Is Roy Hibbert a Max contract player?

[droponov]

Hibbert is too flawed to be worth anywhere near a max contract.

Indiana should look at what Denver did with Nene.

Nene is much older and has a history of injuries that resurfaced early in the season.
I don't see the comparison really or what you mean.
Indy should sign him to a big deal, only to move him for younger, cheaper, lesser piece?

It's the principle. Don't lose him for nothing but get rid of that contract ASAP.

[daschysta]

Hibbert is too flawed to be worth anywhere near a max contract.

Indiana should look at what Denver did with Nene.

Nene is much older and has a history of injuries that resurfaced early in the season.
I don't see the comparison really or what you mean.
Indy should sign him to a big deal, only to move him for younger, cheaper, lesser piece?

It's the principle. Don't lose him for nothing but get rid of that contract ASAP.

Strongly disagree.

He makes a huge difference for the Pacers, 14 million for a player of his size, age and skill.

Per 36 he's a

16 pt
11 rpg
2.5 apg
2.7 bpg guy

He's also at an advantage vs. his opponent most nights. He's easily worth 14 million to Indy, look at his on/off numbers, he's super productive, and still improving. It's a no-brainer to keep him.

[Nuntius]

Sigh. You disappear the moment that Darren Collison plays good in the playoffs and only come back to troll

He almost single handedly let Heat back in the game tho. Vogel brings in 4 out of the 5 starters and Collison was still the clear weak link so he had to bring Hill back in on the next possesion. We then blew the heat out. He played good in stretches and I was glad for him, but he'll continue to blow leads by himself because he's just not a good NBA player. There was like a 5 possesion period where he did everything you could possibly do wrong and the heat went on a 7-0 run I think. Vogel brought in 4 of the 5 starters and Collison was still scrubbing it up and he was forced to bring in Hill.

He has played quite good in the series vs the Heat so far. And he was amazing vs Orlando (especially in game 4 and game 5).

But my point was not even Darren Collison. My point was that you went missing in action the day that he started playing good only to return now and start trolling other teams' fans.

[Trader_Joe]

Market dictates price... if you list the starting Centers and what they make, you will see Hibbert will be worth his contract. The only ones I can think of as underpaid are Gortat, Pekovic and Howard (because he's capped by the max).

[Nuntius]

There are very few players that are worth the max in my book.

Problem is that the league market does not work like your book.

[Nuntius]

Market dictates price...

Exactly.

[Nuntius]

Paying Hibbert 6yrs/$120M ($20M/yr) would be stupid. Indy also can't pay him that much.

Paying Hibbert 4yrs/$55M ($14M/yr) is appropriate. This matches the most any other team can offer.

The second option is the most likely. That's his "max".

[Nuntius]

If Howard is worth 20 mil and is clearly a better player. You dont pay Hibbert 20 mil cus Howard is really worth more than 20.

No one is talking about 20 mil, though.

[Spottieottie]

Indy can do what they like, lessons gotta be learned the hard way, but don't think I won't say I told you so

We can't all have the Al Jefferson's of the world.

We didn't sign Al Jeff to his contract. And we won't be resigning him to anything similar if at all

[droponov]

It's the principle. Don't lose him for nothing but get rid of that contract ASAP.

Strongly disagree.

He makes a huge difference for the Pacers, 14 million for a player of his size, age and skill.

Per 36 he's a

16 pt
11 rpg
2.5 apg
2.7 bpg guy

He's also at an advantage vs. his opponent most nights. He's easily worth 14 million to Indy, look at his on/off numbers, he's super productive, and still improving. It's a no-brainer to keep him.

1 - He doesn't have the stamina to play 36 mpg, so that per 36 minutes extrapolation is highly misleading. He averaged 29mpg in the regular season and he's averaging 30mpg in the playoffs (after averaging 26mpg last year). I think that's about his limit. He played more than 36 minutes in 5 games this entire season. Who wants to play a near max salary to a guy that forces you to have a quality backup because he leaves almost 20mpg to be filled?

2 - So, he's actually a guy who'll give you 13/9/2 in 30 minutes. That's it.

3 - He gives you 13ppg with below par efficiency, especially for a center. His TS% this season was his best ever and it was 53%. That's mediocre even for a guard, let alone a center.

4 - I don't know why you think he's an advantage versus his opponent. Hibbert's problem is that he's a massive liability on pick'n'roll defense. He's too slow footed and immobile. If the other team can't take advantage of that, then great. But if they do, then Hibbert becomes a major hindrance.

[7-Day Dray]

He's not a max player. He posted below-average efficiency for a C in the regular season and he's a terrible defender.

[Pacerlive]

Roy isn't worth max money but neither is any center that the pacers can get. The main piont is that you will end up overpaying with either resigning him or trying to replace him and if you don't believe me just look at last years fa centers. You overpay roy because he's good and he solidify the hardest position to fill on any team.

[clevceltics]

If Howard is worth 20 mil and is clearly a better player. You dont pay Hibbert 20 mil cus Howard is really worth more than 20.

No one is talking about 20 mil, though.

No we arent talking about each guy getting 20 mil. We are talking about the principal of guys making the max for which I say you dont pay Hibbert.

