RGM GOAT Debate Thread

[LaLover11]

Timberwolves didn't beat the Back to Back Champion KB/Gasol/Phil Lakers, Big 3 Durant, Harden, Westbrook Thunder in the Western Conference lol

Mavs we're way better and I mean way better than the Gobert Timberwolves

Again the Heat was a super team. Last year Nuggets were not even close in comparison. The Heat were over whelming favourites to win. Prime Wade Prime Lebron prime Bosh

Not 1 not 2 not 3…

Here we go again with low IQ posts because people want their takes to be true so badly…

Learn what overwhelming favorites means.

From D Wades own mouth:

Read on Twitter

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[Iwasawitness]

Again the Heat was a super team. Last year Nuggets were not even close in comparison. The Heat were over whelming favourites to win. Prime Wade Prime Lebron prime Bosh

Not 1 not 2 not 3…

Here we go again with low IQ posts because people want their takes to be true so badly…

Learn what overwhelming favorites means.

From D Wades own mouth:

Read on Twitter

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Read on Twitter

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You aren't any better. Trying to imply Wade was hobbled in 2011 is peak comedy.

[LaLover11]

Here we go again with low IQ posts because people want their takes to be true so badly…

Learn what overwhelming favorites means.

From D Wades own mouth:

Read on Twitter

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Read on Twitter

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You aren't any better. Trying to imply Wade was hobbled in 2011 is peak comedy.

2011 Wade was on pain medication and playing with bad knees and shoulder issues.

He also screwed that whole Finals series because in his own words " he wanted to recreate the MJ/Pippen Duo"

There's interviews him saying he would like to make LeBron become a bigger Pippen and he himself can take the #1 MJ role being the scoring guard.

2011 Finals = Lose
Wade: PPG 26.5 FGA 18 #1 Option
LeBron: PPG 17.5 FGA 15 #2 Option


2012 Finals= Championship

Wade: PPG 22 FGA 18.4 #2 Option
LeBron: PPG 28.6 FGA 21.6 #1 Option

Clearly what I'm saying is completely facts and it proves that Wade tried to be in the driver's seat in the 2011 Finals and ruined the whole game plan.

Next season Wade handed LeBron the keys to the Heat Franchise and let him be the #1 option and they went Back to Back Champions.

[AleksandarN]

Timberwolves didn't beat the Back to Back Champion KB/Gasol/Phil Lakers, Big 3 Durant, Harden, Westbrook Thunder in the Western Conference lol

Mavs we're way better and I mean way better than the Gobert Timberwolves

Again the Heat was a super team. Last year Nuggets were not even close in comparison. The Heat were over whelming favourites to win. Prime Wade Prime Lebron prime Bosh

Not 1 not 2 not 3…

Here we go again with low IQ posts because people want their takes to be true so badly…

Learn what overwhelming favorites means.

The 2011 Heat were better than last year’s Nuggets. How is that low IQ posts? How was I wrong in saying they were overwhelming favorites?

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/31/2198658/nba-finals-2011-odds-miami-heat-dallas-mavericks

[bledredwine]

Again the Heat was a super team. Last year Nuggets were not even close in comparison. The Heat were over whelming favourites to win. Prime Wade Prime Lebron prime Bosh

Not 1 not 2 not 3…

Here we go again with low IQ posts because people want their takes to be true so badly…

Learn what overwhelming favorites means.

From D Wades own mouth:

Read on Twitter

?t=VSaq3YLGd5qB_lM1Uq1PlQ&s=19

Read on Twitter

?t=__oFWPI6MsnzgTaGUwYcDw&s=19

Wade just finished 5th in MVP voting the prior season with 27, 7 and 5.

Lebron took his point/slashing duties and he still was averaging 26, 6 and 5, finishing 7th in MVP voting with Lebron
on his team and Bosh alongside

Wade's winshares? .218 to Lebron's .244. And then he way outplayed Lebron in the finals that year.

Please stop making things up just to support whatever you want to exist. Wade was an amazing player, even better than Rose in 2011.

[Iwasawitness]

Again the Heat was a super team. Last year Nuggets were not even close in comparison. The Heat were over whelming favourites to win. Prime Wade Prime Lebron prime Bosh

Not 1 not 2 not 3…

Here we go again with low IQ posts because people want their takes to be true so badly…

Learn what overwhelming favorites means.

The 2011 Heat were better than last year’s Nuggets. How is that low IQ posts? How was I wrong in saying they were overwhelming favorites?

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/31/2198658/nba-finals-2011-odds-miami-heat-dallas-mavericks

In what world is -180 overwhelming favorites? How long have you been watching sports for that you think this is overwhelming?

[AleksandarN]

Here we go again with low IQ posts because people want their takes to be true so badly…

Learn what overwhelming favorites means.

The 2011 Heat were better than last year’s Nuggets. How is that low IQ posts? How was I wrong in saying they were overwhelming favorites?

