Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[13th Man]

Maybe people are reporting it because the media has purposely mislead them?

The president speculated that injecting bleach into the lungs would help with COVID. That is a fact. You can say, "Well, he just meant SOMETHING LIKE injecting bleach into lungs," but that doesn't materially change the absurdity of the statement.

The president is in the middle of a pandemic, speaking to the nation as a whole, and chose to speculate about at best non-sensical and at worst obviously dangerous medical techniques. There is simply no excuse, it's irresponsible and indicative of his complete inability to lead during this crisis.

The irony is that even this is a step up from him either denying that there is a problem at all (which he did for weeks) or him blaming everyone else for the lack of preparation for a crisis (which he is currently doing). He just got done campaigning for a drug that doesn't work. He needs to shut his mouth and let the experts lead, because he's incapable of doing so responsibly.

Where did he mention injecting bleach into the lungs? You guys are making stuff up as fact.

The true fact of the matter is that this nonsensical blunder has little or no impact on the pandemic at all. It was a dumb but really a non-issue. The media and his haters are like a pack of hyenas, constantly sniping at him looking for whatever scraps they can get. You got your nice piece of scrap, enjoy it while it lasts. The rest of the country and world needs to move on from this silly incident to address the real issues on hand.

[Fairview4Life]

Sorry but that's not how logic works. If you don't believe that he was truly being sarcastic, we which both agreed that it wasn't, then this invalidates the original argument. You can't use a falsehood to validate points from on another argument.

He said something. You said he didn't actually say that thing. He then said No, really, that's exactly what I said. That means your little rant about how the media just didn't understand what he really meant was entirely wrong. This isn't a debatable point. The moron himself made your entire argument moot. He is trying to pretend it was a sarcastic comment, but that is also clearly a lie But sarcastic or not, he said the words he meant to say. That means your particular line of defense for him is wrong. He, himself, is agreeing with how the media interpreted his comments. Just trying to make up a lie after the fact about his intent so he doesn't look like the moron he is.

[MotownMadness]

The question is: are the numbers of the USA correct? How many people have died because they can't afford going to the hospitals? How many deaths have not (yet) been counted?

Hell, your president does the same like I do now, when he claims China's numbers aren't correct (they aren't btw).

The question is not which country has handled it the best or the worst. USA clearly hasn't, just like so many other countries (Belgium included). But that doesn't mean you have to come on television and start talking nonsense (I'm not calling it lies because I really think he believes what he says, which is maybe even more dangerous).

If you really want to talk about this in a serious way, the only real numbers you can really on it the numbers of extra deaths that are counted (into comparison with the years before).

NY Times had your answer for you.
For instance:
Spain: +66%
Netherlands + 33%
Belgium + 25%
New York City + 300%

No numbers for the USA in total, but because of a lot of states not being that dense, it's probably a lot lower?
But I wouldn't start that this is handled well, when we are just at the start of this (who knows what delay there is on California fi) and we don't have the real numbers.

But I wouldn't tell a New Yorker (and for sure not a medic) it was handled well. Belgium has never had those issues and war scenarios, although according to your stats we are impacted much worse

Why would that happen? Its not like you would be denied healthcare completely over insurance. I dont think people would choose to die over paying back a medical bill whatever they can a month.

You do know that a 'normal' 2 weeks in hospital for Corona treatment will probably cost you (no insurrance because that's too expensive) 8000 dollars?

You do know that?

And if you do know, than tell me how many people don't even have to money to pay the rent for next month.

Yeah that sucks but you can only pay what you can. Give them 5 bucks a month and avoid garnishment. Or just die cause the monthly bill your gonna get.


Have some of you ever been broke? Even hearing people scared about house payments. You can get programs after not paying for like 6 months and have payments back loaded to your mortgage.

So who is just dying in the streets and being refused medical care in America?

[MotownMadness]

Sorry but that's not how logic works. If you don't believe that he was truly being sarcastic, we which both agreed that it wasn't, then this invalidates the original argument. You can't use a falsehood to validate points from on another argument.

