2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

[Johnny Firpo]

It's Lebron's at this point. The difference between when he is on the court and when he rest is just Titanic.

Yeah, but that doesn't really factor into the decision, if you know how the MVP voting works.

[The High Cyde]

It's a virtual lock that either one of Russell Westbrook, James Harden, or LeBron James will win it. For me, there's still a lot more ball to be played and none of the three have really created separation from one another to be the clear favorite.

It's a good year for the MVP race. Whoever wins it will have a good case for it, that shouldn't dimish the efforts of the other two.

[evilpimp972]

Lebron is having an MVP season but I think Harden then Westbrook (close) deserve it more this year.

Look, these guys have to play every single game while LBJ takes days off, I'm sorry but it's only december and LBJ clearly showed us that he doesn't care about another MVP, he just want the ring.
So why give it to him though?

[Mew]

Lebron is having an MVP season but I think Harden then Westbrook (close) deserve it more this year.

Look, these guys have to play every single game while LBJ takes days off, I'm sorry but it's only december and LBJ clearly showed us that he doesn't care about another MVP, he just want the ring.
So why give it to him though?

It's Westbrook's year, imo.

LeBron is still the best player in the league, but he doesn't care about the regular season anymore, he's pretty much letting Kyrie handle the team and he'll take back over the best player in the league role when the playoffs start.


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[Hero]

It's Lebron's at this point. The difference between when he is on the court and when he rest is just Titanic.

Yeah, but that doesn't really factor into the decision, if you know how the MVP voting works.

That plus the likely win discrepancy between the Cavs and the Warriors/Thunder could be decicive. The gap is only going to grow from here.

[Triples333]

It's Lebron's at this point. The difference between when he is on the court and when he rest is just Titanic.

Yeah, but that doesn't really factor into the decision, if you know how the MVP voting works.

That plus the likely win discrepancy between the Cavs and the Warriors/Thunder could be decicive. The gap is only going to grow from here.

Lmao. You seem to be missing a key team here. And the gap is minimal. In fact the Rockets have a better win differential than the Cavs (WHAT! Yes, it's true). Also,the gap going to grow from the Cavs and Dubs in the Cavs favor? Is this your first "NBA"?

[AussieBuck]

And? Leonard is a DPOY candidate, and putting up better numbers than Lowry on a much better team.

Like I said man I don't follow the winning team convention. We've come a long way since we had to scratch our heads and assume that the high points guy on the best team was MVP. We have a whole bunch of statistical measures now. Kawhi isn't anywhere near a DPOY candidate this season regardless if anyone's paying attention. Giannis should be though. Lowry's has a more extreme version of Giannis' recognition issue. Wasn't a hyped college star/wasn't an immediate star and doesn't play in a right place. If we are doing the thing where we pretend Lebron isn't MVP Lowry's as good a candidate as any.

Seeing as you seem to be a proponent for modern stats and feel it's a "pretend" to realize Lebron is not the MVP, please feel free to illustrate his argument under the advanced-stats umbrella...

I don't know if you're going with some kind Lebron isn't leading any particular stat gotcha moment here but I haven't said I'm judging exactly like that so yeah cool.

[ChiCityHoops34]

I can't comprehend that anyone that religiously watches basketball could sleep at night giving the award to someone other than Russ.

[Lauri_Legend]

It's crazy that last year there was no discussion anywhere. It was Steph Curry and everybody knew it.

That said, I still believe the MVP should be awarded to the best player on the best team(s). Top 2 in your conference.

I love Russell Westbrook, but I don't think he should win it. I would happy as heck if he does though.

I choose Lebron James. His legacy is too strong for him NOT to win a MVP after 30. He has 1 more in him. It's this season. Numbers are really down, but it's really between him or Kawhi. I pick Lebron. (Top 2 in your conference)

[Lauri_Legend]

I hope KD or Curry aren't seriously considered for the award.

How can you be MOST VALUABLE if you have another player on your team that was the last player to win MOST VALUABLE PLAYER award.

[ChartFiction]

I finally went back and watched a few OKC games, without just having it on in the background, and I have to go with Westbrook. Just notably more impressive to me than what I've seen out of any other player.

[dautjazz]

I can't comprehend that anyone that religiously watches basketball could sleep at night giving the award to someone other than Russ.

