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Post#1161 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:59 pm

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Soda+rice+pasta are my vices dude. I gotta find a way to overcome. I don't like water :oops: :oops:

I don't know if you'd have it in the states but in Australia we have these tea bags designed to be used in cold water. You just toss one into a water bottle and it adds a little bit of flavour, makes water less boring.

That helped me, among some other things, to lose 30kgs about 9 months ago.


Hmm... I don't know about that. I know about cold brew tea packets though with a little stevia or splenda.
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Post#1162 » by LKN » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:01 pm

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Triples333 wrote:Sigh. More new cases in the last 24 hours than we had total cases up until 3 days ago. Testing must be ramping up a bit. We will be at 50K (confirmed) cases in the next week or two.


We are now outpacing Italy in total confirmed cases if you match up both countries' timelines to when they had 157 (Italy) and 158 (USA) cases. Increased testing here no doubt is playing a role as lack of available tests previously held down the USA numbers.
(data is from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

For reference, the nationwide lockdown in Italy started on 3/9.
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I sadly think it may end up being worse here. We still (IMO) are not locked down enough and have already completely failed on containment.
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Post#1163 » by shangrila » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:01 pm

slamilcarBarca wrote:
shangrila wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Soda+rice+pasta are my vices dude. I gotta find a way to overcome. I don't like water :oops: :oops:

I don't know if you'd have it in the states but in Australia we have these tea bags designed to be used in cold water. You just toss one into a water bottle and it adds a little bit of flavour, makes water less boring.

That helped me, among some other things, to lose 30kgs about 9 months ago.



an australian once gave me vegemite and told me it was good.

i will never trust an australian. :wink:

I'm convinced it's a joke I've never been let in on.

It tastes like ass and looks like feces. I have to avert my eyes when I pass it in the supermarkets. Why anyone would pay money for it, let alone actually eat it, is beyond me.
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Post#1164 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:02 pm

slamilcarBarca wrote:
shangrila wrote:
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
Soda+rice+pasta are my vices dude. I gotta find a way to overcome. I don't like water :oops: :oops:

I don't know if you'd have it in the states but in Australia we have these tea bags designed to be used in cold water. You just toss one into a water bottle and it adds a little bit of flavour, makes water less boring.

That helped me, among some other things, to lose 30kgs about 9 months ago.



an australian once gave me vegemite and told me it was good.

i will never trust an australian. :wink:


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Post#1165 » by slamilcarBarca » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:02 pm

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slamilcarBarca wrote:
shangrila wrote:I don't know if you'd have it in the states but in Australia we have these tea bags designed to be used in cold water. You just toss one into a water bottle and it adds a little bit of flavour, makes water less boring.

That helped me, among some other things, to lose 30kgs about 9 months ago.



an australian once gave me vegemite and told me it was good.

i will never trust an australian. :wink:

I'm convinced it's a joke I've never been let in on.

It tastes like ass and looks like feces. I have to avert my eyes when I pass it in the supermarkets. Why anyone would pay money for it, let alone actually eat it, is beyond me.



legit :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#1166 » by madmaxmedia » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:08 pm

slamilcarBarca wrote:
shangrila wrote:
slamilcarBarca wrote:

an australian once gave me vegemite and told me it was good.

i will never trust an australian. :wink:

I'm convinced it's a joke I've never been let in on.

It tastes like ass and looks like feces. I have to avert my eyes when I pass it in the supermarkets. Why anyone would pay money for it, let alone actually eat it, is beyond me.


legit :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Maybe it's a big inside joke for them, and they've been tricking us into eating dog**** all this time...
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Post#1167 » by steger_3434 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:09 pm

https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus

Not saying this is right, but an expert in his field with a different view point. Long read, so most wont and say it’s garbage


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Post#1168 » by Pharmcat » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:10 pm

steger_3434 wrote:https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus

Not saying this is right, but an expert in his field with a different view point. Long read, so most wont and say it’s garbage


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Dailywire? :roll:
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Post#1169 » by steger_3434 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:12 pm

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steger_3434 wrote:https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus

Not saying this is right, but an expert in his field with a different view point. Long read, so most wont and say it’s garbage


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Dailywire? :roll:

Yeah, right wing driven, but I’d assume the quotes from the professor are legit


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Post#1170 » by slamilcarBarca » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:12 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:
slamilcarBarca wrote:
shangrila wrote:I'm convinced it's a joke I've never been let in on.

It tastes like ass and looks like feces. I have to avert my eyes when I pass it in the supermarkets. Why anyone would pay money for it, let alone actually eat it, is beyond me.


legit :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Maybe it's a big inside joke for them, and they've been tricking us into eating dog**** all this time...


payback for all the times americans insist on them enduring our crocodile dundee routines.

