Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 1st round picks and a TPE

[Fatty]

I feel like this is a meh trade for utah.. Even without boozer i feel like they can put up points, but they lack interior defense... The Lakers exposed that the last 2 years and I do not see how acquiring al helps that. Hopefully Fesenko develops...

I like the trade for minnesota.. The team is going to be a bottom feeder with or without jefferson might as well trim payroll and acquire some picks. Jefferson has proven he is not good enough to lead a team anywhere.. but i can see him playing well with the jazz

[moss_is_1]

I think more then anything the lakers killed them because of size. Al is a bit bigger than Boozer, and just as good of a rebounder. He also comes to play against the better players in the west(absolutely rapes Yao Ming).

[gensu3k1]

It's amazing that Kahn was so successful in driving down Al Jefferson's value that even hardcore NBA fans forget how good he is.

Guess what's next? They bench Love for Beasley and repeat the madness all over again next year.

[gensu3k1]

Jefferson put up 20-10 and was one of the league's 5 best low post scorers 2 years ago. What do you think will happen when he plays with a top 3 point guard?

[gensu3k1]

And people think the Grizzlies are stupid. Atleast the Grizzlies got Marc Gasol out of the deal and the flexibility to absorb Randolph's contract. Minnesota got flexibility to sign Luke Ridnour?

Minnesota is a freaking train wreck.

We got straight cap space and 2 picks. You got an okay player, and gave up a top 10 player.

Oh man. Marc Gasol is a wholllle lot better than "okay." Luke Ridnour is an "okay player." Darko Milicic dreams of one day being okay.

[LeHeatDynasty]

jazz r dumb tbh

[mefromthefuture]

How long till T-Wolves start the Fire Kahn website?

Alright go ahead and give a list of his really bad moves?

Don't worry I'll wait.

[erudite23]

I'm going to bookmark this thread for all the people that are downplaying this move. Is a huge win for the Jazz, and is every bit as much a steal as the Gasol trade. When that deal went down, everyone said that Gaslol was:

- A soft white Euro
- Had never won a playoff game
- A poor rebounder
- Not capable of anchoring a defense
- Good, but overpaid
- Not a born winner

Gasol also shot 50.8% in FGs with the Grizz, and is shooting 55.8% with the Lakers. I think you will see a similar jump in efficiency with Jefferson, as well as a greater commitment to defense. The Jazz are as well set up as any team in the West outside the Lakers.

[gensu3k1]

How long till T-Wolves start the Fire Kahn website?

I thought it was already up and running.

No, the revolt hasn't quite started yet.

[slick_watts]

Gasol also shot 50.8% in FGs with the Grizz, and is shooting 55.8% with the Lakers. I think you will see a similar jump in efficiency with Jefferson, as well as a greater commitment to defense. The Jazz are as well set up as any team in the West outside the Lakers.

Except the Jazz had a better player than Jefferson at PF last year and didn't win the West.

[moss_is_1]

And people think the Grizzlies are stupid. Atleast the Grizzlies got Marc Gasol out of the deal and the flexibility to absorb Randolph's contract. Minnesota got flexibility to sign Luke Ridnour?

Minnesota is a freaking train wreck.

We got straight cap space and 2 picks. You got an okay player, and gave up a top 10 player.

Oh man. Marc Gasol is a wholllle lot better than "okay." Luke Ridnour is an "okay player." Darko Milicic dreams of one day being okay.

Is he ever going to be a #2 on a title team? No? Okay then. I meant it as Marc was an okay prospect at the time of the trade. Also we take back no salary, Grizz took back Kwame and got Javaris Crittenton?

[gensu3k1]

How long till T-Wolves start the Fire Kahn website?

Alright go ahead and give a list of his really bad moves?

Don't worry I'll wait.

