76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[michaelm]

WTF? He's an allstar the second he steps back on the floor.

Yes, if someone wants to give him a max contract after all of this.

There would be a line to give him one...

Maybe. I tend to think the mental health thing at least has a real element. but either way, mental health issue or attitude problem it surely must be a disincentive to paying the last 4 years of his contract, particularly given his peculiarities as a player mean a current non contender pretty much has to build a team around him I would have thought. He certainly is in no position to pick and choose though, that is for situations where there is mutual goodwill, and he or Klutch or both seem to have overestimated his status as a player.

Perhaps Morey is waiting for a better trade when things shake out as the season progresses as has been said, but otherwise I don’t understand His strategy, one thing which seems clear is that Simmons’ days of actually playing for the Sixers would appear well and truly done, the team has moved on and is doing pretty well, hardly an advertisement for him btw, and if he did what is ostensibly being asked of him and returned to the court to pump up his trade value it seems very likely this would be disruptive for the team.

[dhsilv2]

Yes, if someone wants to give him a max contract after all of this.

There would be a line to give him one...

Maybe. I tend to think the mental health thing at least has a real element. but either way, mental health issue or attitude problem it surely must be a disincentive to paying the last 4 years of his contract, particularly given his peculiarities as a player mean a current non contender pretty much has to build a team around him I would have thought. He certainly is in no position to pick and choose though, that is for situations where there is mutual goodwill, and he or Klutch or both seem to have overestimated his status as a player.

Perhaps Morey is waiting for a better trade when things shake out as the season progresses as has been said, but otherwise I don’t understand Morey’s strategy, one thing which seems clear is that his days of actually playing for the Sixers would appear well and truly done, the team has moved on and is doing pretty well, hardly an advertisement for him btw, and if he did what is ostensibly being asked of him and returned to the court to pump up his trade value it seems very likely this would be disruptive for the team.

I don't see mental health being anymore a concern than a broken foot or the likes. He has some major crap happen in his life and clearly needs to work through it. If that's the real issue or not here...I'm not sure it matters that much, unless you take the most extreme view of his mental health. Even then...we've had some serious headcases in the league and they were able to play a decade plus.

As for the 4 years, that's the biggest selling point of getting Simmons. You're getting what you have to expect will be his best 4 years. That's pretty huge and he's paid very fairly for the market. No, he's not some crazy deal, but he's being paid very fairly for the market, again an upside.

As for the trading him, I don't understand why anyone would think this would be over with so soon. This is of course a first in NBA history for a guy this young, this good, and with so much time on their deal left to ask out. But any level of common sense would tell you that such a player is going to be hard to get fair value for because of how insanely high that value is and that 1-2 years is the time it might take. It's also why no player has ever done this before. This was from day one almost a sure full season of playing time lost to Ben. Sure there's a chance something comes up before the deadline, but it's always seemed most likely it would be next summer or next trade deadline.

The 76ers are going to wait for other star players to ask out. Until that happens there won't be a deal unless someone wants to grossly over pay. And philly can, should, and everyone who's a fan of the team all agree they can wait a year or two.

[dan-man]

They really should trade Ben at this point. The situation isn't improving, and the longer this goes on the more it will drag his value down.

He will be worth more as we get closer to the trade deadline...no point in trading him now.

Fine him until the end of his contract, and let the other owners share the cost under the table to end this type of behavior.

[azcatz11]

Yeah, like that mentally weak loser will ever play there.

Really going to look good to his future teammates when a guy earning a max contract can’t play in Philly because the fans aren’t nice to him.

Simmons is in Philly and has been seen walking around on multiple occasions

Bbbbbbut he’s scared to show his face

What is it about him that makes people say the dumbest ****?

There's a huge difference between 'walking around' Philly and playing in front of the home court. Which he's clearly scared to do.

[Tomjas]

Really going to look good to his future teammates when a guy earning a max contract can’t play in Philly because the fans aren’t nice to him.

Simmons is in Philly and has been seen walking around on multiple occasions

Bbbbbbut he’s scared to show his face

What is it about him that makes people say the dumbest ****?

There's a huge difference between 'walking around' Philly and playing in front of the home court. Which he's clearly scared to do.

And now for reality

Sixers recently went on a long road trip and Simmons could have played in any of those games without worrying about Philly crowd

He didn’t because he’s made it abundantly clear that he’s not playing for the Sixers again ANYWHERE

[azcatz11]

Simmons is in Philly and has been seen walking around on multiple occasions

Bbbbbbut he’s scared to show his face

What is it about him that makes people say the dumbest ****?