It's Harden or Russell for me, but I don't see what's wrong with giving it to Harden. For one, his team has a better record, no one had them over OKC this year, but here they are. They both have insane stats. 28/8/12 is not that far off from what Westbrook is doing. It's kind of toss up at this point IMO. I don't really like the shooting efficiency of either (and don't give me the lame/tired TS% argument for Harden), but what they are doing aside of that is amazing. I also like Lebron a lot, he's putting up great stats as well, and much better efficiency and defense, but I don't know if I'd quite put his season performance at Harden and Westbrook levels.

[dautjazz]

I hope KD or Curry aren't seriously considered for the award.

How can you be MOST VALUABLE if you have another player on your team that was the last player to win MOST VALUABLE PLAYER award.

Curry is not even in the top 7 MVP candidates IMO, maybe not even top 10, he just isn't having that kind of season. Durant is doing better, but GS is going to have a worse record than last year, so he really wont get that much consideration IMO.

[The_Hater]

I hope KD or Curry aren't seriously considered for the award.

How can you be MOST VALUABLE if you have another player on your team that was the last player to win MOST VALUABLE PLAYER award.

Curry is not even in the top 7 MVP candidates IMO, maybe not even top 10, he just isn't having that kind of season. Durant is doing better, but GS is going to have a worse record than last year, so he really wont get that much consideration IMO.

Worse record. Sure. But they're still on pace for 70 wins and the 3rd best record of all time.

Durant should be higher but Steph should still be up there too.

[dautjazz]

I hope KD or Curry aren't seriously considered for the award.

How can you be MOST VALUABLE if you have another player on your team that was the last player to win MOST VALUABLE PLAYER award.

Curry is not even in the top 7 MVP candidates IMO, maybe not even top 10, he just isn't having that kind of season. Durant is doing better, but GS is going to have a worse record than last year, so he really wont get that much consideration IMO.

Worse record. Sure. But they're still on pace for 70 wins and the 3rd best record of all time.

Durant should be higher but Steph should still be up there too.

But how high? I would probably put the following over Curry:

Lebron
Westbrook
Harden
Leonard
Durant
Lowry
Paul
Gasol
Derozan
Giannis

[inquisitive]

if RW just maintains his stat and OKC wins 50 games, i think he will win it even if Harden helps Rockets to more wins and keeping same stats. The media is pretty much all about RW now.

[The_Hater]

Curry is not even in the top 7 MVP candidates IMO, maybe not even top 10, he just isn't having that kind of season. Durant is doing better, but GS is going to have a worse record than last year, so he really wont get that much consideration IMO.

Worse record. Sure. But they're still on pace for 70 wins and the 3rd best record of all time.

Durant should be higher but Steph should still be up there too.

But how high? I would probably put the following over Curry:

Lebron
Westbrook
Harden
Leonard
Durant
Lowry
Paul
Gasol
Derozan
Giannis

On that list I'd have him ahead of the last 3 names. He's clearly better than the 2nd best Raptor. So somewhere between 6th and 8th probably.

[K_chile22]

I can't comprehend that anyone that religiously watches basketball could sleep at night giving the award to someone other than Russ.

It's Harden or Russell for me, but I don't see what's wrong with giving it to Harden. For one, his team has a better record, no one had them over OKC this year, but here they are. They both have insane stats. 28/8/12 is not that far off from what Westbrook is doing. It's kind of toss up at this point IMO. I don't really like the shooting efficiency of either (and don't give me the lame/tired TS% argument for Harden), but what they are doing aside of that is amazing. I also like Lebron a lot, he's putting up great stats as well, and much better efficiency and defense, but I don't know if I'd quite put his season performance at Harden and Westbrook levels.

How are Russ' and Harden's efficiency even comparable? Harden dominating in overall efficiency (TS%) And from the field (eFG%) , since you hate TS for whatever reason. Harden's eFG is significantly above league average (50.7%) at 52.5% while Russ is well below league average at 47.1%. Unless you're using FG%, which no one should, Harden has had great efficiency while Russ has been below average. It's understandable given his situation but to say you don't like either's efficiency, like both are bad when only one is and the other is good, is off.

[Gibson22]

No order podium LBJ JH RW.
Kd
another no order trio curry cp3 kawhi
a lot of other people, marc, giannis, klove, lowry and derozan.
But that's the podium