2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1)

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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1181 » by kdthunderup » Wed May 28, 2025 2:42 am

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LSWF wrote:A truly classic whataboutism :roll:

More like a classic case of throwing stones in a glass house. I never said SGA doesn’t exaggerates contact, I just find it ironic when it often coms from fans with some of the biggest flippers in the league.

It's funny how as a wolves fan, I don't see Joker flopping much when we play him. Could it be that he reads what the refs are doing for the other team, takes note, and responds in kind?

Could it be that you’re 3-1 down are trying to find anyway to be a victim?
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1182 » by lethalizer » Wed May 28, 2025 2:59 am

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MrPainfulTruth wrote:You mean if someone pulled a Dort on them like they did to Ja Morant? Take his legs out mid air? Oh wait, thats his "great physical defense" i guess :lol:
The Thunder beat them by 50 and Ja played the entire game, I highly doubt Dort or anyone else on the Thunder were worried about him, especially to the point of intentionally injuring him lol.

What was the score of the game when Dort took out Ja, remind us...? Who was getting blown out until their best player got injured by "accident" by the same guy who tries it agian and again?


If I were you I'd immediately have a physical exam.

The sodium intake levels must be off the charts.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1183 » by LSWF » Wed May 28, 2025 3:02 am

kdthunderup wrote:
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kdthunderup wrote:More like a classic case of throwing stones in a glass house. I never said SGA doesn’t exaggerates contact, I just find it ironic when it often coms from fans with some of the biggest flippers in the league.

It's funny how as a wolves fan, I don't see Joker flopping much when we play him. Could it be that he reads what the refs are doing for the other team, takes note, and responds in kind?

Could it be that you’re 3-1 down are trying to find anyway to be a victim?

I never expected this wolves team to compete this far into the PO. I am on record as saying that all I really wanted was to crush the Lakers in the first round. I have said we are playing with house money at this point. Is that a way to "be a victim"? I have been consistent with my view on unethical/floopish basketball. I have said that if Ant ever starts flopping, it will be a very sad day for me. Joker don't flop against the wolves. I wonder why that is.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1184 » by MagicMamba88 » Wed May 28, 2025 4:59 am

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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1186 » by Xatticus » Wed May 28, 2025 5:32 am

AbeVigodaLive wrote:
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Right now, it's the Timberwolves vs. Thunder... so the "whataboutisms" don't cut it.

The egregious flopping in this series has been decidedly one-sided.

[Note: Every NBA team has about a dozen coaches. There's no reason why MN shouldn't have one solely dedicated to helping Edwards learn the nuances of FT merchantry. As teams fight and scramble for fractions of differences around the margins... the Timberwolves have multiple points every game sitting there... available. I think we'll be seeing it more flopping from Edwards next year.]


It's not whataboutism to compare how people react differently to different players doing the same thing (as recently as like 10 days ago) to conclude that maybe these are not principled objections for many of the loudest ones.



This thread is about OKC vs. MN.

- One team has a decided and objective advantage in this series with flopping.
- I'm just wondering why some OKC fans can't own it... just because it's their favorite team/player?


OKC has many “decided” advantages in this series, though I don’t know how you can conclude that flopping is among them considering that Minnesota has attempted more free throws in the series.

In any event, the solution is straightforward. If you take issue with SGA shooting free throws, then you should probably stop fouling him.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1187 » by MrPainfulTruth » Wed May 28, 2025 6:30 am

lethalizer wrote:
MrPainfulTruth wrote:
WestbrookGOATed wrote:The Thunder beat them by 50 and Ja played the entire game, I highly doubt Dort or anyone else on the Thunder were worried about him, especially to the point of intentionally injuring him lol.

What was the score of the game when Dort took out Ja, remind us...? Who was getting blown out until their best player got injured by "accident" by the same guy who tries it agian and again?


If I were you I'd immediately have a physical exam.

The sodium intake levels must be off the charts.

Translation: I dont want to talk about my team getting away with hacking holding and injuring people so i rather attack the guy personally.

OK then. Your buddy said the flagrant (it wasnt even called as one) of Dort did happen in a blowout, and indeed it did. But it was OKC being blown out, until they took the other teams' MVP out for the season. Meanwhile, SGA gets the ridiculous calls.

A reminder:

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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1188 » by lethalizer » Wed May 28, 2025 6:40 am

MrPainfulTruth wrote:
lethalizer wrote:
MrPainfulTruth wrote:What was the score of the game when Dort took out Ja, remind us...? Who was getting blown out until their best player got injured by "accident" by the same guy who tries it agian and again?


