Woj: Magic, Wiz talking - Arenas to ORL? (PHX involved? P10)

[CourtsideTV]

How is Jameer Nelson underrated? He's just a solid PG. There are 15-20 PG's better than him. He's in the same league as present day Andre Miller. That's not saying much.

name the 15-20 pgs that are better than him right now.

chris paul
deron williams
rondo
d.rose
nash

[#1 pick]

How is Jameer Nelson underrated? He's just a solid PG. There are 15-20 PG's better than him. He's in the same league as present day Andre Miller. That's not saying much.

name the 15-20 pgs that are better than him right now.

Ty Lawson
Conley
Raymond Felton
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
Rajon Rondo
Steve Nash
Tony Parker
John Wall
Jason Kidd
Stephen Curry
Devin Harris
Andre Miller
Chauncey Billups
Brandon Jennings
D.J. Augustin

And of course, Gilbert Arenas.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

How is Jameer Nelson underrated? He's just a solid PG. There are 15-20 PG's better than him. He's in the same league as present day Andre Miller. That's not saying much.

name the 15-20 pgs that are better than him right now.

chris paul
deron williams
rondo
d.rose
nash

Jason Kidd
Raymond Felton
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook
John Wall
Andre Miller
Brandon Jennings
Devin Harris
Daniel Gibson
Jrue Holiday
Tony Parker

That's 16. Now admittedly guys like Miller, Jennings, Harris, Gibson, Holiday and Parker are all at about the same level as Nelson right now. Jameer usually gets the edge because he plays on a winner with a guy like Dwight Howard.

Anyways, if its Rashard for Gilbert, I agree that Washington must be getting other useful assets back, because Rashard just does nothing for them. As for Orlando, its a decent gamble, but one they likely have to make for Dwight's (and Stan's) sake.

[#1 pick]

chris paul
deron williams
rondo
d.rose
nash
Jason Kidd
Raymond Felton
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook
John Wall
Andre Miller
Brandon Jennings
Devin Harris
Daniel Gibson
Jrue Holiday
Tony Parker

That's 16. Now admittedly guys like Miller, Jennings, Harris, Gibson, Holiday and Parker are all at about the same level as Nelson right now. Jameer usually gets the edge because he plays on a winner with a guy like Dwight Howard.

Anyways, if its Rashard for Gilbert, I agree that Washington must be getting other useful assets back, because Rashard just does nothing for them. As for Orlando, its a decent gamble, but one they likely have to make for Dwight's (and Stan's) sake.

Parker, Harris, and Jennings are a notch above just solid but Jameer is just solid as is Andre Miller and Mo Williams. Gibson and Holiday aren't better basketball players than Jameer. Boobie is a 2 and Holiday has high potential but is just an average PG. Nelson looks a lot better than he is because of Dwight's presence. Dwight impact on the game is higher to me than Lebron's. No comparison in that regard.

[GhostsOfGil]

MrMichaelLee 2 more sources confirmed Gilbert Arenas-to-ORL trade talks have heated up. 1 said deal isn't imminent; Arenas expected to suit up vs. MIA

MrMichaelLee MIA game should be a circus. Verizon Center is making preparations for President Obama to attend his 2nd Wiz game, according to a source.

[Den Masters]

chris paul
deron williams
rondo
d.rose
nash

Jason Kidd
Raymond Felton
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook
John Wall
Andre Miller
Brandon Jennings
Devin Harris
Daniel Gibson
Jrue Holiday
Tony Parker

That's 16. Now admittedly guys like Miller, Jennings, Harris, Gibson, Holiday and Parker are all at about the same level as Nelson right now. Jameer usually gets the edge because he plays on a winner with a guy like Dwight Howard.

Anyways, if its Rashard for Gilbert, I agree that Washington must be getting other useful assets back, because Rashard just does nothing for them. As for Orlando, its a decent gamble, but one they likely have to make for Dwight's (and Stan's) sake.

How is Gibson and Jrue better than Nelson?

Have you actually seen Gibson for the last 2 seasons? Even this year? lol.

