Rondo is overrated

[drejeronfire]

Thank god other people see what is so damn obvious.

Rondo is vastly overrated... He's a lower tier defender at his position yet some people like to claim he can lock down opponents whenever he wants!

[Infinite Llamas]

Deron Williams being a top3 point guard has to be one of the biggest myths in the NBA. What has this guy done in his career to be deemed a top 3 PG? He's had little playoff success, doesn't always look to make the "right" pass, and everybody is wowed by his ability to score 20 ppg even though it takes him some 17 shots to do so. Add to the fact that Deron gets easily frustrated with his teammates tells me he doesn't look like he'd be a fun guy to play with. Rondo could of been a big time player out of the gate, but he made big sacrifices to his game in order to mesh with the big 3. It's easy to say that any other PG would do the same, but when push comes to shove, how many of them honestly would? Rondo didn't get close to a max deal when he was a free agent, but Williams will even though he scored 21ppg on 40% shooting. People can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that a point guard can score 9-10 points in a game and still have a dominant control on the outcome. And getting 10 assists for the Celtics last year was no easy feat. With a team that can go 4-5 minutes without registering a field goal, assists sometimes came as a premium. Ray can hardly ever get himself open, KG often lives and dies by long jumpers, Pierce was wildly inconsistent, and Bass lived off jumpers too. I am still stunned how he kept up that assist streak as long as he did considering their overall sporadic offense.

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Deron Williams being a top3 point guard has to be one of the biggest myths in the NBA. What has this guy done in his career to be deemed a top 3 PG? He's had little playoff success, doesn't always look to make the "right" pass, and everybody is wowed by his ability to score 20 ppg even though it takes him some 17 shots to do so. Add to the fact that Deron gets easily frustrated with his teammates tells me he doesn't look like he'd be a fun guy to play with.

Did you see Deron in the playoffs before he was surrounded by the garbage Nets roster? Obviously not.


He's done more in the playoffs than Chris Paul (who I still rank above Deron).

[MAQ]

Only Celtics other than Rondo that can create their own offense is Pierce. Rose has Deng, who can create his own offense, so what you're saying makes no sense

Deng cannot create his own offense. If he could, the Bulls would have gotten past Philly.

Ray Allen is worlds better at creating his own offense than Deng.

[King Of The 4th]

Only Celtics other than Rondo that can create their own offense is Pierce. Rose has Deng, who can create his own offense, so what you're saying makes no sense

Deng cannot create his own offense. If he could, the Bulls would have gotten past Philly.

Ray Allen is worlds better at creating his own offense than Deng.

Someone hasn't watched a Celtics game in years.

[MAQ]

Only Celtics other than Rondo that can create their own offense is Pierce. Rose has Deng, who can create his own offense, so what you're saying makes no sense

Deng cannot create his own offense. If he could, the Bulls would have gotten past Philly.

Ray Allen is worlds better at creating his own offense than Deng.

Someone hasn't watched a Celtics game in years.

That quote has less to do with Ray Allen and moreso to do with Deng not being able to create anything at all.

[bballcool34]

People still think Ray Allen creates his own offense?

I love Ray but is this for real?

Aside from a pumpfake he uses now and again to get a nice pull up jumper or attack at the rim or the occasional pick he uses to take that famous off balance pull up, he really doesn't and can't create his own offense.

By that logic, players like Pietrus and even Pavlovic also create their own offenses since they also employ the pump fake routinely.

Ray is not a guy you give the ball to and say--- go create. Not at this stage of his career.

[lorak]

I wonder what rondo has to do to shut up the haters, cause clearly what hes done so far hasn't

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Does he have to turn into Magic Stockton?

He have to be consistent scoring threat. With consistent jumper he is top 5 PG in the NBA. Without that he's overrated and in top 10 range (so still very good).

[admarket]

He's not overrated, bu HE IS a star ballplayer!

[Infinite Llamas]

Deron Williams being a top3 point guard has to be one of the biggest myths in the NBA. What has this guy done in his career to be deemed a top 3 PG? He's had little playoff success, doesn't always look to make the "right" pass, and everybody is wowed by his ability to score 20 ppg even though it takes him some 17 shots to do so. Add to the fact that Deron gets easily frustrated with his teammates tells me he doesn't look like he'd be a fun guy to play with.

Did you see Deron in the playoffs before he was surrounded by the garbage Nets roster? Obviously not.

Nets, came out of the gates strong, and then, spent the majority of last year pouting and usin
He's done more in the playoffs than Chris Paul (who I still rank above Deron).