[peja drobnjak]

it's funny cuz in facing anthony, pittman, and haslem (these days) he's up against maybe adriatic league level competition

[clevceltics]

There are very few players that are worth the max in my book.

Problem is that the league market does not work like your book.

The market might not work like my book however if it did you wouldnt have so many teams in cap hell. The market will certainly say if you dont pay it someone will but that will never mean that all players are virtually equal in talent based on salary.

[Trader_Joe]

What some of the highest paid centers are making per year...

(not counting rookie contracts like Lopez, Cousins, Monroe, McGee who will all get $10m+ soon enough)

Dwight - 19
Bynum - 15
Gasol - 14
Chandler - 14
Bogut - 13
Okafor - 13
Jefferson - 13
Nene - 13
Horford - 12
Noah - 12
Jordan - 11
Bragnani - 10
Haywood - 9
Biedrins - 9
Perkins - 8
Varejao - 8
Gortat 7

Hibbert at $14m (his max) given his age, durability, size and potential is worth it... or at very least what he will get and what Indy will match. Again, if he doesn't get $14m/per it's because Indy gives him a 5th year and lowers the per year amount.

Will there be better values at C for $14m? Yes, but many worse values and if you want a top 5ish center on your team, that is the cost.

[aol4532]

It's the principle. Don't lose him for nothing but get rid of that contract ASAP.

Strongly disagree.

He makes a huge difference for the Pacers, 14 million for a player of his size, age and skill.

Per 36 he's a

16 pt
11 rpg
2.5 apg
2.7 bpg guy

He's also at an advantage vs. his opponent most nights. He's easily worth 14 million to Indy, look at his on/off numbers, he's super productive, and still improving. It's a no-brainer to keep him.

1 - He doesn't have the stamina to play 36 mpg, so that per 36 minutes extrapolation is highly misleading. He averaged 29mpg in the regular season and he's averaging 30mpg in the playoffs (after averaging 26mpg last year). I think that's about his limit. He played more than 36 minutes in 5 games this entire season. Who wants to play a near max salary to a guy that forces you to have a quality backup because he leaves almost 20mpg to be filled?

2 - So, he's actually a guy who'll give you 13/9/2 in 30 minutes. That's it.

3 - He gives you 13ppg with below par efficiency, especially for a center. His TS% this season was his best ever and it was 53%. That's mediocre even for a guard, let alone a center.

4 - I don't know why you think he's an advantage versus his opponent. Hibbert's problem is that he's a massive liability on pick'n'roll defense. He's too slow footed and immobile. If the other team can't take advantage of that, then great. But if they do, then Hibbert becomes a major hindrance.

You're way off. Hibbert can average 36 min, especially if he doesn't have to expend much energy offensively. And his P&R defense is very good. Why do you think both Lebron and Wade are struggling?

[droponov]

1 - He doesn't have the stamina to play 36 mpg, so that per 36 minutes extrapolation is highly misleading. He averaged 29mpg in the regular season and he's averaging 30mpg in the playoffs (after averaging 26mpg last year). I think that's about his limit. He played more than 36 minutes in 5 games this entire season. Who wants to play a near max salary to a guy that forces you to have a quality backup because he leaves almost 20mpg to be filled?

2 - So, he's actually a guy who'll give you 13/9/2 in 30 minutes. That's it.

3 - He gives you 13ppg with below par efficiency, especially for a center. His TS% this season was his best ever and it was 53%. That's mediocre even for a guard, let alone a center.

4 - I don't know why you think he's an advantage versus his opponent. Hibbert's problem is that he's a massive liability on pick'n'roll defense. He's too slow footed and immobile. If the other team can't take advantage of that, then great. But if they do, then Hibbert becomes a major hindrance.

You're way off. Hibbert can average 36 min, especially if he doesn't have to expend much energy offensively. And his P&R defense is very good. Why do you think both Lebron and Wade are struggling?

If he can, why doesn't he? Because he can't. Just too big and lumbering.

About the pick'n'roll defense . Do you even know what a pick'n'roll is? Heck, I remember Vogel sitting Hibbert this season because his ballscreen defense is so poor.

[Nuntius]

There are very few players that are worth the max in my book.

Problem is that the league market does not work like your book.

The market might not work like my book however if it did you wouldnt have so many teams in cap hell. The market will certainly say if you dont pay it someone will but that will never mean that all players are virtually equal in talent based on salary.

I agree with that. And I certainly agree that the market is the problem and not your book.

But that's how you have to play your cards in this market.

[Nuntius]

What some of the highest paid centers are making per year...

(not counting rookie contracts like Lopez, Cousins, Monroe, McGee who will all get $10m+ soon enough)

Dwight - 19
Bynum - 15
Gasol - 14
Chandler - 14
Bogut - 13
Okafor - 13
Jefferson - 13
Nene - 13
Horford - 12
Noah - 12
Jordan - 11
Bragnani - 10
Haywood - 9
Biedrins - 9
Perkins - 8
Varejao - 8
Gortat 7

Hibbert at $14m (his max) given his age, durability, size and potential is worth it... or at very least what he will get and what Indy will match. Again, if he doesn't get $14m/per it's because Indy gives him a 5th year and lowers the per year amount.

Will there be better values at C for $14m? Yes, but many worse values and if you want a top 5ish center on your team, that is the cost.