And Jrue is better than Nelson

[WeAreVenom]

name the 15-20 pgs that are better than him right now.

chris paul
deron williams
rondo
d.rose
nash

Jason Kidd
Raymond Felton
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook
John Wall
Andre Miller
Brandon Jennings
Devin Harris
Daniel Gibson
Jrue Holiday
Tony Parker

That's 16. Now admittedly guys like Miller, Jennings, Harris, Gibson, Holiday and Parker are all at about the same level as Nelson right now. Jameer usually gets the edge because he plays on a winner with a guy like Dwight Howard.

Anyways, if its Rashard for Gilbert, I agree that Washington must be getting other useful assets back, because Rashard just does nothing for them. As for Orlando, its a decent gamble, but one they likely have to make for Dwight's (and Stan's) sake.

Lol cmon. Harris? Felton? Gibson?

[Birth of the Cool]

no argument from me here. gils ts% this year has been AWFUL but as i stated before ts is based on fg%, 3 efficiency and fta/ftm. now there are plenty of stats to indicate gil has been getting the ai treatment for the refs which is a HUGE reason y gils ts has taken a dip

I haven't watched ARenas much this year, but are you saying he's just getting repeatedly hacked with no fouls called?

sort of. he attacks and draws contact but 9 time out of 10 its a no call which results in a turnover or a missed fga. i mean the stats are all there to prove this. from a guy who used to average 9fta per game, hes down to 3. hes now on a string of 3 straight games where has has gone to the line ZERO times. hes in the bottom of hte list for starting guards in fta per game and even on the defensive end hes averaging 3.5 fpg! only one other guard is in the top 25 for fpg. even our broadcasters repeatedly bring it up and they are known to call the game without any favoritism.

I like Arenas & all but c'mon. You don't think the stat that 91% of shot selections this year are jumpshots may have more to do with the massive decrease in FTA's and not the Refs (who I will agree suck).

If this goes through (Arenas/Lewis), then other moves definitely have to be made by the Magic. Some RUMOURS are the Magic are interested in JRich (Vince for JRich, etc). I'd like Vince to stay with the Magic as it's his best chance at a Title even though honestly his game doesn't seem to "thrive" within SVG's offensive scheme (making Vince 3rd option, off-the-ball shooter) or with Nelson BUT if he is traded I wouldn't mind seeing him play out the rest of his remaining contract/year in Phoenix with Nash haha.

So again if Arenas comes to Orlando I think Vince needs to go (not enough ball for Arenas/Nelson/Vince) unless something weird happens & Nelson is moved or put at the 2nd unit. I don't really see how an Arenas/Nelson backcourt would work. Vince for all his faults is a big/strong 2 and plays decent D at the 2 spot (of course he gets lazy sometimes) but an Arenas/Nelson backcourt is pretty awful defensively & Arenas would have the same situation Vince is in now....paired with Nelson Arenas would have to be a spot up shooter mainly (off-the-ball player) and that just isn't his game so the same struggles Vince finds himself in to "get his" in that offense Arenas will see too.

[GhostsOfGil]

I like Arenas & all but c'mon. You don't think the stat that 91% of shot selections this year are jumpshots may have more to do with the massive decrease in FTA's and not the Refs (who I will agree suck).

if u knew that every time u drove, ud get hit without a call, ud turn into a a jumpshoter too. sometimes when a player gets contact and no call, he attack again on the next possession in frustration, or watever reason, to really get contact. gil has done this multiple times and still walks away without getting the calls... so instead he shoots it.

[WeAreVenom]

because unlike the rest of the league wizard fans realize that arenas is so much better then lewis that they would rather take on the extra year.

Arenas is definitely better, but the Wizards need to get rid of him. Taking Rashard is just about fare value considering the situation.

I rather an overpaid All Star level talent over an overpaid bum. Lewis is as valuable as Eddy Curry was two years ago. Market value, lol. They better get a 1st and Gortat just for taking Lewis at the least. I would never take Lewis especially for Arenas. It's not like Lewis is an expiring, he has two more seasons left and Arenas could go to multiple All Star games. This deal would be epic fail for the Wizards.

lol, Arenas would be lucky to make another all star appearance.