See though, I've always felt that a player's "greatness" can truly be defined when they're put in a position that challenges them. Deron went from a perennial playoff contender to the middling g the lack of tealent around him as a crutch to lean on. He didn't look like he gave a damn all year, and if that's the perceived attitude from the floor general, how will that rub off on the rest of the team? Maybe the Nets never had a chance last year, but it seems to me that Williams never gave them a chance after Lopez went down. And for all the "difficulty" to coach stuff that hangs around ROndo eevry year, between him and Williams, only one of tehm has been traded to date.

[Buckeyevstworld]

Give any PG 10 feet to operate and they'd rack up 10+ assists playing in a system that has as many set plays as the Celtics.

So you're saying Fisher or Blake could average 10+ assists? lol

[Blame Rasho]

He is a damn good player, and has the allstar and all nba nods to tell you that he isn't overrated.

[Infinite Llamas]

People still think Ray Allen creates his own offense?

I love Ray but is this for real?

Aside from a pumpfake he uses now and again to get a nice pull up jumper or attack at the rim or the occasional pick he uses to take that famous off balance pull up, he really doesn't and can't create his own offense.

By that logic, players like Pietrus and even Pavlovic also create their own offenses since they also employ the pump fake routinely.

Ray is not a guy you give the ball to and say--- go create. Not at this stage of his career.

^^this. Ray can hardly create his shot unless it is a catch and shoot. When he has to cretae his own shot, it usually results in a turnover because he can't dribble or pass. Don't let a couple of inspired possessions in the postseason fool you. On the offensive end, in most situations, he is often an albatross.

[sca]

I wonder what rondo has to do to shut up the haters, cause clearly what hes done so far hasn't

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Does he have to turn into Magic Stockton?

He have to be consistent scoring threat. With consistent jumper he is top 5 PG in the NBA. Without that he's overrated and in top 10 range (so still very good).

What a joke. If he had a consistent jumper, he'd be the undisputed best PG in the game. Not top 5 which he already is.

[KGboss]

Second best player in the playoffs this year is overrated.



Good one Kiddo.

Should have known the thread was made by a salty ass Laker fan who puts Rose at #1 and CP3 at #5 on his top 5 list.

[dice]

Thank god other people see what is so damn obvious.

Rondo is vastly overrated... He's a lower tier defender at his position yet some people like to claim he can lock down opponents whenever he wants!

i suppose kevin garnett made the celtics the 2nd best defensive team in the league all by himself?

opposing point guards had an EFG% of 41.8 when rondo was on the floor this season. they scored a mere .75 points per possession. this was not done by smoke and mirrors

for the "he just fills up the stat sheet" crowd, if others could do the same they would

[1Shooter]

Can't take this thread seriously. lol
I mean people dislike on Westbrook because he 'shoots too much as a point-guard'
People dislike on Rondo because 'he doesn't shoot enough'.....

Like are you kidding me?
What makes Rondo so great is that he can have his imprint on the game without scoring. He can assist and pass the ball to teammates at the ring moment, he's an unselfish player. He just want to pass the ball and make everyone else happy. Rondo can get you rebounds, which is surprising since he's a point-guard and his height, for him to rebound on a daily basis is just fantastic.

He is breaking out triple-doubles all the time, which is not that easy to do.
Rondo has an high basketball IQ which translates on the court.

A game I love watching is Game 7 vs 76ers, Paul Pierce got fouled out of the game and Rondo took over (with his scoring) to make sure Celtics win. With Rondo I think he doesn't think he needs to score, opposite from how Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook feel, they think the have to score. (which I tend to agree with most of the times)
All point guards are different, that's which makes it great to see now. All these different kinds of point guards emerging.


If anyone else had three hall of famers on they're team, I don't think they'll think they need to score all the time as well.

So I think to say Rondo is overrated is an understatement. At times I feel he's more underrated than overrated.

[Doormatt]

lol people dont "dislike" rondo because he doesnt shoot enough, they dislike him because he cant shoot if were going to simplify things like that. although it goes a bit deeper, really his lack of a consistent outside shot is what makes him a non-top 5 PG.

[sca]

lol people dont "dislike" rondo because he doesnt shoot enough, they dislike him because he cant shoot if were going to simplify things like that. although it goes a bit deeper, really his lack of a consistent outside shot is what makes him a non-top 5 PG.

6th best PG after Pikachu, Charmander and Bullshatomeleon?

[StojkoVrankovic]

lol people dont "dislike" rondo because he doesnt shoot enough, they dislike him because he cant shoot if were going to simplify things like that. although it goes a bit deeper, really his lack of a consistent outside shot is what makes him a non-top 5 PG.

You can keep the PGs who shoot better in the regular season and then shoot worse come playoff time, you know when the games really count.

I will take the PG who takes him game to another level and improves his shooting on a higher volume. The same PG who has been the best one in the playoffs

Go play with your Pokemon cards kid