There's a huge difference between 'walking around' Philly and playing in front of the home court. Which he's clearly scared to do.

And now for reality

Sixers recently went on a long road trip and Simmons could have played in any of those games without worrying about Philly crowd

He didn’t because he’s made it abundantly clear that he’s not playing for the Sixers again ANYWHERE

He's not going to play away games and not home games...that doesn't make any sense

[Tomjas]

There's a huge difference between 'walking around' Philly and playing in front of the home court. Which he's clearly scared to do.

And now for reality

Sixers recently went on a long road trip and Simmons could have played in any of those games without worrying about Philly crowd

He didn’t because he’s made it abundantly clear that he’s not playing for the Sixers again ANYWHERE

He's not going to play away games and not home games...that doesn't make any sense

He doesn’t want to play for the Sixers ANYWHERE

Not complicated

[azcatz11]

And now for reality

Sixers recently went on a long road trip and Simmons could have played in any of those games without worrying about Philly crowd

He didn’t because he’s made it abundantly clear that he’s not playing for the Sixers again ANYWHERE

He's not going to play away games and not home games...that doesn't make any sense

He doesn’t want to play for the Sixers ANYWHERE

Not complicated

Yes because he's afraid of facing the home court. We can go back & forth all night so we can agree to disagree

[rzzzzz]

Fine him until the end of his contract, and let the other owners share the cost under the table to end this type of behavior.

I’m not gonna cry crocodile tears for the stinkin’ owners and whatever impulsive move their front office makes, but Ben has singled handedly crippled the trend towards stars completely calling the shots, by behaving so despicably that the Players Association has no stomach to back him up. Definitely no pressure on Daryl not to wait on his best deal, and no groundswell for Ben to collect on a contract he will not fulfill.

[Quattro]

Yeah, like that mentally weak loser will ever play there.

Really going to look good to his future teammates when a guy earning a max contract can’t play in Philly because the fans aren’t nice to him.

Simmons is in Philly and has been seen walking around on multiple occasions

Bbbbbbut he’s scared to show his face

What is it about him that makes people say the dumbest ****?

You’re comparing walking down the street to playing in front of 20000 people and I’m saying dumb ****?

[sfballa13]

Fine him until the end of his contract, and let the other owners share the cost under the table to end this type of behavior.

I’m not gonna cry crocodile tears for the stinkin’ owners and whatever impulsive move their front office makes, but Ben has singled handedly crippled the trend towards stars completely calling the shots, by behaving so despicably that the Players Association has no stomach to back him up. Definitely no pressure on Daryl not to wait on his best deal, and no groundswell for Ben to collect on a contract he will not fulfill.

You are kidding yourself if you think that the Ben Simmons situation isn't going to be front and center at the next NBPA negotiation.

Agents and players around the league are paying attention and the message sent is this:

Any team can trade you but if you ask for a trade be prepared to be fined and forced to sit out.

I get it, you are Sixers fan who is upset that 33M of your cap space has been tied up for over 1/3 of the regular season.

But let's stop acting like Ben Simmons is hated league round by other players, they all are watching this situation closely and wondering "what if I dont want to play for the team I signed a contract with, is the same thing going to happen to me?"

And just so you know, no NBA star will ever sign with the Sixers as long as Morey is the GM so if anyone lost from this charade it's the Sixers organization and the fans.

He asked for a deal 4+ months ago and his trade value continues to plummet. Morey tried moving him during last year's trade deadline and refused to throw in the required pieces to get the Harden deal done.

As usual Morey expected his trade partner to give up way more than they should so he can "win the trade" and feed his massive ego. He played his cards wrong considering he was dealing with his former boss and considering Harden had been asking out of Houston and he would have been the perfect pairing for Embiid, most likely ending in at least a Final's appearance esp considering the Nets almost went to the FInals without two of their top three players.

As of last season your team did not have the pieces necessary to make the Finals even in an injury depleted shortened season. What makes you think that the same team minus Ben Simmons is going to go further than they did last year?

Sixers fans are quick to forget that the guy averaged 12 pts, 8 rebounds, and 9 assists on 8 FG attempts while shooting 62% in last year's playoffs. You think your team is going to perform better than that without a guy that is almost averaging a triple double while playing top tier level defense?