He said something. You said he didn't actually say that thing. He then said No, really, that's exactly what I said. That means your little rant about how the media just didn't understand what he really meant was entirely wrong. This isn't a debatable point. The moron himself made your entire argument moot. He is trying to pretend it was a sarcastic comment, but that is also clearly a lie But sarcastic or not, he said the words he meant to say. That means your particular line of defense for him is wrong. He, himself, is agreeing with how the media interpreted his comments. Just trying to make up a lie after the fact about his intent so he doesn't look like the moron he is.

Lol, the media is such bias trash and its not gonna rig you a election like its hoping too. If you really cared about the virus and the dangers then why Biden?

You dont think more would have died by him not instituting travel bans cause its racist? Or do you ignore that and his rape allegations just cause hes a democrat and CNN tells you what you to do?

Does the media even talk bad about Biden? Lol the bias is nuts where they worry about what animal died in Trumps dinner and hide Biden cause hes incapable of telling the difference between his wife and sister.

[Fairview4Life]

Sorry but that's not how logic works. If you don't believe that he was truly being sarcastic, we which both agreed that it wasn't, then this invalidates the original argument. You can't use a falsehood to validate points from on another argument.

He said something. You said he didn't actually say that thing. He then said No, really, that's exactly what I said. That means your little rant about how the media just didn't understand what he really meant was entirely wrong. This isn't a debatable point. The moron himself made your entire argument moot. He is trying to pretend it was a sarcastic comment, but that is also clearly a lie But sarcastic or not, he said the words he meant to say. That means your particular line of defense for him is wrong. He, himself, is agreeing with how the media interpreted his comments. Just trying to make up a lie after the fact about his intent so he doesn't look like the moron he is.

Lol, the media is such bias trash and its not gonna rig you a election like its hoping too. If you really cared about the virus and the dangers then why Biden?

You dont think more would have died by him not instituting travel bans cause its racist? Or do you ignore that and his rape allegations just cause hes a democrat and CNN tells you what you to do?

Does the media even talk bad about Biden? Lol thee bias is nuts where they worry about what abimal died in Trumps dinner and hide Biden cause hes incapable of telling the difference between his wife and sister.

I have no idea what any of that has to do with what I posted. What the hell are you even babbling about?

[yosemiteben]

Maybe people are reporting it because the media has purposely mislead them?

The president speculated that injecting bleach into the lungs would help with COVID. That is a fact. You can say, "Well, he just meant SOMETHING LIKE injecting bleach into lungs," but that doesn't materially change the absurdity of the statement.

The president is in the middle of a pandemic, speaking to the nation as a whole, and chose to speculate about at best non-sensical and at worst obviously dangerous medical techniques. There is simply no excuse, it's irresponsible and indicative of his complete inability to lead during this crisis.

The irony is that even this is a step up from him either denying that there is a problem at all (which he did for weeks) or him blaming everyone else for the lack of preparation for a crisis (which he is currently doing). He just got done campaigning for a drug that doesn't work. He needs to shut his mouth and let the experts lead, because he's incapable of doing so responsibly.

Where did he mention injecting bleach into the lungs? You guys are making stuff up as fact.

The disinfectant used to decontaminate contains bleach. Even if it didn't, it's still incredibly dangerous to inject into one's lungs.

Read the quote, he talks about injecting it so it can get into the lungs.

Also how do you not feel like a total stooge defending this when Trump says it was sarcastic and not intended to be taken seriously?

The true fact of the matter is that this nonsensical blunder has little or no impact on the pandemic at all. It was a dumb but really a non-issue. The media and his haters are like a pack of hyenas, constantly sniping at him looking for whatever scraps they can get. You got your nice piece of scrap, enjoy it while it lasts. The rest of the country and world needs to move on from this silly incident to address the real issues on hand.

This is comical. Trump shines the spotlight on himself, constantly brags about the ratings on his updates, yet it's the media that's desparate for attention or scraps / steady streams of nonsense?

It's a big deal because there is literally no reason he should be speculating on healthcare treatment options. He is completely unqualified, just like he was completely unqualified to promote drugs that have since been proven not to work. He wants to get the credit for an easy fix that he cannot possibly find or deserve credit for.

