Prove to me Derrick Rose is Good.

Dobber-16 · Post #121 » by **Dobber-16** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:59 pm

Boognish wrote:He's a unicorn.

Jvaughn · Post #122 » by **Jvaughn** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:59 pm

DanielBoone wrote:
Talk like that is where you give yourself away as an emotional fanboy. Just because not all of us think Derrick Rose is the next HOF point guard doesn't mean we are haters. I think he will be good, not great, and fade out quickly. Just like Steve Francis. Just because Bulls homers think he will be the GOAT doesn't mean everyone who doesn't think that way is a hater.

Interesting.........I thought it was talk like yours that made you seem like an idiot. No one on the Bulls board has said Rose has the potential to be a HOF PG or the GOAT at all. As of now Rose is a top 3-4 PG, in the league now. That's it. Numerous professional analysts have said it, and you'll only find haters that will refute it. You're the on that is coming off unbalanced.

Post #123 » by **alucryts** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:01 pm

DanielBoone wrote:
Cliff Levingston wrote:
DanielBoone wrote:
Starbury did it

Oh, that sucks. As if we didn't know before that Derrick Rose is a pretty bad basketball player, that about proves it.

Maybe the Lakers would take Derrick Rose back for Sasha Vujacic? Probably not though, cause they already have a pretty good shooting guard in Kobe Bryant and thus won't need another one.

Talk like that is where you give yourself away as an emotional fanboy. Just because not all of us think Derrick Rose is the next HOF point guard doesn't mean we are haters. I think he will be good, not great, and fade out quickly. Just like Steve Francis. Just because Bulls homers think he will be the GOAT doesn't mean everyone who doesn't think that way is a hater.

yup ur an angry homer

DanielBoone · Post #124 » by **DanielBoone** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:03 pm

Jvaughn wrote:
DanielBoone wrote:
Talk like that is where you give yourself away as an emotional fanboy. Just because not all of us think Derrick Rose is the next HOF point guard doesn't mean we are haters. I think he will be good, not great, and fade out quickly. Just like Steve Francis. Just because Bulls homers think he will be the GOAT doesn't mean everyone who doesn't think that way is a hater.

Interesting.........I thought it was talk like yours that made you seem like an idiot. No one on the Bulls board has said Rose has the potential to be a HOF PG or the GOAT at all. As of now Rose is a top 3-4 PG, in the league now. That's it. Numerous professional analysts have said it, and you'll only find haters that will refute it. You're the on that is coming off unbalanced.

Your extreme homerness is showing when you claim Derrick Rose right now is a top 3 point guard. jesus christ....

Jvaughn · Post #125 » by **Jvaughn** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:05 pm

DanielBoone wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
DanielBoone wrote:
Talk like that is where you give yourself away as an emotional fanboy. Just because not all of us think Derrick Rose is the next HOF point guard doesn't mean we are haters. I think he will be good, not great, and fade out quickly. Just like Steve Francis. Just because Bulls homers think he will be the GOAT doesn't mean everyone who doesn't think that way is a hater.

Interesting.........I thought it was talk like yours that made you seem like an idiot. No one on the Bulls board has said Rose has the potential to be a HOF PG or the GOAT at all. As of now Rose is a top 3-4 PG, in the league now. That's it. Numerous professional analysts have said it, and you'll only find haters that will refute it. You're the on that is coming off unbalanced.

Your extreme homerness is showing when you claim Derrick Rose right now is a top 3 point guard. jesus christ....

But i get beat out by your extreme lack of knowledge to say that he's nothing more than Monta Ellis. Care to give me a list of your top 5 PG's. And then what team you cheer for so I can make nonsense statements about the players even though I probably don't watch them?

EDIT: You weren't the genius that called him Monta Ellis. That was some other Einstein, so my apologies.

juice4080 · Post #126 » by **juice4080** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:06 pm

the rose fanboys are second only to the kobe ones....coincidence? they are known to share a deep friendship

DanielBoone · Post #127 » by **DanielBoone** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:09 pm

Jvaughn wrote:But i get beat out by your extreme lack of knowledge to say that he's nothing more than Monta Ellis. Care to give me a list of your top 5 PG's. And then what team you cheer for so I can make nonsense statements about the players even though I probably don't watch them?