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Post#1171 » by Courtside » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:14 pm

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HotRocks34 wrote:Yep. Birx says to expect massive surge in positive cases in the next 2-3 days. And then it will likely stay high at least for awhile from the expanded ability to test.


I can tell you that there are many places where this is not being taken seriously. I live in the Charlotte suburbs and had to go out today. It was basically business as usual at many, many places.

It's going to take stacks of bodies on TV before people really understand what is happening


i fear you are correct. and it may take the death of someone in their prime to get the youngs on board. 20-50 is not as safe as people wish to believe.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/03/18/young-and-healthy-people-may-not-always-make-a-full-recovery-after-covid-19-coronavirus-us-health-official-asserts/#567884ec6419

New CDC data posted today indicate the potential for COVID-19 to result in severe disease including prolonged ICU admission and death. In fact, nearly 40% of U.S. coronavirus patients sick enough to be admitted were aged 20-54, based on the study of the first 2,500 cases in the U.S. There were no deaths reported in those under the age of 19, and < 1% among people aged 20-54. Deaths were highest in those > 85 years ranging from 10-27%.


So not only are young and healthy people being affected more than thought, they're going to start taking up an increased amount of medical resources. Follows the pattern of pushing health care providers to start tilting their choices towards the young and most likely to recover. Not a good sign.
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Post#1172 » by Courtside » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:24 pm

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steger_3434 wrote:https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus

Not saying this is right, but an expert in his field with a different view point. Long read, so most wont and say it’s garbage

Dailywire? :roll:


Daily Wire was just re-hashing the professor's original posting, which is here:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/

He's not wring in saying that we are working from incomplete data. I think we are all well aware of that. The mistake I think he makes is using the Princess Cruise ship test as his benchmark, when there are other more substantial indicators staring him in the face. Of course there is a possibility that this isn't as big a killer as the WHO claims at 3.4% but completely ignores any of the forecasting involved with spread rates or hospitalization capability.

Seems like he's being a contrarian just for the sake of it.


And also from statnews, a rebuttal from someone equally as qualified to comment:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/18/we-know-enough-now-to-act-decisively-against-covid-19/
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Post#1173 » by slamilcarBarca » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:25 pm

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slamilcarBarca wrote:
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I can tell you that there are many places where this is not being taken seriously. I live in the Charlotte suburbs and had to go out today. It was basically business as usual at many, many places.

It's going to take stacks of bodies on TV before people really understand what is happening


i fear you are correct. and it may take the death of someone in their prime to get the youngs on board. 20-50 is not as safe as people wish to believe.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/03/18/young-and-healthy-people-may-not-always-make-a-full-recovery-after-covid-19-coronavirus-us-health-official-asserts/#567884ec6419

New CDC data posted today indicate the potential for COVID-19 to result in severe disease including prolonged ICU admission and death. In fact, nearly 40% of U.S. coronavirus patients sick enough to be admitted were aged 20-54, based on the study of the first 2,500 cases in the U.S. There were no deaths reported in those under the age of 19, and < 1% among people aged 20-54. Deaths were highest in those > 85 years ranging from 10-27%.


So not only are young and healthy people being affected more than thought, they're going to start taking up an increased amount of medical resources. Follows the pattern of pushing health care providers to start tilting their choices towards the young and most likely to recover. Not a good sign.


this is precisely the terrifying component that not enough people seem to be grasping. a doctor is going to have to look someone in the eye and say, "i'm sorry, but good luck."

then all bets are off. the only beacon in the distance is that once someone is there they can try anything in the "experimental" phase.

remember deepwater horizon? wasn't the plan at one point just to throw golf balls in the gushing oil leak?
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Post#1174 » by LKN » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:26 pm

steger_3434 wrote:https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus

Not saying this is right, but an expert in his field with a different view point. Long read, so most wont and say it’s garbage


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The problem with this virus is actually might be how contagious it is then the death rate (which is high compared to influenza).

In any case his argument is wrong if you look at Italy. This virus is spiking Italy's overall daily all-cause mortality rate by 20-30% a day.

That is just freaking insane.


In any case you can find professors that will provide contrarian views on climate change too...almost all of them are wrong. This guy is almost certainly wrong also.

