Is this a travel?

[grimballer]

Obviously hopping would be a travel.

But taking a big step with his right foot, picking up his left and then jumping off his right? Legal, according to the rules.
It's never used, I know. Why players don't take advantage of this, I don't know. Maybe they're like many common fans and also believe that it's a travel.
But according to the rules, it's legal.

they dont use it because its gonna be called a travel.

kobe got away with it.

no ref in the world will let u take an obvious step after establishing your pivot, i dont care how u interpret the rules.

[sixerswillrule]

Carmelo did it blatantly a couple years ago in the playoffs against the Lakers and got away with it. It was even more obvious then what Kobe did. It was funny too because the entire Laker team screamed for a travel after it wasn't called, and I don't think it was only because opposing teams always argue for calls.
But you almost never see this move used. I'm very curious to see what would happen if players started using this move a lot. But we may never know...

[Imadogg]

Travel.

Lol at the "not even debatable" statements coming from both sides of the argument.

[droponov]

It's not rare at all. Visualize it in the form of a running lay-up, of any kind of running shot, and it stops being rare. It happens all the time. Really, go watch a game.

[Bucksfans1and2]

If I established my pivot foot and then picked it up. Could I hop on one foot as many times as I liked?

[Mikistan]

It's not rare at all. Visualize it in the form of a running lay-up, of any kind of running shot, and it stops being rare. It happens all the time. Really, go watch a game.

Thank you.

It boggles my mind that so many people think this is a one-off travel and only Kobe does it.
Gimme a break.

[JWiLL02]

He's so close to leaving off of two feet that, by NBA standards (what guys constantly get away with when catching the ball and finishing dunks), this isn't a travel.

Go watch LeBron, Wade, Melo, etc. Half of the time when these guys catch the ball on the perimeter they'll take a step or hop after the catch. By the rule book, that's a travel, but it's never called.

[droponov]

If I established my pivot foot and then picked it up. Could I hop on one foot as many times as I liked?

Of course not. But you can stay standstill on it for as long as you want. Once you jump off it, you need to release the ball before landing.

[sixerswillrule]

It's not rare at all. Visualize it in the form of a running lay-up, of any kind of running shot, and it stops being rare. It happens all the time. Really, go watch a game.

Stopping, pivoting, and blatantly picking up your pivot and jumping off the other foot is extremely, extremely, extremely rare. I can watch another 1000 games and may not see it.

In reality, it's still just 2 steps just like a 2 step lay-up in motion. But it's different visually. For some reason, people consider it to be a travel. It's not some random idea that one person came up with. It's obviously a common belief among basketball fans everywhere.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Not a travel. This is the same as doing a step through..hes not using his right foot as a pivot, hes launching off of it. His left foot is never re-planted, he shoots the ball.

[mid-post]

This is how I was originally thinking of it and had written a long ass post about what I was thinking

I think people are making this overly complicated; all you have to do is considered what is legal once you've picked up your dribble and are about to shoot the ball or pass it.

The rules on this are literally identical in the post as they are from the perimeter; if you pick up the ball, you are allowed to pivot. But if you have already established a pivot foot (Kobe's left foot) and you're shooting or passing after you've spent your dribble then you must jump off of both your feet (or your pivot foot only) and never off of just the non-pivot when you leave the floor.
Consider the alternative: You're standing behind the 3 point line and you've already wasted your dribble. You jab-step with your right (establishing your left as the pivot). You throw up a pump fake to get the defender off his feet. You can pivot, but you absolutely cannot pick up, hop off of or drag your left foot and shoot off of the right foot. You have to jump off of both feet simultaneously or just your left.

I checked the rules just to make sure I was right about that. Turns out I was wrong. The way I've seen the rules written (college, high-school and NBA), as long as you shoot before the pivot foot returns to the floor, you're all good.
You're only limited in that you can't drag your pivot foot.

Art. 4. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court,
before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal

Good move Kobe.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

It's not rare at all. Visualize it in the form of a running lay-up, of any kind of running shot, and it stops being rare. It happens all the time. Really, go watch a game.

Stopping, pivoting, and blatantly picking up your pivot and jumping off the other foot is extremely, extremely, extremely rare. I can watch another 1000 games and may not see it.

In reality, it's still just 2 steps just like a 2 step lay-up in motion. But it's different visually. For some reason, people consider it to be a travel. It's not some random idea that one person came up with. It's obviously a common belief among basketball fans everywhere.

lol are you kidding? it may not happen every play, but it happens enough to call it somewhat common. think of an up and under, going right finishing left..its common enough. you need to have some descent footwork though cause you can lose your balance easily and then slide your feet, and thats when you get called for a travel

[droponov]

It's not rare at all. Visualize it in the form of a running lay-up, of any kind of running shot, and it stops being rare. It happens all the time. Really, go watch a game.

Stopping, pivoting, and blatantly picking up your pivot and jumping off the other foot is extremely, extremely, extremely rare. I can watch another 1000 games and may not see it.

In reality, it's still just 2 steps just like a 2 step lay-up in motion. But it's different visually. For some reason, people consider it to be a travel. It's not some random idea that one person came up with. It's obviously a common belief among basketball fans everywhere.