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/31/2198658/nba-finals-2011-odds-miami-heat-dallas-mavericks

In what world is -180 overwhelming favorites? How long have you been watching sports for that you think this is overwhelming?

At almost to 2 to 1. I would say heavy favourites. I don’t bet. Not a gambler myself but I think that is a fair sized margin

[Iwasawitness]

The 2011 Heat were better than last year’s Nuggets. How is that low IQ posts? How was I wrong in saying they were overwhelming favorites?

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/31/2198658/nba-finals-2011-odds-miami-heat-dallas-mavericks

In what world is -180 overwhelming favorites? How long have you been watching sports for that you think this is overwhelming?

At almost to 2 to 1. I would say heavy favourites. I don’t bet. Not a gambler myself but I think that is a fair sized margin

Okay, I’m going to give you a slight pass here. You don’t gamble, so you don’t understand the terminology and why it’s important.

Overwhelming and heavy favorites are two different things in the world of gambling. They do matter, they are something gamblers factor in when deciding how much to put in. You’re trying to equate the two but that’s not how this works. And that makes sense because you aren’t familiar with it.

Heavy? Yes. But that isn’t originally what you said. You said overwhelming.

So to give you an example, the Lakers in 2004 were overwhelming favorites against Detroit. To call them heavy would have been putting it mildly. That make sense?

[TheNG]

In what world is -180 overwhelming favorites? How long have you been watching sports for that you think this is overwhelming?

At almost to 2 to 1. I would say heavy favourites. I don’t bet. Not a gambler myself but I think that is a fair sized margin

Okay, I’m going to give you a slight pass here. You don’t gamble, so you don’t understand the terminology and why it’s important.

Overwhelming and heavy favorites are two different things in the world of gambling. They do matter, they are something gamblers factor in when deciding how much to put in. You’re trying to equate the two but that’s not how this works. And that makes sense because you aren’t familiar with it.

Heavy? Yes. But that isn’t originally what you said. You said overwhelming.

So to give you an example, the Lakers in 2004 were overwhelming favorites against Detroit. To call them heavy would have been putting it mildly. That make sense?

Im 2004, the preseason odds here gave the Lakers +140 while the Pistons had +1500: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2004_preseason_odds.html
In 2011, the preseason odds here gave the Heat +175 while the Mavs had +2000: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html
Seems like similar upsets to me.

[Iwasawitness]

At almost to 2 to 1. I would say heavy favourites. I don’t bet. Not a gambler myself but I think that is a fair sized margin

Okay, I’m going to give you a slight pass here. You don’t gamble, so you don’t understand the terminology and why it’s important.

Overwhelming and heavy favorites are two different things in the world of gambling. They do matter, they are something gamblers factor in when deciding how much to put in. You’re trying to equate the two but that’s not how this works. And that makes sense because you aren’t familiar with it.

Heavy? Yes. But that isn’t originally what you said. You said overwhelming.

So to give you an example, the Lakers in 2004 were overwhelming favorites against Detroit. To call them heavy would have been putting it mildly. That make sense?

Im 2004, the preseason odds here gave the Lakers +140 while the Pistons had +1500: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2004_preseason_odds.html
In 2011, the preseason odds here gave the Heat +175 while the Mavs had +2000: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html
Seems like similar upsets to me.

[SlimShady83]

What you guys think? Wish I ended up putting Bird on the Poll - Oh well.

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[LaLover11]

The 2011 Heat were better than last year’s Nuggets. How is that low IQ posts? How was I wrong in saying they were overwhelming favorites?

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/5/31/2198658/nba-finals-2011-odds-miami-heat-dallas-mavericks

In what world is -180 overwhelming favorites? How long have you been watching sports for that you think this is overwhelming?

At almost to 2 to 1. I would say heavy favourites. I don’t bet. Not a gambler myself but I think that is a fair sized margin

Eastern Conference Semifinals: -185 (Magic +165)


Bulls favored vs. the Magic

Of note, in Game 6, the Bulls led 102-94 with under 3:30 to play. The Magic outscored them 14-0 the rest of the way to eliminate them in six… in Chicago.

Your boy MJ choked


2 years of load management & still couldn't perform

[zimpy27]

Since high school, if you compare who was better between LeBron and Jordan for each year. LeBron has been better for 14 years and Jordan has been better for 5 years. They've had about 2 years on equal footing.

18: LeBron
19: LeBron
20: LeBron
21: LeBron
22: LeBron
23: LeBron
24: equal
25: Jordan
26: Jordan
27: Jordan
28: Jordan
29: equal
30: LeBron
31: LeBron
32: LeBron
33: Jordan
34: LeBron
35: LeBron
36: LeBron
37: LeBron
38: LeBron

[MavsDirk41]

Since high school, if you compare who was better between LeBron and Jordan for each year. LeBron has been better for 14 years and Jordan has been better for 5 years. They've had about 2 years on equal footing.