I didn't say anything about Monta Ellis. My list of top 5 PGs: Deron, Paul, Nash, Rondo, Billups

Cliff Levingston · Post #128 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:09 pm

DanielBoone wrote:Talk like that is where you give yourself away as an emotional fanboy. Just because not all of us think Derrick Rose is the next HOF point guard doesn't mean we are haters. I think he will be good, not great, and fade out quickly. Just like Steve Francis. Just because Bulls homers think he will be the GOAT doesn't mean everyone who doesn't think that way is a hater.

You say something like "dude can't even read a book" and want to claim you're not a hater? Really?

Jvaughn · Post #129 » by **Jvaughn** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:10 pm

juice4080 wrote:the rose fanboys are second only to the kobe ones....coincidence? they are known to share a deep friendship

So Kobe isn't one of the greatest in the game right now. Thank you for proving the point that you don't know anything. I love it when I dont have to do any work.

YounG_A · Post #130 » by **YounG_A** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:10 pm

He isn't that good like Bulls fans try to make him seem, they claim he will win MVP, will be the best PG by 2012 ( :lol:

), he is a well below average defender, he has below average court vision, average at beat playmaker. Although he is a good scorer, I don't see a team winning a championship with him as the 1st option. Like others have said he's more of a SG playing PG.

Jvaughn · Post #131 » by **Jvaughn** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:11 pm

DanielBoone wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:But i get beat out by your extreme lack of knowledge to say that he's nothing more than Monta Ellis. Care to give me a list of your top 5 PG's. And then what team you cheer for so I can make nonsense statements about the players even though I probably don't watch them?

I didn't say anything about Monta Ellis. My list of top 5 PGs: Deron, Paul, Nash, Rondo, Billups

Read the edit. And you missed part of my question as well. BTW your list is wrong.........JMO though. And let me guess, you have Curry, Jennings and Westbrook next on that list before Rose too? Sweet.

Fast Dont Fib · Post #132 » by **Fast Dont Fib** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:11 pm

Not going to try to prove that he's good. It's laughable to say he's an average player, or just a bit above average. So what does this leave us with? Bad? He's certainly not that.

If you want to argue about him ever being good enough to be the best player on a championship team, then your boxing a parapalegic. It's not hard to see how the odds are stacked against any team with the best player being a point guard.

Have to go back to Isiah for that, and i don't think many people would argue whether he's on that level or not. Most level headed Bulls fans know this, still doesn't mean he's not good.

Cliff Levingston · Post #133 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:12 pm

YounG_A wrote:He isn't that good like Bulls fans try to make him seem, they claim he will win MVP, will be the best PG by 2012 ( )

Please provide one quote of anyone saying any of the above. Cliff Levingston will wait, a long, long time for you.

juice4080 · Post #134 » by **juice4080** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:13 pm

Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
Rajon Rondo

are all clearly better right now

then he's in a tier with the likes of stephen curry tony parker russell westbrook and chauncey billups i got no problems with you putting him 1st in that tier(im not as the others all have better pg skills than rose) if you're a big fan of him but to say he's clearly top 3 is just sad

Post #135 » by **alucryts** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:13 pm

YounG_A wrote:He isn't that good like Bulls fans try to make him seem, they claim he will win MVP, will be the best PG by 2012 ( )

please show me quotes

jax98 · Post #136 » by **jax98** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:14 pm

mysticbb wrote:Well, when I said that I would rather have Deng and Hinrich than Deng and Brewer next to Rose, because I think the Bulls can use the ball handling and passing by Hinrich (and his 3pt shot), you answered me with a post in which you posted the PER of Hinrich and Brewer with the intro: "Which puts a serious questionmark next to your talent-evaluation then."
Thus I can only assume PER is a tool in your eyes which helps to determine the ball handling and passing abilities of a player. Otherwise bringing up PER in that context would be rather useless.

No, your talent evaluations are questioned because you look at Hinrich as something positive. Especially in the context of being paired with Rose.

Yeah, of course, I made the mistake here.

Yes. You did. But that's okay. I forgive you.