It's because of that crazy "steps" terminology. The word "steps" should be excluded from basketball rules book. They should make it all about the pivot, as FIBA does. Much easier for people to understand (I'd hope).

Yes, it's different visually, but the rule is the same.

[sixerswillrule]

It's not rare at all. Visualize it in the form of a running lay-up, of any kind of running shot, and it stops being rare. It happens all the time. Really, go watch a game.

Stopping, pivoting, and blatantly picking up your pivot and jumping off the other foot is extremely, extremely, extremely rare. I can watch another 1000 games and may not see it.

In reality, it's still just 2 steps just like a 2 step lay-up in motion. But it's different visually. For some reason, people consider it to be a travel. It's not some random idea that one person came up with. It's obviously a common belief among basketball fans everywhere.

lol are you kidding? it may not happen every play, but it happens enough to call it somewhat common. think of an up and under, going right finishing left..its common enough. you need to have some descent footwork though cause you can lose your balance easily and then slide your feet, and thats when you get called for a travel

BLATANTLY. I mean like really, really obviously picking up your pivot and jumping off the other foot. It's just almost never done. With the common up and under, players come reasonably close to jumping off of both feet simultaneously. I wish the video of Carmelo doing this move a couple years ago was still up because that's exactly what I'm talking about.

[Wavy Q]

This is how I was originally thinking of it and had written a long ass post about what I was thinking

I think people are making this overly complicated; all you have to do is considered what is legal once you've picked up your dribble and are about to shoot the ball or pass it.

The rules on this are literally identical in the post as they are from the perimeter; if you pick up the ball, you are allowed to pivot. But if you have already established a pivot foot (Kobe's left foot) and you're shooting or passing after you've spent your dribble then you must jump off of both your feet (or your pivot foot only) and never off of just the non-pivot when you leave the floor.
Consider the alternative: You're standing behind the 3 point line and you've already wasted your dribble. You jab-step with your right (establishing your left as the pivot). You throw up a pump fake to get the defender off his feet. You can pivot, but you absolutely cannot pick up, hop off of or drag your left foot and shoot off of the right foot. You have to jump off of both feet simultaneously or just your left.

I checked the rules just to make sure I was right about that. Turns out I was wrong. They way I've seen the rules written (college, high-school and NBA), as long as you shoot before the pivot foot returns to the floor, you're all good.
You're only limited in that you can't drag your pivot foot.

Art. 4. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court,
before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal

Good move Kobe.

Case closed i guess

[JWiLL02]

This is how I was originally thinking of it and had written a long ass post about what I was thinking

I think people are making this overly complicated; all you have to do is considered what is legal once you've picked up your dribble and are about to shoot the ball or pass it.

The rules on this are literally identical in the post as they are from the perimeter; if you pick up the ball, you are allowed to pivot. But if you have already established a pivot foot (Kobe's left foot) and you're shooting or passing after you've spent your dribble then you must jump off of both your feet (or your pivot foot only) and never off of just the non-pivot when you leave the floor.
Consider the alternative: You're standing behind the 3 point line and you've already wasted your dribble. You jab-step with your right (establishing your left as the pivot). You throw up a pump fake to get the defender off his feet. You can pivot, but you absolutely cannot pick up, hop off of or drag your left foot and shoot off of the right foot. You have to jump off of both feet simultaneously or just your left.

I checked the rules just to make sure I was right about that. Turns out I was wrong. They way I've seen the rules written (college, high-school and NBA), as long as you shoot before the pivot foot returns to the floor, you're all good.
You're only limited in that you can't drag your pivot foot.

Art. 4. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court,
before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal

Good move Kobe.

Annnd there it is.

Great move is more accurate.

[Black Feet]

This is how I was originally thinking of it and had written a long ass post about what I was thinking

I think people are making this overly complicated; all you have to do is considered what is legal once you've picked up your dribble and are about to shoot the ball or pass it.

The rules on this are literally identical in the post as they are from the perimeter; if you pick up the ball, you are allowed to pivot. But if you have already established a pivot foot (Kobe's left foot) and you're shooting or passing after you've spent your dribble then you must jump off of both your feet (or your pivot foot only) and never off of just the non-pivot when you leave the floor.
Consider the alternative: You're standing behind the 3 point line and you've already wasted your dribble. You jab-step with your right (establishing your left as the pivot). You throw up a pump fake to get the defender off his feet. You can pivot, but you absolutely cannot pick up, hop off of or drag your left foot and shoot off of the right foot. You have to jump off of both feet simultaneously or just your left.

I checked the rules just to make sure I was right about that. Turns out I was wrong. They way I've seen the rules written (college, high-school and NBA), as long as you shoot before the pivot foot returns to the floor, you're all good.
You're only limited in that you can't drag your pivot foot.

Art. 4. After coming to a stop and establishing the pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the playing court,
before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal

Good move Kobe.

/Thread

[Tank Nation]

yup

[prophet_of_rage]

All it was was a pivot and then a reverse pivot instead of a step through. Legal.

[Don Draper]

Not a travel.

If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.

It sounds like a travel based on that rule, explain?