1. Jonny Flynn over Steph Curry (or any of the other superior PGs in the draft class)

2. Babbit and Gomes for Martell Webster

3. Passing on all the centers in this year's draft because he's all in on Darko.

4. Drafting Flynn and Rubio and somehow thinking that they can be a functional backcourt.

5. passing on the number 10 pick for Flynn after he had a full year to realize his mistake

6. Trading Ty Lawson for a future 1st that ends up becoming (along with Gomes) Martell Webster

7. Spending a year lowering Jefferson's value, then dumping him for first rounders

[Vindicater]

1. Jonny Flynn over Steph Curry (or any of the other superior PGs in the draft class)

2. Babbit and Gomes for Martell Webster

3. Passing on all the centers in this year's draft because he's all in on Darko.

4. Drafting Flynn and Rubio and somehow thinking that they can be a functional backcourt.

5. passing on the number 10 pick for Flynn after he had a full year to realize his mistake

6. Trading Ty Lawson for a future 1st that ends up becoming (along with Gomes) Martell Webster

7. Spending a year lowering Jefferson's value, then dumping him for first rounders

Oh please...

1). Flynn at draft time was linked strongly with Sacremento at the 4th pick. Blaming Khan for taking a point guard ranked higher on most mock draft sites going into the draft is ridiculous.

2). I like this trade for Minnesota, Gomes was garbage and Babbit will be another rookie. Webster is still only 24 and showed huge strides before injuring himself two years ago and being buried on a deep portland bench.

3). Correction, hes all in on Darko and Pekovic. Which centres did he pass up? Cousins at 4? Yes that may come back to bite him but Wesley Johnson i also a stud. who else, our next pick was 16 and there was no centre to rech for there nearly as good as Darko or Pekovic.

4). Half right, I dont think they can co-exist but I also dont think it w such a bad idea to draft tw point guards when he knew one would not be here for another 2 years.

5). Im fairly certain this trade rumour got shot down.

6). He didnt trade Ty Lawson. He traded the 18th pick o denver who had minnesota draft Ty Lawson for them. What would we do with Ty Lawson anyway? we allready drafted an undersized point guard in Flynn? Why the hll would we keep him?

7). He didnt spend a year lowering his value. He actually spent most of the year saying Jefferson was a future piece. Then he realised Jefferson is useless at the centre position and Love is going to be better power forward so had to trade him. m I happy with ou return? No. Did Jefferson have to go, yes.

[Lost Angel]

the Jazz shouldn't have done this deal, especially because Millsap is signed.


why not go after a stud wing player to pair with D-Wil? but, i do have to say I'm intrigued by the frontcourt of Jefferson and Millsap. Why do people think they will do better than the Jefferson/Love combo?

[mefromthefuture]

How long till T-Wolves start the Fire Kahn website?

Alright go ahead and give a list of his really bad moves?

Don't worry I'll wait.

1. Jonny Flynn over Steph Curry (or any of the other superior PGs in the draft class)

2. Babbit and Gomes for Martell Webster

3. Passing on all the centers in this year's draft because he's all in on Darko.

4. Drafting Flynn and Rubio and somehow thinking that they can be a functional backcourt.

5. passing on the number 10 pick for Flynn after he had a full year to realize his mistake

6. Trading Ty Lawson for a future 1st that ends up becoming (along with Gomes) Martell Webster

7. Spending a year lowering Jefferson's value, then dumping him for first rounders

1. Curry refused to be interviewed and workout by Minnesota who really should they have took remember Jennings was "horrible person and player" before and after the draft.

2. Gomes did not fit in Rambis system and they wanted to move him before his contract became guaranteed. This move is questionable but it's very likely Webster and Babbit will be at best role players at best.

3. And Pekovic questionable again but Wes Johnson improves the team athletically compared to last year with Gomes and Wilkins on the wing.

4. He wanted Evans/Rubio or Evans/Flynn he never thought Rubio would fall to the five and after Rubio stayed over at least he had a PG.

5. That would have been a bad deal in a draft with no real point guard prospects after Wall.

6. Denver told him to pick Lawson and then a trade was made. From the 17th pick until 21 they were all point guards. So should he have drafted and keep a PG their as well?

7. This one makes no sense after recovering from a injury last off season he had no trade value. Trading a guy to give Love and Beasley minutes for draft picks is a good move for team that after next season owes the clippers their first which is unprotected.

[carrottop12]

the Jazz shouldn't have done this deal, especially because Millsap is signed.


why not go after a stud wing player to pair with D-Wil? but, i do have to say I'm intrigued by the frontcourt of Jefferson and Millsap. Why do people think they will do better than the Jefferson/Love combo?

So you think going into next season the Jazz would be in better shape with a line up of...