18: LeBron
19: LeBron
20: LeBron
21: LeBron
22: LeBron
23: LeBron
24: equal
25: Jordan
26: Jordan
27: Jordan
28: Jordan
29: equal
30: LeBron
31: LeBron
32: LeBron
33: Jordan
34: LeBron
35: LeBron
36: LeBron
37: LeBron
38: LeBron

What in the world are you talking about lol? Im taking peak Jordan over James without question. Greatest player ive ever seen. I think you are reaching pretty badly.

[zimpy27]

Since high school, if you compare who was better between LeBron and Jordan for each year. LeBron has been better for 14 years and Jordan has been better for 5 years. They've had about 2 years on equal footing.

18: LeBron
19: LeBron
20: LeBron
21: LeBron
22: LeBron
23: LeBron
24: equal
25: Jordan
26: Jordan
27: Jordan
28: Jordan
29: equal
30: LeBron
31: LeBron
32: LeBron
33: Jordan
34: LeBron
35: LeBron
36: LeBron
37: LeBron
38: LeBron

What in the world are you talking about lol? Im taking peak Jordan over James without question. Greatest player ive ever seen. I think you are reaching pretty badly.

I do have peak Jordan here over LeBron seasons. Are you misunderstanding my post?

What reach are you referring to?

[MavsDirk41]

Since high school, if you compare who was better between LeBron and Jordan for each year. LeBron has been better for 14 years and Jordan has been better for 5 years. They've had about 2 years on equal footing.

18: LeBron
19: LeBron
20: LeBron
21: LeBron
22: LeBron
23: LeBron
24: equal
25: Jordan
26: Jordan
27: Jordan
28: Jordan
29: equal
30: LeBron
31: LeBron
32: LeBron
33: Jordan
34: LeBron
35: LeBron
36: LeBron
37: LeBron
38: LeBron

What in the world are you talking about lol? Im taking peak Jordan over James without question. Greatest player ive ever seen. I think you are reaching pretty badly.

I do have peak Jordan here over LeBron seasons. Are you misunderstanding my post?

What reach are you referring to?

Bringing up high school? No i understand. Let me try:

Jordan at 21 (when he entered the nba) better than James until 35. James 36 to 40 better than Jordan. Thats how i see it. I didnt watch Jordan or James play basketball in high school. Ive only watched them since they became professionals.

[MavsDirk41]

My bad James 30 and 31 obviously

[zimpy27]

What in the world are you talking about lol? Im taking peak Jordan over James without question. Greatest player ive ever seen. I think you are reaching pretty badly.

I do have peak Jordan here over LeBron seasons. Are you misunderstanding my post?

What reach are you referring to?

Bringing up high school? No i understand. Let me try:

Jordan at 21 (when he entered the nba) better than James until 35. James 36 to 40 better than Jordan. Thats how i see it. I didnt watch Jordan or James play basketball in high school. Ive only watched them since they became professionals.

No not high school. LeBron started his first NBA season at 18, Jordan started first college season at 18.

I'm saying every year since high school. Jordan had a nice 4 year peak from 89-93 but LeBron was better most of the time.

[MavsDirk41]

I do have peak Jordan here over LeBron seasons. Are you misunderstanding my post?

What reach are you referring to?

Bringing up high school? No i understand. Let me try:

Jordan at 21 (when he entered the nba) better than James until 35. James 36 to 40 better than Jordan. Thats how i see it. I didnt watch Jordan or James play basketball in high school. Ive only watched them since they became professionals.

No not high school. LeBron started his first NBA season at 18, Jordan started first college season at 18.

I'm saying every year since high school. Jordan had a nice 4 year peak from 89-93 but LeBron was better most of the time.

Your opinion brother, just like my opinion is that Jordan was better at 21 to 30 and 32 to 35. James better at 35 and on. James better at 18 - 21 ok. Nothing wrong with Jordan playing for the legendary Coach Smith and winning a national title. We all have our opinions and thats ok. There is nothing factual about this topic. Its all opinion based and I believe as strongly in mine as you do yours.

[zimpy27]

Bringing up high school? No i understand. Let me try:

Jordan at 21 (when he entered the nba) better than James until 35. James 36 to 40 better than Jordan. Thats how i see it. I didnt watch Jordan or James play basketball in high school. Ive only watched them since they became professionals.

No not high school. LeBron started his first NBA season at 18, Jordan started first college season at 18.

I'm saying every year since high school. Jordan had a nice 4 year peak from 89-93 but LeBron was better most of the time.

Your opinion brother, just like my opinion is that Jordan was better at 21 to 30 and 32 to 35. James better at 35 and on. James better at 18 - 21 ok. Nothing wrong with Jordan playing for the legendary Coach Smith and winning a national title. We all have our opinions and thats ok. There is nothing factual about this topic. Its all opinion based and I believe as strongly in mine as you do yours.

I appreciate that.

I think going year by year comparison might be a more interesting discussion than the whole career. Would put KAJ in the discussion too. All 3 players have 21 year long careers, though MJ had a couple breaks.