If I were you I'd immediately have a physical exam.

The sodium intake levels must be off the charts.

Translation: I dont want to talk about my team getting away with hacking holding and injuring people so i rather attack the guy personally.

OK then. Your buddy said the flagrant (it wasnt even called as one) of Dort did happen in a blowout, and indeed it did. But it was OKC being blown out, until they took the other teams' MVP out for the season. Meanwhile, SGA gets the ridiculous calls.

A reminder:



Seeing an actual crying Nugget out in the wild is an incredible scientific breakthrough.

We should alert the FBI, CIA, and of course, NASA about this development.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1189 » by MrPainfulTruth » Wed May 28, 2025 7:32 am

lethalizer wrote:
MrPainfulTruth wrote:
lethalizer wrote:
If I were you I'd immediately have a physical exam.

The sodium intake levels must be off the charts.

Translation: I dont want to talk about my team getting away with hacking holding and injuring people so i rather attack the guy personally.

OK then. Your buddy said the flagrant (it wasnt even called as one) of Dort did happen in a blowout, and indeed it did. But it was OKC being blown out, until they took the other teams' MVP out for the season. Meanwhile, SGA gets the ridiculous calls.

A reminder:



Seeing an actual crying Nugget out in the wild is an incredible scientific breakthrough.

We should alert the FBI, CIA, and of course, NASA about this development.

Your contribution to the debate is incredibly valuable. Keep it coming! :lol: its a long way from Istanbul to Oklahoma...will you be allowed to travel out to join the parade?
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1190 » by lethalizer » Wed May 28, 2025 7:41 am

MrPainfulTruth wrote:Your contribution to the debate is incredibly valuable. Keep it coming! :lol: its a long way from Istanbul to Oklahoma...will you be allowed to travel out to join the parade?


If you had a speculation worthy of a debate, believe me I'd join it. What you're doing, or rather attempting to do, is not a debate.

When I see stuff not discussion worthy, I try to humor it by using.. humor.

I've been a fan for 17 years and have a lot of friends in the state, so yeah if I actually could travel I'd be more than welcome to join the parade if OKC won the chip.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1191 » by DrModesty » Wed May 28, 2025 9:36 am

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MN7725 wrote:
Malcolm Brogdon on a minimum contract


I think the Thunder would play him off the floor, and we have also seen in the past that when he is tasked at being a primary playmaker that those teams have struggled badly. Brogdon is a secondary ball handler and always has been.


all true

and would still be an improvement


Possibly. I prefer the clinical decision making of Mike Conley to Brogdan, but I think they would be close enough in effectiveness that sometimes Brogdan would be more effective than Conley and vice-versa.

To get a real difference maker though, I think you have to look at point guard play the level of a Fred Van Vleet or equivalent, and as we are seeing, that type of player commands a hefty price tag. FVV in particular was overpaid because the Rockets were bad and had huge cap space to 'convince' veterans to join a bad team. But I think he probably still would have gotten 30ish at the time in a typical market.

Ultimately game manager is a quite rare trait in the league, and when you have a super star shooting guard it makes a game manager less useful too. The Cavaliers for example have a genuine game manager in Garland, but Mitchell (Who is very similar caliber to Ant right now) can't help but take over the game as it is what his talent and skill set demands. We saw the same to an extent with Mitchell paired with a closer to prime Conley, though that team had a terrible perimeter defense to overcome as well.

Ant has to be the man to level up here. We have seen guys like Shai, Tatum, Giannis, DeRozan and Zion all become more effective playmakers over time without a high base line, so it can be done. But none of these guys (even Shai) are elite at it, and I feel like Ant has quite a long way to go to even reach their levels. Something else that doesn't help Ant and the Wolves here is that their other players don't have too much to contribute in this area either, other than Randle. Gobert, Naz, NAW, DDV, McDaniels are all average to below average passers and team creators relative to position.

I really dislike the side of Ant that we see off the court with the absenteeism, but he is an exciting player so I hope he can round his game out for Minnesota's sake.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1192 » by WestbrookGOATed » Wed May 28, 2025 12:16 pm

MrPainfulTruth wrote:
lethalizer wrote:
MrPainfulTruth wrote:What was the score of the game when Dort took out Ja, remind us...? Who was getting blown out until their best player got injured by "accident" by the same guy who tries it agian and again?


If I were you I'd immediately have a physical exam.

The sodium intake levels must be off the charts.

Translation: I dont want to talk about my team getting away with hacking holding and injuring people so i rather attack the guy personally.