Deron/Price/Gaines
Miles/Hayward
Igoudala/Kirilenko
Millsap/Koufos
Fesenko/Augustine/Okur (Injured)

rather than...

Deron/Price/Gaines
Miles/Brewer
Kirilenko/Hayward
Millsap/Koufos
Jefferson/Fesenko/Augustine/Okur (Injured)



Oh and the reason they will do better is because you have one of the best coaches in NBA history running the most consistent offense in NBA history with the best PG in the NBA.

That's why.

[gensu3k1]

1). Flynn at draft time was linked strongly with Sacremento at the 4th pick. Blaming Khan for taking a point guard ranked higher on most mock draft sites going into the draft is ridiculous.

LOL. Mock drafts are based on what GMs are thinking/what the conventional wisdom is, they are not an inarguable evaluation of talent. I guess by this argument, you think it was ok for Dumars to pick Darko, since so many mocks had him there?

2). I like this trade for Minnesota, Gomes was garbage and Babbit will be another rookie. Webster is still only 24 and showed huge strides before injuring himself two years ago and being buried on a deep portland bench.

Gomes is what Webster is: a mediocre role player.

3). Correction, hes all in on Darko and Pekovic. Which centres did he pass up? Cousins at 4? Yes that may come back to bite him but Wesley Johnson i also a stud. who else, our next pick was 16 and there was no centre to rech for there nearly as good as Darko or Pekovic.

He passed up all the centers in a center heavy draft except for Paulo Prestes. Whiteside, Alabi, Cousins, Aldrich, etc. etc.

Pekovic is too short and gravity-bound to be a full-time NBA center.

I would rather have Whiteside than Darko. At least with Whiteside there's hope. Instead the Wolves have Lazar Hayward, who will probably get 5 mpg.

5). Im fairly certain this trade rumour got shot down.

I'm fairly certain David Kahn publicly verified this trade rumor. Perhaps he was just lying though.

6). He didnt trade Ty Lawson. He traded the 18th pick o denver who had minnesota draft Ty Lawson for them. What would we do with Ty Lawson anyway? we allready drafted an undersized point guard in Flynn? Why the hll would we keep him?

Exactly, the Flynn pick led to a whole bunch of awful decisions down the road, just like Kahn going all in on Darko is leading to a whole bunch of awful decisions.

7). He didnt spend a year lowering his value. He actually spent most of the year saying Jefferson was a future piece. Then he realised Jefferson is useless at the centre position and Love is going to be better power forward so had to trade him. m I happy with ou return? No. Did Jefferson have to go, yes.

When you make it abundantly clear that you don't value a player, don't want to keep him, even go so far as to not consider him an NBA starter (according to the wolves' front office, Darko was the team's only NBA caliber starter last year), you are lowering the player's value.

[mefromthefuture]

1). Flynn at draft time was linked strongly with Sacremento at the 4th pick. Blaming Khan for taking a point guard ranked higher on most mock draft sites going into the draft is ridiculous.

LOL. Mock drafts are based on what GMs are thinking/what the conventional wisdom is, they are not an inarguable evaluation of talent. I guess by this argument, you think it was ok for Dumars to pick Darko, since so many mocks had him there?

2). I like this trade for Minnesota, Gomes was garbage and Babbit will be another rookie. Webster is still only 24 and showed huge strides before injuring himself two years ago and being buried on a deep portland bench.

Gomes is what Webster is: a mediocre role player.

3). Correction, hes all in on Darko and Pekovic. Which centres did he pass up? Cousins at 4? Yes that may come back to bite him but Wesley Johnson i also a stud. who else, our next pick was 16 and there was no centre to rech for there nearly as good as Darko or Pekovic.

He passed up all the centers in a center heavy draft except for Paulo Prestes. Whiteside, Alabi, Cousins, Aldrich, etc. etc.

Pekovic is too short and gravity-bound to be a full-time NBA center.

I would rather have Whiteside than Darko. At least with Whiteside there's hope. Instead the Wolves have Lazar Hayward, who will probably get 5 mpg.

5). Im fairly certain this trade rumour got shot down.

I'm fairly certain David Kahn publicly verified this trade rumor. Perhaps he was just lying though.

