, and no Embiid... For shame

I see it was based on the MVP ladder posted the other day, so no hard feelings Prez

I’m a fan of his but dude put up 0 points the other day..

Does that negate everything else he’s done? Averaging 23 and 12 as the best defender in the league

It was a really bad game, but a really big outlier. His next lowest point total was 14 in 23 min against the Cavs

No, it doesn’t negate everything else he’s done but the competition is so fierce I think it will hurt his chances massively.

[GeorgeMarcus]

I’m a fan of his but dude put up 0 points the other day..

Does that negate everything else he’s done? Averaging 23 and 12 as the best defender in the league

It was a really bad game, but a really big outlier. His next lowest point total was 14 in 23 min against the Cavs

No, it doesn’t negate everything else he’s done but the competition is so fierce I think it will hurt his chances massively.

It certainly didn’t help, but it’s still just 1 game. Ultimately this race is Giannis’ to lose though.

[NY 567]

After tonight, I got:

Giannis
Luka
LeBron
Harden

[Blaze4G]

Look at the Lakers roster and tell me how Lebron isnt right up there with Giannis, if not leading.

3rd leading scorer (kuzma) is averaging UNDER 12ppg

Bucks have 4 guys in double figures. 3rd scorer, Bledsoe, averages 16 ppg.

Who can lakers REALLY trust come playoff time?

Lebron, AD, Green for sure. Then Avery and Dwight should count.

Not counting on Mcgee, Kuzma, Rondo, and KCP. I think Caruso is a maybe, leaning on yes, but need to see more. So thats 5-6 guys.

2-3 guys short rn. Need to flip Kuzma for 1 of those guys. Make 1 more move and or hope for nice buyout (s)

Lmao I cant believe this is a serious post. AD is averaging 26! Add AD and Kuzma points together and it's more than Bledsoe and Middleton.

I cant believe someone with a straight face is comparing Middleton and AD on the same level.

Who can you trust come playoff time on the bucks!? we clearly saw you couldn't trust anyone apart from giannis... maybe middleton. Bledsoe has been trash in the playoffs. As well as any other player on their roster. Lopez is extremely streaky.

So 3 players at best and lakers have 5-6 like you mentioned.

[Coach Carter]

Hopefully the media cools on bron. It's a good story but he doesn't have a stronger case than giannis, luka, dare i say harden.

[Blaze4G]

Look at the Lakers roster and tell me how Lebron isnt right up there with Giannis, if not leading.

3rd leading scorer (kuzma) is averaging UNDER 12ppg

Bucks have 4 guys in double figures. 3rd scorer, Bledsoe, averages 16 ppg.

Who can lakers REALLY trust come playoff time?

Lebron, AD, Green for sure. Then Avery and Dwight should count.

Not counting on Mcgee, Kuzma, Rondo, and KCP. I think Caruso is a maybe, leaning on yes, but need to see more. So thats 5-6 guys.

2-3 guys short rn. Need to flip Kuzma for 1 of those guys. Make 1 more move and or hope for nice buyout (s)

LeBron vs. Giannis vs. Luka. OK then, who are Giannis' and Luka's equivalents to AD? And please better come up with something that wont make everyone laugh.

If theres noone who is in the same tier as AD on those teams, then its pretty clear how LeBron cant be considered as qualified as they are, right?

So besides the number 2 option of Middleton (who is still an all star guy last yr, dont forget) vs AD.

Lets compare the rest shall we?

Bledsoe, Brook Lopez, Hill, Pat C, Donte, Wes Matthews, Robin Lopez, Korver, Sterling Brown, Illyasova, and DJ Wilson
vs
Green, Dwight, Kuzma, Mcgee, KCP, Rondo, Avery, Caruso, Cook, Daniels, and Dudley.

Bucks legit KILL the lakers there. Kuzma is the teams THIRD leading scorer at under 12 ppg. Nobody else is in double figures.

Pretty disingenuous of you to not look at the rest of the team when its a team game, getting real annoying

Mavs aren't great, but mavs won't win enough games. And KP is a damn good player. Better shooter than AD and a very good rim protector.

But mavs are constructed better and have tons of shooting.

1. So last season you said Curry plays with KD so that automatically rules him out of winning MVP.

2. Last year you said Lebron has better numbers than Giannis when you made that post so Lebron should be leading in mvp. Now Giannis has better numbers so far this season.

3. Last year you said Lebron didnt have anyone as good as middleton which makes him a stronger mvp candidate. However, now Lebron has an even better player in AD.

So ALL 3 points you used to defend lebron on why he should be leading mvp when you made the post below can now be used against him and used to defend Giannis or Luka.