This isnt about Ben Simmons, it's about Morey's ego, and now it's too late as no one wants to touch Simmons given the narrative surrounding the situation in the last 4+ months.

Harden had way more value than Simmons but because he asked out look at what the Rockets got in return.

[Lou_23]

And just so you know, no NBA star will ever sign with the Sixers as long as Morey is the GM so if anyone lost from this charade it's the Sixers organization and the fans.

Lol

Relax dude. NBA players arent stupid. They want money, they want good teams , they want good markets.

They know this is business.

[payton2kemp]

Fine him until the end of his contract, and let the other owners share the cost under the table to end this type of behavior.

I’m not gonna cry crocodile tears for the stinkin’ owners and whatever impulsive move their front office makes, but Ben has singled handedly crippled the trend towards stars completely calling the shots, by behaving so despicably that the Players Association has no stomach to back him up. Definitely no pressure on Daryl not to wait on his best deal, and no groundswell for Ben to collect on a contract he will not fulfill.

Agents and players around the league are paying attention and the message sent is this:

Any team can trade you but if you ask for a trade be prepared to be fined and forced to sit out.

Wait what. They're fining him because he won't play. Nobody is forcing him to sit out, you're not making sense. Sixers want him to show up and play. They never said they wouldn't trade him, but until they find a deal he has to play.

[michaelm]

I’m not gonna cry crocodile tears for the stinkin’ owners and whatever impulsive move their front office makes, but Ben has singled handedly crippled the trend towards stars completely calling the shots, by behaving so despicably that the Players Association has no stomach to back him up. Definitely no pressure on Daryl not to wait on his best deal, and no groundswell for Ben to collect on a contract he will not fulfill.

Agents and players around the league are paying attention and the message sent is this:

Any team can trade you but if you ask for a trade be prepared to be fined and forced to sit out.

Wait what. They're fining him because he won't play. Nobody is forcing him to sit out, you're not making sense. Sixers want him to show up and play. They never said they wouldn't trade him, but until they find a deal he has to play.

Of course he should play if he is able to having signed a contract to do so, and for a huge amount of money at that, and it would seem likely he has every intention of getting a huge amount of money somewhere else. If he wants to retire he can of course do so.

I tend to agree Morey’s ego is involved and him trying to demonstrate what an ace he is comes into it as well though. I can’t see that the Sixers realistically want him to play for them in current circumstances, they are actually using his absence as motivation, or that Morey was realistically trying to trade him pre season. If as the Sixers fans are saying the endgame is to wait till a high level player who can help the Sixers title aspirations this year next to a prime Embiid that may well be a good plan and a plan they are entitled to pursue given their investment in him, but that they want him to play is something of a charade in my view. He has burnt his bridges but so has Morey. He definitely isn’t Kawhi or Paul George, but nor are they getting a healthy Kawhi or PG for him.

[Tomjas]

I’m not gonna cry crocodile tears for the stinkin’ owners and whatever impulsive move their front office makes, but Ben has singled handedly crippled the trend towards stars completely calling the shots, by behaving so despicably that the Players Association has no stomach to back him up. Definitely no pressure on Daryl not to wait on his best deal, and no groundswell for Ben to collect on a contract he will not fulfill.

Agents and players around the league are paying attention and the message sent is this:

Any team can trade you but if you ask for a trade be prepared to be fined and forced to sit out.

Wait what. They're fining him because he won't play. Nobody is forcing him to sit out, you're not making sense. Sixers want him to show up and play. They never said they wouldn't trade him, but until they find a deal he has to play.

Imagine the **** show if he did play

More trouble than it’s worth as all cameras would be trained on him on the bench

Joel would lose it

[Tomjas]

Agents and players around the league are paying attention and the message sent is this:

Any team can trade you but if you ask for a trade be prepared to be fined and forced to sit out.

Wait what. They're fining him because he won't play. Nobody is forcing him to sit out, you're not making sense. Sixers want him to show up and play. They never said they wouldn't trade him, but until they find a deal he has to play.

Of course he should play if he is able to having signed a contract to do so, and for a huge amount of money at that, and it would seem likely he has every intention of getting a huge amount of money somewhere else. If he wants to retire he can of course do so.