6). He didnt trade Ty Lawson. He traded the 18th pick o denver who had minnesota draft Ty Lawson for them. What would we do with Ty Lawson anyway? we allready drafted an undersized point guard in Flynn? Why the hll would we keep him?

Exactly, the Flynn pick led to a whole bunch of awful decisions down the road, just like Kahn going all in on Darko is leading to a whole bunch of awful decisions.

7). He didnt spend a year lowering his value. He actually spent most of the year saying Jefferson was a future piece. Then he realised Jefferson is useless at the centre position and Love is going to be better power forward so had to trade him. m I happy with ou return? No. Did Jefferson have to go, yes.

When you make it abundantly clear that you don't value a player, don't want to keep him, even go so far as to not consider him an NBA starter (according to the wolves' front office, Darko was the team's only NBA caliber starter last year), you are lowering the player's value.

Roster pre Kahn

http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_ ... roster.png

Roster now

Flynn/Session or Luke R. with Rubio still as future player or as a asset
Brewer/Webster/Ellington
Johnson/Webster/Hayward
Love/Beasley
Darko/Pekovic

and still about 15 mil in cap room.

[Flashpoint]

No other team felt like trying to beat that? People don't complain about how **** their teams are run often enough.

[moss_is_1]

LOL. Mock drafts are based on what GMs are thinking/what the conventional wisdom is, they are not an inarguable evaluation of talent. I guess by this argument, you think it was ok for Dumars to pick Darko, since so many mocks had him there?

Idiotic, Darko was deserving of the #2 pick at the time, obviously he didn't work out, but some people said he could of even been deserving of the #1 pick.

Gomes is what Webster is: a mediocre role player.

I hope you're kidding, I hate Ryan Gomes. He sucks, the only thing he does well is shoot and that is streaky at best. Webster can shoot(albeit streaky as well), is an above average defender, and is a very good athlete. He's a good role player, Gomes is at best an 8th man.

He passed up all the centers in a center heavy draft except for Paulo Prestes. Whiteside, Alabi, Cousins, Aldrich, etc. etc.

Pekovic is too short and gravity-bound to be a full-time NBA center.

I would rather have Whiteside than Darko. At least with Whiteside there's hope. Instead the Wolves have Lazar Hayward, who will probably get 5 mpg.

Center heavy draft? LOL now I know you're an idiot. Cousins is the only center with a realistic shot of being a stud, but he doesn't fit here at all. Slow, Unathletic, stops the ball movement. Pekovic is too short to be a center, seriously you're over you're head. He's 6'11 and built like a truck.

Lazar Hayward is ready to contribute as a bench player, Whiteside may never be anything more then a decent shotblocker. Hayward is smart, good passer, okay shooter, athletic, hustle player.

I'm fairly certain David Kahn publicly verified this trade rumor. Perhaps he was just lying though.

He did say he shot it down, but who would we of taken? Paul George probably, but we would have Ramon Sessions playing 48 minutes, and Flynn's value is at its lowest point right now anyway, so why not wait it out.

Exactly, the Flynn pick led to a whole bunch of awful decisions down the road, just like Kahn going all in on Darko is leading to a whole bunch of awful decisions.

What Awful decisions? He's not going all in on Darko, he has Pekovic playing behind him, and it's not like Darko's contract is a crippler, it's around 5 mil a season. If Darko plays as good as he did the last 24 games last year then it's a good deal for us.

When you make it abundantly clear that you don't value a player, don't want to keep him, even go so far as to not consider him an NBA starter (according to the wolves' front office, Darko was the team's only NBA caliber starter last year), you are lowering the player's value.

Kahn never said he wasn't an NBA starter, that was one of Rick Kamla's sources. The value we got for Al is pretty fair, we were hoping for Prince +#7 at draft time but instead got 2 mid to late 1sts and immediate cap space.

Prince<$14 Million TPE
#7>High teens and mid 20's pick
Around the same value.

Kahn has without a doubt made the team more enjoyable and watchable for next season. Getting athletic players that can shoot to fit this teams vision. Instead of end of the bench scrubs like Gomes, Wilkins, Pavlovic, Pecherov, Hollins, Jawai playing extended minutes it will be people like Wes Johnson, Martell Webster, Michael Beasley, Darko, Nikola Pekovic, Lazar Hayward who are all at least solid rotational players, and in a few cases chances to be good to great starters.