Even if we are over-reacting the calculus makes sense. The downside risk is so large that we pretty much have no choice.
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Post#1175 » by Je K » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:27 pm

steger_3434 wrote:https://www.dailywire.com/news/stanford-professor-data-indicates-were-overreacting-to-coronavirus

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His argument is that the mortality rate is actually much lower than the assumptions we're operating with right now. But even if that very low mortality rate is true, it's still overwhelming health care systems as we speak. So aren't the measures that are being taken around the world fair? He's calling these measures drastic, but it's been proven that it can overwhelm health care systems. I guess I don't see how he can conclude that we're doing too much - just look at what's going on.
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Post#1176 » by Ainosterhaspie » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:28 pm

slamilcarBarca wrote:
shangrila wrote:
slamilcarBarca wrote:

an australian once gave me vegemite and told me it was good.

i will never trust an australian. :wink:

I'm convinced it's a joke I've never been let in on.

It tastes like ass and looks like feces. I have to avert my eyes when I pass it in the supermarkets. Why anyone would pay money for it, let alone actually eat it, is beyond me.



legit :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok, so bear with me as I share my Vegemite story, and my take is ultimately different than the ones here.

When I was in the Marines, we did this exchange thing with the Australian army where my company went to an Australian base to train for a month and they had a company go to our base for the same purpose.

My buddy and I saw Vegimite in their chowhall and having heard the Men at Work song, had to try it for ourselves. So we both got a piece of bread and slathered it on like peanut butter. I took one bite and about threw up. The stuff was revolting.

A day or few later we got the bright idea of daring each other to eat a whole piece of bread with the stuff and again spread it on like peanutbutter. I managed to get through the whole piece, though it was a horrific experience. But being young and maybe stupid I did it anyway.

My buddy then remembered an Australian girl he had previously met at some bar in Hawaii and gave her a call. Apparently we were doing it completely wrong. She suggested a piece of toast with butter and the Vegemite spread very very thinly on the toast. (Our spread it like peanut butter method was completely wrong.) Start with a small amount and if you can't spread it all the way over the whole piece, you're doing it right. Add a bit more until you just barely manage to get it spread all over.

So we went back and tried it again, this time with that much needed guidance from a local. And I really liked it. My buddy still didn't, but I was eating 2-4 pieces of buttered toast with Vegemite every morning the rest of the time I was there. I think maybe the shock to my tastebuds from eating a whole piece of toast with it thickly slathered was enough to rapidly develop a taste for it.

When I got back to the States, I made a bet with my wife, who I was just beginning to date at the time, and if she lost she had to have a piece of Vegemite toast. (The right way not the peanutbutter way.) She lost the bet and to her horror, I insisted she eat the toast. We've been married for 20 years now yet that moment remains the one that came closest to ending our relationship.

I have a jar of the stuff in my pantry right now, and still eat some from time to time. Usually I'll have a piece of toast with jelly and one with Vegemite and go back and forth between the pieces.

Anyway, I like the stuff and feel that qualifies me to be an honorary Australian.
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Post#1177 » by lakerz12 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:30 pm

China claims it has no new local infections:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/asia/china-coronavirus-zero-infections.html

"The virus has killed 3,245 people in China so far, making up over a third of the global toll."

China already went back to work (with restrictions in place) over a week ago.

Are these numbers accurate? Or is China lying about their death total?

If they managed to keep deaths below 10,000, how on earth could America ever get to 1 million+ deaths as some were predicting? That seems incredibly unlikely.
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Post#1178 » by Ambrose » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:33 pm

lakerz12 wrote:China claims it has no new local infections:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/asia/china-coronavirus-zero-infections.html

"The virus has killed 3,245 people in China so far, making up over a third of the global toll."

China already went back to work (with restrictions in place) over a week ago.

Are these numbers accurate? Or is China lying about their death total?

If they managed to keep deaths below 10,000, how on earth could America ever get to 1 million+ deaths as some were predicting? That seems incredibly unlikely.


I'm extremely confident that China's numbers have all been BS.
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Post#1179 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:35 pm

lakerz12 wrote:China claims it has no new local infections:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/world/asia/china-coronavirus-zero-infections.html

"The virus has killed 3,245 people in China so far, making up over a third of the global toll."

China already went back to work (with restrictions in place) over a week ago.

Are these numbers accurate? Or is China lying about their death total?

If they managed to keep deaths below 10,000, how on earth could America ever get to 1 million+ deaths as some were predicting? That seems incredibly unlikely.


China undoubtedly lied their asses off.
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Post#1180 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:39 pm

Update on USA mortality rate.

Read on Twitter



Latest data from this site:
https://covidtracking.com/data/

160 deaths
11,723 cases
1.36% mortality rate


With more testing, the rate should come down. Dr Birx said that the global data is currently pointing towards a 0.7% mortality rate.

However, if the USA health system becomes overrun (like in NY), then expect the mortality rate to go back up.
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