[MotownMadness]

He said something. You said he didn't actually say that thing. He then said No, really, that's exactly what I said. That means your little rant about how the media just didn't understand what he really meant was entirely wrong. This isn't a debatable point. The moron himself made your entire argument moot. He is trying to pretend it was a sarcastic comment, but that is also clearly a lie But sarcastic or not, he said the words he meant to say. That means your particular line of defense for him is wrong. He, himself, is agreeing with how the media interpreted his comments. Just trying to make up a lie after the fact about his intent so he doesn't look like the moron he is.

Lol, the media is such bias trash and its not gonna rig you a election like its hoping too. If you really cared about the virus and the dangers then why Biden?

You dont think more would have died by him not instituting travel bans cause its racist? Or do you ignore that and his rape allegations just cause hes a democrat and CNN tells you what you to do?

Does the media even talk bad about Biden? Lol thee bias is nuts where they worry about what abimal died in Trumps dinner and hide Biden cause hes incapable of telling the difference between his wife and sister.

I have no idea what any of that has to do with what I posted. What the hell are you even babbling about?

Basically just means the media is a bias joke and your going for the ride

[wade44]

Since everyone (including mods) wants to make this thread a major political affair, what do you all think of the Biden rape allegation?

[Fairview4Life]

Basically just means the media is a bias joke and your going for the ride

Ah yes, the biased media who Trump agrees reported his words correctly in the case. Great job.

You like his policies, great. Vote for that. Enough of this gas lighting **** though. Just say you like what he is doing and stop lying about this stuff.

[MotownMadness]

The president speculated that injecting bleach into the lungs would help with COVID. That is a fact. You can say, "Well, he just meant SOMETHING LIKE injecting bleach into lungs," but that doesn't materially change the absurdity of the statement.

The president is in the middle of a pandemic, speaking to the nation as a whole, and chose to speculate about at best non-sensical and at worst obviously dangerous medical techniques. There is simply no excuse, it's irresponsible and indicative of his complete inability to lead during this crisis.

The irony is that even this is a step up from him either denying that there is a problem at all (which he did for weeks) or him blaming everyone else for the lack of preparation for a crisis (which he is currently doing). He just got done campaigning for a drug that doesn't work. He needs to shut his mouth and let the experts lead, because he's incapable of doing so responsibly.

Where did he mention injecting bleach into the lungs? You guys are making stuff up as fact.

The disinfectant used to decontaminate contains bleach. Even if it didn't, it's still incredibly dangerous to inject into one's lungs.

Read the quote, he talks about injecting it so it can get into the lungs.

Also how do you not feel like a total stooge defending this when Trump says it was sarcastic and not intended to be taken seriously?

The true fact of the matter is that this nonsensical blunder has little or no impact on the pandemic at all. It was a dumb but really a non-issue. The media and his haters are like a pack of hyenas, constantly sniping at him looking for whatever scraps they can get. You got your nice piece of scrap, enjoy it while it lasts. The rest of the country and world needs to move on from this silly incident to address the real issues on hand.

This is comical. Trump shines the spotlight on himself, constantly brags about the ratings on his updates, yet it's the media that's desparate for attention or scraps / steady streams of nonsense?

It's a big deal because there is literally no reason he should be speculating on healthcare treatment options. He is completely unqualified, just like he was completely unqualified to promote drugs that have since been proven not to work. He wants to get the credit for an easy fix that he cannot possibly find or deserve credit for.

Did you actially inject yourself with bleach or know a idiot who would. I mean this is seriously dangerous and confusing times. Do you think i should drink laundry soap if im out of bleach to help? Im so confused what to do in life without being told by the media not to inject bleach!!!

Give me a break

[MotownMadness]

Basically just means the media is a bias joke and your going for the ride

Ah yes, the biased media who Trump agrees reported his words correctly in the case. Great job.

You like his policies, great. Vote for that. Enough of this gas lighting **** though. Just say you like what he is doing and stop lying about this stuff.

I'll just vote for him like many others too keep the radical hijacked democratic party out. Also to watch the media trip out and try to figure out why people dont trust them.

It just became a guarantee when Biden was made the nominee.

