2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West Semifinals: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #4 Denver Nuggets (DEN leads 2-1)
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Through the first 9 games, before tonights stats update.
Murray 15.9 PER and 2.0 BPM
Aaron Gordon 16.7 PER 1.1 BPM
MPJ 8.6 PER -2.7 BPM
Braun 11.2 PER -0.7 BPM
Watson and Westbrook are their only reserves getting meaningful playing time and both have been solid.
For all the "playoff" murray and what not talk. Those aren't all star level stats from anyone here. And those are including Murray's 40 point game which seems to carry more meaning than his general solid starter but not allstar level of play.
Murray 15.9 PER and 2.0 BPM
Aaron Gordon 16.7 PER 1.1 BPM
MPJ 8.6 PER -2.7 BPM
Braun 11.2 PER -0.7 BPM
Watson and Westbrook are their only reserves getting meaningful playing time and both have been solid.
For all the "playoff" murray and what not talk. Those aren't all star level stats from anyone here. And those are including Murray's 40 point game which seems to carry more meaning than his general solid starter but not allstar level of play.
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ArksNetsSince99 wrote:RookieStar wrote:I dont wanna brag... but is someone keepoling receipts to all the posters prediction before this series started?
I was the one saying my brain says OKC in 5 or 6 BUT my heart says Jokic in 6.
Wow...
You said this , I remember
I even thought this guy heart agrees with my brain as I have Nuggets in 6
RookieStar wants to brag. They want us to keep receipts and get vindication when they have no definitive stance on the series. That's not how this works. They should be ratio'd just like the people who said either Thunder or Nuggets in 4 games.
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I was convinced OKC were going to blow the doors off Denver in OT. Denver showed championship mettle and pulled it out.
Do we see OKC blow them out in game 4?
Do we see OKC blow them out in game 4?
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I think the Nuggets have an awesome starting lineup. But an awesome starting lineup requires a good mix and match of talents that compliment each other. It's the bench that hasn't been as strong after winning it all.
As far as the supporting cast carrying Jokic, thats simply not true. Jokic played winning basketball, and his presence and attention freed up guys. How many times were guys just insanely wide open tonight? OKC is loaded with good defenders but they were putting two on Jokic to keep him from dominating inside a lot tonight.
As far as the supporting cast carrying Jokic, thats simply not true. Jokic played winning basketball, and his presence and attention freed up guys. How many times were guys just insanely wide open tonight? OKC is loaded with good defenders but they were putting two on Jokic to keep him from dominating inside a lot tonight.
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TinmanZBoy wrote:Mrakar wrote:
Man they get away with lot of things. Are they too quick for refs or what?
They might be… they are handsy all the time, also very quick
That really is part of it. They are so aggressive and quick, and can help so well that sometimes they totally cut away the angle of the ref to see the action. It's genius, really. Sometimes the ref literally cannot see what they are doing. It takes a ton of energy to play like that, which is part of it why their offense sometimes gets into bad tendencies.
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WhatTheBuck wrote:What's so suprising? They bailed him out when he won the chip too.
What are you even talking about? He had a historic individual playoff run.
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76ciology wrote:G R E Y wrote:First Daigs fouls when he shouldn't to stop the play, now he doesn't call a TO when he arguably should have stopped the play.
ISO ball late is a choice. As is 3 shots for Hartenstein but ok...
The Nuggets’ defense has been picking its poison, leaving Dort and Caruso open from three, which turned out to be a bad gamble, while conceding floaters to Hartenstein, which was a good bet.
Sure. But gone was the passing late in the game - Braun did well to stay in front of SGA or bring him to help D, forcing passes to eventual 5-14 Hartenstein who **** the bed three times. Hardly any Thunder player was efficient. In this game Dort and Caruso combined for 2-9 from 3. Nuggs got very physical and took away spaces well. Also, first game in Denver probably had its best, strongest effect.



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Has jokic ever played with an active all star or all nba player?
There's your answer.
There's your answer.
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Sgt Major wrote:It's always the usual suspects with these threads
Yes, they're probably not old enough to drink though.You never know if you might be responding to a 15 year old although it would surprise me if they use message boards.
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I've always thought Braun was underrated. He can play on both ends of the floor, and his defensive pressure often results in loose balls that don't show up in the stats.
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FreeBird23 wrote:I've always thought Braun was underrated. He can play on both ends of the floor, and his defensive pressure often results in loose balls that don't show up in the stats.
Really good finisher in traffic too. The amount of times he goes up into the trees and somehow wills the ball in is crazy.
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draftbarnes wrote:Not a bad performance by his team mates tonight
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draftbarnes wrote:Not a bad performance by his team mates tonight
It’s only when they lose. When Jamal Murray turns into Maple Jordan in the playoffs it’s because of Jokic’s help.
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picc wrote:I just watched the game and Braun had SGA on code 5 lockdown all night. Absolutely none of his shenanigans worked. Wow.
Brauns chest def. absorbed plenty of chicken-wing push-offs this game
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So when Nuggets loss by 50 did Nuggets go from having no help to having help in one game?
Yes Jokic has help. Less than other contenders which was the main point.
Yes Jokic has help. Less than other contenders which was the main point.
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Alatan wrote:Mamba Mentality wrote:SGA walking off the court with a huge smile. He knows that the Thunder should be up 3-0 in this series.
3-0 in moral victories?
He’s smiling because even though he didn’t deliver when it counted, RGM wasn’t going to make 5 separate threads about it.
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No one in the league has the horses to hang with the Thunder when they are on, maybe a healthy Cavs team, best chance in to muck it up, keep it close, then rely on experience and shot making, Nuggets have been able to do it twice, and still have 2 home games.
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Re: 2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West Semifinals: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #4 Denver Nuggets (DEN leads 2-1)
Statlanta wrote:ArksNetsSince99 wrote:RookieStar wrote:I dont wanna brag... but is someone keepoling receipts to all the posters prediction before this series started?
I was the one saying my brain says OKC in 5 or 6 BUT my heart says Jokic in 6.
Wow...
You said this , I remember
I even thought this guy heart agrees with my brain as I have Nuggets in 6
RookieStar wants to brag. They want us to keep receipts and get vindication when they have no definitive stance on the series. That's not how this works. They should be ratio'd just like the people who said either Thunder or Nuggets in 4 games.
Lol... naaaah man. I just dont wanna take sides now that my Magic is out of contention. It stops me from appreciating what each team brings to the table if i root for one team over the other
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I don't understand this team man. Give up a big lead in game 1 and lose, win game 2 by 43, lose game 3 in OT.
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MrBigShot wrote:Has jokic ever played with an active all star or all nba player?
There's your answer.
Murray shows up in the playoffs (when healthy) instead of chasing some meaningless regular season accolades







