WT: Jazz Shopping Jefferson, Millsap

[Mik317]

Iggy for one(or both lolololol) of them.

I could see it.

If Iggy was two or three years younger and about the same amount of millions cheaper than I could see it.

He's about the same age maybe a year older than both of them. The money thing I agree with tho.

EIGHTY MILLION US DOLLARS.

wtf were we thinking?

[Getjazz]

You must be joking about Big Al being a 6th man? Wow if not!!! He made big changes to his over all game after DWill got traded. He single handedly kept us in a playoff hunt. This next yr has a chance to be his best. Big Al and Favors are meshing well and fit together perfectly. By the end of the yr you wont find 5 teams with a better big man combo, let alone rotation..

[StocktonShorts]

He single handedly kept us in a playoff hunt.

Wait what? The Jazz were 31-26 when they traded D-Will. Post-D-Will, with Al Jefferson as their go-to player, they went 8 and 17. In what world does that qualify as keeping the Jazz in the playoff hunt? The best thing that can be said about Al is that he helped the Jazz get Alec Burks.

Al Jefferson right now is nothing but a very expensive roadblock to the devlopment of the last two No. 3 NBA picks: Favors and Kanter.

Edit: and there will ALWAYS be some team that gets suckered into starting a guy like Jefferson who puts up gaudy "traditional" stats but doesn't help your team win. A smart GM/Coach would probably use him as a sixth man. A stupid one will attempt to build the team around him.

[Xsy]

Jefferson also used a ridiculous amount of Utah's possessions. Took more shots than Dwight Howard.

[Luigi]

Jefferson also used a ridiculous amount of Utah's possessions. Took more shots than Dwight Howard.

His usage percent was 24.2%. Boozer used to get more than that in Utah year after year. And with Jefferson's ability to create his own shot, he really ought to be getting more.



And Jefferson is not responsible for the record change. Losing Jerry Sloan is.

[iLL GM]

Looking at his yearly production, it looks like Millsap is slowly evolving from a legitimate power forward, into an Al Harrington-like tweener.

[mrblunt]

They should make all of the Mormons in Utah happy and Trade AL Jefferson to the kings for Jimmer and Thompson or Dalembart.

[Jazza2319]

Not cool.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

LOL, what on earth makes him a 6th man?

Defense, passing, lack of efficiency, lack of utility towards elite play at either end of the floor... He's like Brook Lopez: all numbers, little impact.

I like Al Jefferson for some, if not most teams. However, I do agree with you, tsherkin on scoring bigs who don't impact the game.

I think Robin Lopez might be more effective at changing games than Brook Lopez. Guys like Robin Lopez and Anderson Varajeo are underrated. So is Tyson Chandler. So is Joakim Noah. They are very important to their teams' successes. Long guys who can hold position and redirect shots (Varajeo can't do that but he does hold position well) effect games more than volume shooters.

I think Big Al needs to be around athletic players. I would LOVE him on the Wizards at PF in place of Andray Blatche. I think they would become a much better team right away.

[og15]

Really depends on how efficient the "volume" shooter / scorer is. Al Jeffersons issue has always been that he isn''t overall very efficient as a scorer. He's at the border of 50% FG, hardly gets to the line, and only shoots a decent 70% FG there. So his scoring efficiency in a normal season is worse than what you'd get from a PG taking the same shots and doing 44% FG, 36% 3PT, and 5+ FTA on 80%+.


Now, if Al was a great passer and created shots due to drawing double teams in the post, that makes him a lot better. If he was a good to very good defensive player, and a defensive anchor, again, better. If he drew a good amount of fouls. If all his post moves lender him to being more of a 55%+ FG guy, he would be better. Two of those things, and his value and impact goes up a lot.

Really if one has the passing and defense, you could be fairly content with him and his impact would skyrocket. And all this isn't to say that a guy that can score in the post consistently isn't useful. That player can help you weather scoring droughts, but if they aren't drawing double teams and creating offense for the team out of it, or aren't super efficient as a scorer, they are better off being a third option on the team than a first or even second.

[tsherkin]

I think Robin Lopez might be more effective at changing games than Brook Lopez. Guys like Robin Lopez and Anderson Varajeo are underrated.

I don't know about Robin, I think he's also largely a low-impact player. He hustles and everything, but he's not very good at anything but giving effort. That means he's solid on man defense and he rotates reasonably well, but he doesn't do much else. Varejao, though, now he's definitely an impact defender.

Chandler and Noah are both clearly more useful than Brook Lopez, I agree.

I think Big Al needs to be around athletic players. I would LOVE him on the Wizards at PF in place of Andray Blatche. I think they would become a much better team right away.

Yeah. No matter how much I lampoon Jefferson for his scoring efficiency, Blatche is about as good as DeMarcus Cousins in that respect, which is to say he's a sub-50% TS loser. He also turns the ball over like twice as often and isn't as good on the glass.

[orangeparka]

Don't mean to revive this thread, but what would it take from the Wizards to acquire Big Al?