[Fairview4Life]

Basically just means the media is a bias joke and your going for the ride

Ah yes, the biased media who Trump agrees reported his words correctly in the case. Great job.

You like his policies, great. Vote for that. Enough of this gas lighting **** though. Just say you like what he is doing and stop lying about this stuff.

I'll just for him like many others too keep the rafical hijacked democratic party out.

It just became a guarantee when Biden was made the nominee.

Good for you! There is no need to lie about any of this other crap then.

[MotownMadness]

Ah yes, the biased media who Trump agrees reported his words correctly in the case. Great job.

You like his policies, great. Vote for that. Enough of this gas lighting **** though. Just say you like what he is doing and stop lying about this stuff.

I'll just for him like many others too keep the rafical hijacked democratic party out.

It just became a guarantee when Biden was made the nominee.

Good for you! There is no need to lie about any of this other crap then.

Why not talk about how bad democrats screwed up especially in NY? Cuomo, Blasio, Pelosi, Biden all downplayed or cried racism/fear mongering and downright got alot of people killed early with identity politics.

Does your media report on that?

[yosemiteben]

Where did he mention injecting bleach into the lungs? You guys are making stuff up as fact.

The disinfectant used to decontaminate contains bleach. Even if it didn't, it's still incredibly dangerous to inject into one's lungs.

Read the quote, he talks about injecting it so it can get into the lungs.

Also how do you not feel like a total stooge defending this when Trump says it was sarcastic and not intended to be taken seriously?

The true fact of the matter is that this nonsensical blunder has little or no impact on the pandemic at all. It was a dumb but really a non-issue. The media and his haters are like a pack of hyenas, constantly sniping at him looking for whatever scraps they can get. You got your nice piece of scrap, enjoy it while it lasts. The rest of the country and world needs to move on from this silly incident to address the real issues on hand.

This is comical. Trump shines the spotlight on himself, constantly brags about the ratings on his updates, yet it's the media that's desparate for attention or scraps / steady streams of nonsense?

It's a big deal because there is literally no reason he should be speculating on healthcare treatment options. He is completely unqualified, just like he was completely unqualified to promote drugs that have since been proven not to work. He wants to get the credit for an easy fix that he cannot possibly find or deserve credit for.

Did you actially inject yourself with bleach or know a idiot who would. I mean this is seriously dangerous and confusing times. Do you think i should drink laundry soap if im out of bleach to help? Im so confused what to do in life without being told by the media not to inject bleach!!!

Give me a break

Then why on earth is the president speculating in front of millions of Americans desparate for a solution that getting disinfectant in your lungs is a possible solution that should be considered? How can that not be characterized as irresponsible?

When the president speaks to the American people in a pandemic, we should never have to say "Well that's so obviously **** stupid that it can't be held against him for saying it."

[MotownMadness]

The disinfectant used to decontaminate contains bleach. Even if it didn't, it's still incredibly dangerous to inject into one's lungs.

Read the quote, he talks about injecting it so it can get into the lungs.

Also how do you not feel like a total stooge defending this when Trump says it was sarcastic and not intended to be taken seriously?


This is comical. Trump shines the spotlight on himself, constantly brags about the ratings on his updates, yet it's the media that's desparate for attention or scraps / steady streams of nonsense?

It's a big deal because there is literally no reason he should be speculating on healthcare treatment options. He is completely unqualified, just like he was completely unqualified to promote drugs that have since been proven not to work. He wants to get the credit for an easy fix that he cannot possibly find or deserve credit for.

Did you actially inject yourself with bleach or know a idiot who would. I mean this is seriously dangerous and confusing times. Do you think i should drink laundry soap if im out of bleach to help? Im so confused what to do in life without being told by the media not to inject bleach!!!

Give me a break

Then why on earth is the president speculating in front of millions of Americans desparate for a solution that getting disinfectant in your lungs is a possible solution that should be considered? How can that not be characterized as irresponsible?

Because he wants you all to die and hopes your crazy enough to drink bleach. Clearly thats the only logical answer.

IDK why Trump says some of the crazy things he says. Hes one of the most unique characters ever which is why hes such high ratings.