Well, in fact I just saw that you edited your first post after my first answer. Instead of "games with Noah, Deng and Hinrich" there is now "games without Noah, Deng and Hinrich". Maybe, just maybe that little tiny mistake by you (and I'm amazed that you never mentioned it) was the reason for me reading your comments wrong?
The whole freaking discussion is obviously obsolet, because we were both on two different pages from the start.

I edited that before I even read your initial response because I read it myself and found the mistake I made. But I did mention it later on when I elaborated. I take it a simple mistake is actually throwing you a curveball. Won't be making that mistake again.

Actually I disagree that they were huge problems, in fact the problem was more the lack of a real 2nd option and playing Noah or Deng in a role they shouldn't have played in.

Which I've been saying throughout.

And I also don't think that Rose looked worse on the court, just his stats were worse than they could have been with better players around him (I'm talking about efficiency here, and I also think he would have had better +/- stats, and even I repeat that and you don't care, Rose Net+/- was fine last season).

Now we're getting somewhere. Because I agree that Rose didn't look worse on the court with those two. Obviously, since they are the two best players after him. That was never my point. My point was in fact really, really simple: It's that Derrick Rose had so little offense next to him, DESPITE the awesomeness of Noah and Deng, that his impact was not as visual as it could have been. Thus, creating silly threads like this that try to diminish his worth to the Bulls.

Actually, yes. And you still act like this.

Impressive since you're the one making personal snide remarks. But giving that you have yet to make a legit counter-point to my points, I reckon you've decided to make things personal so people don't notice you don't have anything to offer.

My first two answers to you didn't have any personal note, not the slightest. You started with that in your second reply to me.

Arh, we've gone into a he-said-she-said debate. Awesome.

Btw: I don't answer to points I don't care about, I just ignore those.

That's your first good idea all day. Since I really don't care, I'll skip the rest and not respond later. Wasting time is something I dislike.

Have a good one!

DanielBoone · Post #137 » by **DanielBoone** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:14 pm

Jvaughn wrote:
DanielBoone wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:But i get beat out by your extreme lack of knowledge to say that he's nothing more than Monta Ellis. Care to give me a list of your top 5 PG's. And then what team you cheer for so I can make nonsense statements about the players even though I probably don't watch them?

I didn't say anything about Monta Ellis. My list of top 5 PGs: Deron, Paul, Nash, Rondo, Billups

Read the edit. And you missed part of my question as well. BTW your list is wrong.........JMO though.

The team I root for is Charlotte. Go ahead and try your best, I'm not over here spouting Gerald Wallace is a top 3 SF or Tyrus Thomas is future Amare.

juice4080 · Post #138 » by **juice4080** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:15 pm

Jvaughn wrote:
juice4080 wrote:the rose fanboys are second only to the kobe ones....coincidence? they are known to share a deep friendship

So Kobe isn't one of the greatest in the game right now. Thank you for proving the point that you don't know anything. I love it when I dont have to do any work.

So what's the point you're trying to make?

Jvaughn · Post #139 » by **Jvaughn** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:17 pm

juice4080 wrote:Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
Rajon Rondo

are all clearly better right now

then he's in a tier with the likes of stephen curry tony parker russell westbrook and chauncey billups i got no problems with you putting him 1st in that tier(im not as the others all have better pg skills than rose) if you're a big fan of him but to say he's clearly top 3 is just sad

Oh god, that is rich.

Rose is better than Nash and Rondo. Take a look at their head to head matchups, and read the recaps of what Nash has said about Rose himself. Not going to argue the Rondo thing. Its been drummed to death already. Rondo's not clearly better than Rose in any facet except distributing to HOFers.

juice4080 · Post #140 » by **juice4080** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:19 pm

Jvaughn wrote:
juice4080 wrote:Chris Paul
Steve Nash
Deron Williams
Rajon Rondo

are all clearly better right now

then he's in a tier with the likes of stephen curry tony parker russell westbrook and chauncey billups i got no problems with you putting him 1st in that tier(im not as the others all have better pg skills than rose) if you're a big fan of him but to say he's clearly top 3 is just sad

Oh god, that is rich.

Rose is better than Nash and Rondo. Take a look at their head to head matchups, and read the recaps of what Nash has said about Rose himself. Not going to argue the Rondo thing. Its been drummed to death already. Rondo's not clearly better than Rose in any facet except distributing to HOFers.