I tend to agree Morey’s ego is involved and him trying to demonstrate what an ace he is comes into it as well though. I can’t see that the Sixers realistically want him to play for them in current circumstances, they are using his absence as motivation, or that Morey was realistically trying to trade him pre season. If as the Sixers fans are saying the endgame is to wait till a high level player who can help the Sixers title aspirations in this year next to a prime Embiid that may well be a plan a good plan and a plan it is their right to pursue given their investment in him, but that they want him to play is something of a charade on my view. He has burnt his bridges but so have they.

This

Seth Curry is Doc’s son in law

He’s admitted that Ben isn’t a distraction because he’s not around

If he comes back (won’t happen) then whole dynamic changes

Global media attention will be on the Sixers because of one guy & every single interaction between Simmons & Joel/Doc will be scrutinised

Then you have the players

Whether people like to admit it or not, Ben is our 2nd best player with daylight 3rd

Players roles & minutes will change

That’s bound to create tension

Doc played in the NBA and sat out games during a contract dispute

The fact that he didn’t try to contact Simmons for 7 weeks prior to pre season training speaks volumes

Doc might be a terrible coach and a shameless self promoter but he also knows that Ben is gone

[sfballa13]

Wait what. They're fining him because he won't play. Nobody is forcing him to sit out, you're not making sense. Sixers want him to show up and play. They never said they wouldn't trade him, but until they find a deal he has to play.

Of course he should play if he is able to having signed a contract to do so, and for a huge amount of money at that, and it would seem likely he has every intention of getting a huge amount of money somewhere else. If he wants to retire he can of course do so.

I tend to agree Morey’s ego is involved and him trying to demonstrate what an ace he is comes into it as well though. I can’t see that the Sixers realistically want him to play for them in current circumstances, they are using his absence as motivation, or that Morey was realistically trying to trade him pre season. If as the Sixers fans are saying the endgame is to wait till a high level player who can help the Sixers title aspirations in this year next to a prime Embiid that may well be a plan a good plan and a plan it is their right to pursue given their investment in him, but that they want him to play is something of a charade on my view. He has burnt his bridges but so have they.

This

Seth Curry is Doc’s son in law

He’s admitted that Ben isn’t a distraction because he’s not around

If he comes back (won’t happen) then whole dynamic changes

Global media attention will be on the Sixers because of one guy & every single interaction between Simmons & Joel/Doc will be scrutinised

Then you have the players

Whether people like to admit it or not, Ben is our 2nd best player with daylight 3rd

Players roles & minutes will change

That’s bound to create tension

Everyone, esp Sixers fans, have a short memory.

They seem to forget that Simmons played a major role in their 1st place seed in the East last season

Or the fact that in the playoffs, he nearly averaged a triple double on 60% shooting while defending the opposing teammates best player.

The facts remain: The Sixers are less talented team without Simmons and are less talented team with 33M of cap space wasted for 1/3 of the season.

The salary cap is 112M which means 30% of their cap is unused, crazy to think about outside of an injury.

They are 15-13 and 5 games back of the 1st seed - therefore they are worse than they were last season.

Morey, and somehow the Sixers organization, are either too proud or too stupid to realize this.

Let's say Simmons does end up sitting out the season, what team is then going to give up a king's ransom like Morey is asking?

And I'm failing to see why Morey has such a huge ego in the first place. His biggest accomplishment, getting James Harden, was because the OKC Thunder's ownership was too stupid to see the value in paying one of their best young players.

In the past 14 years of being a GM, Morey's teams have yet to reach a single NBA Finals. He thinks of himself as some kind of savant GM, yet 4+ months later no deal has been made.

I hope for both Simmons sake and the Sixers players sake that a deal gets done because both sides are the losers here but with Morey's huge ego, that seems impossible at this point.

[cool93]

Fine him until the end of his contract, and let the other owners share the cost under the table to end this type of behavior.

I’m not gonna cry crocodile tears for the stinkin’ owners and whatever impulsive move their front office makes, but Ben has singled handedly crippled the trend towards stars completely calling the shots, by behaving so despicably that the Players Association has no stomach to back him up. Definitely no pressure on Daryl not to wait on his best deal, and no groundswell for Ben to collect on a contract he will not fulfill.

You are kidding yourself if you think that the Ben Simmons situation isn't going to be front and center at the next NBPA negotiation.

Agents and players around the league are paying attention and the message sent is this:

Any team can trade you but if you ask for a trade be prepared to be fined and forced to sit out.

I get it, you are Sixers fan who is upset that 33M of your cap space has been tied up for over 1/3 of the regular season.