The bigger problem is that some of you as adults are actually dumb enough to inject disinfectant in your body cause the TV said something about it.

[MotownMadness]

Since everyone (including mods) wants to make this thread a major political affair, what do you all think of the Biden rape allegation?

shhh, thats a secret. These people only care about human rights depending on how they vote.

That or they never heard about it through the non bias media.

[yosemiteben]

The president should act like things he says matters, especially in a confusing pandemic, and especially when the whole point of these sessions is to allow Americans to become more informed.

Blaming people for listening to the president makes no sense.

We need actual facts to be disseminated. It's difficult enough to understand what is going on and what can be done about it. We don't need the president to be speculating about hazardous procedures right now, it shows very poor leadership that he chose to do that, and even moreso that he said he specifically spread misinformation to essentially troll the media during a national presser.

[bidde]

I don't think so. But lets try and get this thread off of all the Trump discussion. There is enough of that on the boards that it's for. I know this is a hard topic to discuss without talking about him and what he does but lets try to talk about how it's impacting various people, cities, countries, #s, tests, experiences, etc.

Great idea!

[13th Man]

Sorry but that's not how logic works. If you don't believe that he was truly being sarcastic, we which both agreed that it wasn't, then this invalidates the original argument. You can't use a falsehood to validate points from on another argument.

He said something. You said he didn't actually say that thing. He then said No, really, that's exactly what I said. That means your little rant about how the media just didn't understand what he really meant was entirely wrong. This isn't a debatable point. The moron himself made your entire argument moot. He is trying to pretend it was a sarcastic comment, but that is also clearly a lie But sarcastic or not, he said the words he meant to say. That means your particular line of defense for him is wrong. He, himself, is agreeing with how the media interpreted his comments. Just trying to make up a lie after the fact about his intent so he doesn't look like the moron he is.

He said A, people accuse him of saying B
I said that he did not say B
He then says that he was being sarcastic about saying B
We both agreed that he was not being sarcastic. This has no merit therefore invalidating B.

[13th Man]

The president speculated that injecting bleach into the lungs would help with COVID. That is a fact. You can say, "Well, he just meant SOMETHING LIKE injecting bleach into lungs," but that doesn't materially change the absurdity of the statement.

The president is in the middle of a pandemic, speaking to the nation as a whole, and chose to speculate about at best non-sensical and at worst obviously dangerous medical techniques. There is simply no excuse, it's irresponsible and indicative of his complete inability to lead during this crisis.

The irony is that even this is a step up from him either denying that there is a problem at all (which he did for weeks) or him blaming everyone else for the lack of preparation for a crisis (which he is currently doing). He just got done campaigning for a drug that doesn't work. He needs to shut his mouth and let the experts lead, because he's incapable of doing so responsibly.

Where did he mention injecting bleach into the lungs? You guys are making stuff up as fact.

The disinfectant used to decontaminate contains bleach. Even if it didn't, it's still incredibly dangerous to inject into one's lungs.

Read the quote, he talks about injecting it so it can get into the lungs.

Also how do you not feel like a total stooge defending this when Trump says it was sarcastic and not intended to be taken seriously?

The true fact of the matter is that this nonsensical blunder has little or no impact on the pandemic at all. It was a dumb but really a non-issue. The media and his haters are like a pack of hyenas, constantly sniping at him looking for whatever scraps they can get. You got your nice piece of scrap, enjoy it while it lasts. The rest of the country and world needs to move on from this silly incident to address the real issues on hand.

This is comical. Trump shines the spotlight on himself, constantly brags about the ratings on his updates, yet it's the media that's desparate for attention or scraps / steady streams of nonsense?

It's a big deal because there is literally no reason he should be speculating on healthcare treatment options. He is completely unqualified, just like he was completely unqualified to promote drugs that have since been proven not to work. He wants to get the credit for an easy fix that he cannot possibly find or deserve credit for.

First of all he never suggested anything, he was simply asking if it was possible? Secondly, he never directly talked about injecting disinfectant, he said SOMETHING LIKE.

The media has spun it into him suggesting that people inject disinfectants into their bodies. This is not what happened at all but that is what you guys all want to believe that it did.