Wade, Rose, Rondo, Allen, and eventually Wall will all have precedence over him.

[CourtsideTV]

nelson is clutch and is a leader. he carries the team in the 4th. def better than gibson, jrue, felton AND jennings. I haven't really seen wall play much.

[#1 pick]

lol, Arenas would be lucky to make another all star appearance.

Wade, Rose, Rondo, Allen, and eventually Wall will all have precedence over him.

Arenas could put up better numbers than Allen and Rondo plus his team would be winning and a #1 or #2 seed. Its not like he's the best player as he was on the talented Washington team or building players up on an extremely young team who doesn't know how to play Basketball like the current day Wizards.

[#1 pick]

nelson is clutch and is a leader. he carries the team in the 4th. def better than gibson, jrue, felton AND jennings. I haven't really seen wall play much.

He's not in Jennings or Felton league overall. He is a good overall player with average PG skills which make him a solid PG overall. He's an average creator and if he can't get to the lane, he can't create. His scoring ability is good but nothing amazing and his defense is average at best. He's basically a worst shooting but much quicker Mo Williams.

[CourtsideTV]

nelson is clutch and is a leader. he carries the team in the 4th. def better than gibson, jrue, felton AND jennings. I haven't really seen wall play much.

He's not in Jennings or Felton league overall. He is a good overall player with average PG skills which make him a solid PG overall. He's an average creator and if he can't get to the lane, he can't create. His scoring ability is good but nothing amazing and his defense is average at best. He's basically a worst shooting but much quicker Mo Williams.

Felton is alright. Nelson plays solid defense for the most part. Where he lacks in defense, he makes up in ball movement and play making.

[ORLd12]

Wow did we completely miss the playoffs last year or are 27 regular season games enough to convince you Jameer is "not in Felton's league overall"?

[#1 pick]

nelson is clutch and is a leader. he carries the team in the 4th. def better than gibson, jrue, felton AND jennings. I haven't really seen wall play much.

He's not in Jennings or Felton league overall. He is a good overall player with average PG skills which make him a solid PG overall. He's an average creator and if he can't get to the lane, he can't create. His scoring ability is good but nothing amazing and his defense is average at best. He's basically a worst shooting but much quicker Mo Williams.

Felton is alright. Nelson plays solid defense for the most part. Where he lacks in defense, he makes up in ball movement and play making.

He's not a playmaker and ball movement is a staple of the Magic's game. It wouldn't work so smoothly if Dwight was out of the lineup. Dwight takes a lot of the attention as well as Orlando haven't nothing but shooters around him. It's hard to double and not pay v. Orlando. Jameer would greatly struggle if he was forced to really create like they did v. Boston.

[#1 pick]

Wow did we completely miss the playoffs last year or are 27 regular season games enough to convince you Jameer is "not in Felton's league overall"?

I watch both players play a lot. Felton was a good PG last year in Charlotte. Ppl are just starting to notice him now in NY. Jameer is a good offensive talent but to say he's as good at PG as Felton is reaching even when Felton was in Charlotte.

I know the Strengths and Weaknesses of everyone in the Southeast Conf who isn't new like John Wall.

[j-ragg]

Wow @ Jameer not being in Jennings' league.

[reapaman]

Wiretap saying that wizards want vince and lewis.

If that is the case, that means that hinrich is coming in the deal and blatch too. If the deal is just between them two it would probley be something like this.

Washington gets:
Carter
Lewis
Future 1st

Orlando gets:
Gilbert
Hinrich
Blatch
Howard
Armstrong

interesting if that happens, one of those pgs gotta be trade the, theyll have 5 on the roster

[GhostsOfGil]

Wiretap saying that wizards want vince and lewis.

If that is the case, that means that hinrich is coming in the deal and blatch too. If the deal is just between them two it would probley be something like this.

Washington gets:
Carter
Lewis
Future 1st

Orlando gets:
Gilbert
Hinrich
Blatch
Howard
Armstrong

interesting if that happens, one of those pgs gotta be trade the, theyll have 5 on the roster

this is rape by the magic. there is no way this happens