But let's stop acting like Ben Simmons is hated league round by other players, they all are watching this situation closely and wondering "what if I dont want to play for the team I signed a contract with, is the same thing going to happen to me?"

And just so you know, no NBA star will ever sign with the Sixers as long as Morey is the GM so if anyone lost from this charade it's the Sixers organization and the fans.

He asked for a deal 4+ months ago and his trade value continues to plummet. Morey tried moving him during last year's trade deadline and refused to throw in the required pieces to get the Harden deal done.

As usual Morey expected his trade partner to give up way more than they should so he can "win the trade" and feed his massive ego. He played his cards wrong considering he was dealing with his former boss and considering Harden had been asking out of Houston and he would have been the perfect pairing for Embiid, most likely ending in at least a Final's appearance esp considering the Nets almost went to the FInals without two of their top three players.

As of last season your team did not have the pieces necessary to make the Finals even in an injury depleted shortened season. What makes you think that the same team minus Ben Simmons is going to go further than they did last year?

Sixers fans are quick to forget that the guy averaged 12 pts, 8 rebounds, and 9 assists on 8 FG attempts while shooting 62% in last year's playoffs. You think your team is going to perform better than that without a guy that is almost averaging a triple double while playing top tier level defense?

This isnt about Ben Simmons, it's about Morey's ego, and now it's too late as no one wants to touch Simmons given the narrative surrounding the situation in the last 4+ months.

Harden had way more value than Simmons but because he asked out look at what the Rockets got in return.

Oh, no, stars will stop lining up to sign with Sixers, lmao. Please, think before typing, man.
And you are right about Simmons case being impactful for NBA future. Owners should ask themselves, why would tge league have 4-5 years long contract if any star can just force a trade at any time. Lockout would be pretty much inevitable and it would hurt players much more than owners.

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[cool93]

Of course he should play if he is able to having signed a contract to do so, and for a huge amount of money at that, and it would seem likely he has every intention of getting a huge amount of money somewhere else. If he wants to retire he can of course do so.

I tend to agree Morey’s ego is involved and him trying to demonstrate what an ace he is comes into it as well though. I can’t see that the Sixers realistically want him to play for them in current circumstances, they are using his absence as motivation, or that Morey was realistically trying to trade him pre season. If as the Sixers fans are saying the endgame is to wait till a high level player who can help the Sixers title aspirations in this year next to a prime Embiid that may well be a plan a good plan and a plan it is their right to pursue given their investment in him, but that they want him to play is something of a charade on my view. He has burnt his bridges but so have they.

This

Seth Curry is Doc’s son in law

He’s admitted that Ben isn’t a distraction because he’s not around

If he comes back (won’t happen) then whole dynamic changes

Global media attention will be on the Sixers because of one guy & every single interaction between Simmons & Joel/Doc will be scrutinised

Then you have the players

Whether people like to admit it or not, Ben is our 2nd best player with daylight 3rd

Players roles & minutes will change

That’s bound to create tension

They are 15-13 and 5 games back of the 1st seed - therefore they are worse than they were last season.

Love how you didn't mention that Sixers were hit HARD by covid before it started hitting everyone now. They played a lot of games missing multiple starters not counting Simmons. Add 2-3 wins if they were slightly more healthy and all of a sadden they would be in the mix.
Any team would be worse without their all star, but you have to use context, mate.

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[Tomjas]

This

Seth Curry is Doc’s son in law

He’s admitted that Ben isn’t a distraction because he’s not around

If he comes back (won’t happen) then whole dynamic changes

Global media attention will be on the Sixers because of one guy & every single interaction between Simmons & Joel/Doc will be scrutinised

Then you have the players

Whether people like to admit it or not, Ben is our 2nd best player with daylight 3rd

Players roles & minutes will change

That’s bound to create tension

They are 15-13 and 5 games back of the 1st seed - therefore they are worse than they were last season.

Love how you didn't mention that Sixers were hit HARD by covid before it started hitting everyone now. They played a lot of games missing multiple starters not counting Simmons. Add 2-3 wins if they were slightly more healthy and all of a sadden they would be in the mix.
Any team would be worse without their all star, but you have to use context, mate.

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Keep ignoring the obvious

I am a Sixers fan

Sixers went through a honeymoon period but have done incredibly well to be where we are when you consider that our highest paid player is Tobias freakin’ Harris

Thanks Elton