OK then. Your buddy said the flagrant (it wasnt even called as one) of Dort did happen in a blowout, and indeed it did. But it was OKC being blown out, until they took the other teams' MVP out for the season. Meanwhile, SGA gets the ridiculous calls.

A reminder:

I didn't even know you were a Nuggets fan :lol: makes perfect sense. Cope harder.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1193 » by bbms » Wed May 28, 2025 1:44 pm

last game was the highest stakes game for both teams in the season.

it was also arguably the highest quality basketball game of the 2025 nba season.

timberwolves lost. thunder won. convincingly.

i expect thunder to close it tonight.

thunder up.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1194 » by AbeVigodaLive » Wed May 28, 2025 2:19 pm

Xatticus wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
It's not whataboutism to compare how people react differently to different players doing the same thing (as recently as like 10 days ago) to conclude that maybe these are not principled objections for many of the loudest ones.



This thread is about OKC vs. MN.

- One team has a decided and objective advantage in this series with flopping.
- I'm just wondering why some OKC fans can't own it... just because it's their favorite team/player?


OKC has many “decided” advantages in this series, though I don’t know how you can conclude that flopping is among them considering that Minnesota has attempted more free throws in the series.

In any event, the solution is straightforward. If you take issue with SGA shooting free throws, then you should probably stop fouling him.



LOL.

You can't be serious with this 3,000-foot cursory take.

Although I agree OKC is decidedly the better team. The rest of your take is so high-level and void of context that... ahh... nevermind. I see you're an OKC fan, not necessarily an NBA fan.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1195 » by AbeVigodaLive » Wed May 28, 2025 2:21 pm

Patches Perry wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Patches Perry wrote:
Source: trust me bro




Ha. Fair enough.

You're not interested in a serious discussion in good faith. You're just one of THOSE types of posters. All good. Now I know.


Good faith discussion is not possible on a bad faith claim. Conspiracies should be mocked, not taken seriously. Hopefully that helps you understand where I'm coming from.




Conspiracy? WTH?

Nobody claimed anything about a conspiracy... except you.

LOL.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1196 » by GeorgeSears » Wed May 28, 2025 2:28 pm

If a home team gets 63 points from their bench, and 21 offensive rebounds, and hits 18 3s, and scores 126 points, that's usually a recipe for success... unless they give up 128 points to the road team.

Game 4 was their best shot at making this a series.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1197 » by slick_watts » Wed May 28, 2025 2:47 pm

you know the thunder are an all-time great team by how much crying and hand wringing over fouls is happening in this thread.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1198 » by Handlez » Wed May 28, 2025 2:49 pm

MrPainfulTruth wrote:
lethalizer wrote:
MrPainfulTruth wrote:What was the score of the game when Dort took out Ja, remind us...? Who was getting blown out until their best player got injured by "accident" by the same guy who tries it agian and again?


If I were you I'd immediately have a physical exam.

The sodium intake levels must be off the charts.

Translation: I dont want to talk about my team getting away with hacking holding and injuring people so i rather attack the guy personally.

OK then. Your buddy said the flagrant (it wasnt even called as one) of Dort did happen in a blowout, and indeed it did. But it was OKC being blown out, until they took the other teams' MVP out for the season. Meanwhile, SGA gets the ridiculous calls.

A reminder:



Dort dirty AF.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1199 » by whatisacenter » Wed May 28, 2025 3:21 pm

Handlez wrote:
MrPainfulTruth wrote:
lethalizer wrote:
If I were you I'd immediately have a physical exam.

The sodium intake levels must be off the charts.

Translation: I dont want to talk about my team getting away with hacking holding and injuring people so i rather attack the guy personally.

OK then. Your buddy said the flagrant (it wasnt even called as one) of Dort did happen in a blowout, and indeed it did. But it was OKC being blown out, until they took the other teams' MVP out for the season. Meanwhile, SGA gets the ridiculous calls.

A reminder:



Dort dirty AF.


:lol: this is all you got to show that Dort is dirty????

Watch the replay without your hater glasses on and you will see that Dort's feet come out from under him as he tries to turn around to defend the trailer.
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Re: 2025 WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #1 Oklahoma City Thunder vs #6 Minnesota Timberwolves (OKC leads 3-1) 

Post#1200 » by cjx » Wed May 28, 2025 3:43 pm

If Minny loses tonight, Ant Man is going to call KD and beg him to join the team. Bet that Ant Man will be crying on the call, lots of tears, because he never was MJ's son 8-)
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