Giannis
1. Lebron plays with AD so that rules him out
2. Giannis have better numbers than lebron.
3. Giannis doesnt have anyone as good as AD.

Luka

1. Lebron plays with AD so that rules him out
2. Luka have better numbers than lebron.
3. Luka doesnt have anyone as good as AD.

So basically you're a Lebron Stan that will flip flop on yout points to convince people why Lebron should be MVP.

I would love to see you play mental gymnastics to try and convince me why I'm wrong and why Lebron should be leading in the mvp race.

This convo atm is ONLY between Giannis and Lebron

Lebron has the better numbers and doesn't have anyone as good as Middleton. Also plays in the West. Another bonus for Lebron is that he may have the LA media backing him this time. Its maybe his last real shot at the mvp and he hasn't won since 2013 (should have at least gotten one in this span). Taking a top 5 worst team to a top 4 seed should do it. Team he dragged to the finals is now in contention for the number 1 overall pick

Kawhi's numbers arent as impressive and they are 7-1 w/o him. He has also missed decent time with all the b2b and will miss about 10-15 games when the season is over. Too many games when its this close

Curry plays with KD, so he can't really be the mvp. Also has missed some time.

[nzahir]

LeBron vs. Giannis vs. Luka. OK then, who are Giannis' and Luka's equivalents to AD? And please better come up with something that wont make everyone laugh.

If theres noone who is in the same tier as AD on those teams, then its pretty clear how LeBron cant be considered as qualified as they are, right?

So besides the number 2 option of Middleton (who is still an all star guy last yr, dont forget) vs AD.

Lets compare the rest shall we?

Bledsoe, Brook Lopez, Hill, Pat C, Donte, Wes Matthews, Robin Lopez, Korver, Sterling Brown, Illyasova, and DJ Wilson
vs
Green, Dwight, Kuzma, Mcgee, KCP, Rondo, Avery, Caruso, Cook, Daniels, and Dudley.

Bucks legit KILL the lakers there. Kuzma is the teams THIRD leading scorer at under 12 ppg. Nobody else is in double figures.

Pretty disingenuous of you to not look at the rest of the team when its a team game, getting real annoying

Mavs aren't great, but mavs won't win enough games. And KP is a damn good player. Better shooter than AD and a very good rim protector.

But mavs are constructed better and have tons of shooting.

1. So last season you said Curry plays with KD so that automatically rules him out of winning MVP.

2. Last year you said Lebron has better numbers than Giannis when you made that post so Lebron should be leading in mvp. Now Giannis has better numbers so far this season.

3. Last year you said Lebron didnt have anyone as good as middleton which makes him a stronger mvp candidate. However, now Lebron has an even better player in AD.

So ALL 3 points you used to defend lebron on why he should be leading mvp when you made the post below can now be used against him and used to defend Giannis or Luka.

Giannis
1. Lebron plays with AD so that rules him out
2. Giannis have better numbers than lebron.
3. Giannis doesnt have anyone as good as AD.

Luka

1. Lebron plays with AD so that rules him out
2. Luka have better numbers than lebron.
3. Luka doesnt have anyone as good as AD.

So basically you're a Lebron Stan that will flip flop on yout points to convince people why Lebron should be MVP.

I would love to see you play mental gymnastics to try and convince me why I'm wrong and why Lebron should be leading in the mvp race.

This convo atm is ONLY between Giannis and Lebron

Lebron has the better numbers and doesn't have anyone as good as Middleton. Also plays in the West. Another bonus for Lebron is that he may have the LA media backing him this time. Its maybe his last real shot at the mvp and he hasn't won since 2013 (should have at least gotten one in this span). Taking a top 5 worst team to a top 4 seed should do it. Team he dragged to the finals is now in contention for the number 1 overall pick

Kawhi's numbers arent as impressive and they are 7-1 w/o him. He has also missed decent time with all the b2b and will miss about 10-15 games when the season is over. Too many games when its this close

Curry plays with KD, so he can't really be the mvp. Also has missed some time.

So while Lebron has 1 great player besides him, the rest of his team is much worse.

You continue to ignore that

You have continued to ignore that AD is a NEGATIVE when lebron is off the floor. Why is that? If the team isn't as bad as you say it is or is AD not as good? Which 1

Lebrons net rating is higher than Giannis'

Luka doesn't play good defense. His team will also not have enough wins (predicting), but he is in the convo.

Kristaps has gotten underrated just b/c he started off not so great. He isn't the post guy AD is, but a better shooter. Elite rim protector. Not as good as AD on defense, but he can be an all nba defense guy.