Bogdan Tanjevic disses Kanter, Corbin, and the NBA

[Mass Rig]

Seems like you are not really watching basketball at all. Not the European basketball nor the NBA. I don't know why you are trying to be part of the discussion.

Yeah, right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vZOvMblvhI

[SunKing]

It's because we have so many players, and those with African roots at that, to choose from. Things like coaching and training can't possibly have any impact.

For years i'm claiming and arguing (with my fellows who are all basketball players, or coaches or do something relative to basketball), you put the entire american soil in the hands of european "experts" and they would basically destroy the entire NBA and the development of the next 35 generations.

They would say to Kobe Bryant that he shoots to much and they would put him on the bench.

They would say to Kevin Durant that he can't pull it from 30 and that his defense isn't good enough so they would cut his playing time to 15 minutes per game.

They would ran Steve Nash from the gym cause he dribbles to much and didn't make a pass when they told him to. Plus he's not playing any defense so he's definitely not in the greater scheme of things.

They would ignore Lebron James cause he doesn't have a 3 point shot, which is like alpha and omega in european way of thinking.

And i can't even imagine what would they do to the guys like Allen Iverson, Russel Westbrook, John Wall etc etc. They would have banned them from the game of basketball for life.

ROFL so much truth

BTW, I appreciated all of your posts, that was definitely exactly my feelings. When you talked about being 11 years old and being teach how to play zone defence that was like reading a part of my childhood

[Mass Rig]

ROFL so much truth

BTW, I appreciated all of your posts, that was definitely exactly my feelings. When you talked about being 11 years old and being teach how to play zone defence that was like reading a part of my childhood

You had a terrible coach, then. For example, under the rules of the Italian federation, zone defense is actually illegal until the 15 years old level.

[JustOneFix]

When you talked about being 11 years old and being teach how to play zone defence that was like reading a part of my childhood

Sadly, that's my story as well.

[JustOneFix]

You had a terrible coach, then.

He didn't have a terrible coach. He just had a regular european coach.

For example, under the rules of the Italian federation, zone defense is actually illegal until the 15 years old level.

Oh, that's what i call a progres! Sunny days awaits Italian basketball indeed!

[Mass Rig]

He didn't have a terrible coach. He just had a regular european coach.

Oh, that's what i call a progres! Sunny days awaits Italian basketball indeed!

Just funny to see how much ignorance there is about "european" basketball around here

[hsgm]

So many Euro posters here with inferiority complexes

[Nate505]

Not quite sure what's here to discuss - definitely Tanjevic is by far a better coach than Corbin, and definitely Kanter could have learned much more by spending the summer under Tanjevic with the Turkish team.

And Tanjevic is right - most actual coaching in the NBA is done by assistants, anyway.

Not from the current Turkey squad. I saw them and Kanter play last year, and they ran the worst offense I've ever seen. It was high school level pathetic. It wasn't even an offense, just a bunch of chuckers who threw the ball at the rim.

[Catchall]

Watching Turkey's guards run in circles and watching Hedo chuck from distance last year was pretty unpleasant. They'd have a decent team though with Ilyasova and Asik along with Kanter. It seems their coaching isn't very good if you ask me.

[Catchall]

Maybe Kanter can develop a killer cross and a step-back jumper in the U.S.?

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Why were people claiming kanter is a bust, when he's shown ability to rebound and score the basketball to some degree at the very least? The kids 19.

[erudite23]

Because he's white and in today's sports world, if you are drafted high you are a written off as a bust until you begin to produce like a top pick should. Kanter is coming along fine. The Jazz have as good a history of developing young talent as any team in the league. Enes will be fine, and as soon as he quits **** himself every time he has the ball, he'll have a very good outside shot to go along with a great post game, dominant rebounding and great post & pick n roll defense.

I will take that.

[Striders]

So many Euro posters here with inferiority complexes

You can be sure that every time International play, or some foreign born player is mentioned on the General board, that you're going to get a bunch of racist, and anti-NBA/anti-America posts. Usually in broken English. It's great hearing about how basketball "should be played" while our national team is winning every game by 30 points.


It's exactly like the article from Woj says. If our National Team members (Coaches, players, executives, whatever) were to say or do ANY of the offensive crap you hear from our opponents, they would get DESTROYED by the global community.

[Sedale Threatt]

You can be sure that every time International play, or some foreign born player is mentioned on the General board, that you're going to get a bunch of racist, and anti-NBA/anti-America posts. Usually in broken English. It's great hearing about how basketball "should be played" while our national team is winning every game by 30 points.

It's exactly like the article from Woj says. If our National Team members (Coaches, players, executives, whatever) were to say or do ANY of the offensive crap you hear from our opponents, they would get DESTROYED by the global community.

This post dovetails nicely with this one...

For all the talks about american arogancy and bla bla (which i rarely see) it's actually europeans that ridicule the NBA, and losing by 30 in the proces.

Christ, i can only imagine what kind of snobbery and arogancy the US would have faced had the Europeans were beating their asses by 30+ every world championship or the Olimpics.

It's completely surreal.

This is one of the main reasons I get so pumped up for these competitions. I really think there's a good percentage of foreign fans who thought we had been permanently surpassed when we fell asleep at the wheel. That has proven to be anything but the case. And when you get people like this coach who disparage our game -- and make no mistake, that's what he was doing -- it pisses me off.

[SunKing]

And you're right to be pissed off.

But hey that's what happen when you're at the top and clear cut number one. People get jealous/envious/hateful and you have so you even have to be a clear cut number one, any low (even minor) will be viewed as a counter-performance and you will get slack for it and at the same time you have to be a "great champion" with great sportmanship, being perfect, always praises for oppononent even when they **** all over your face.

BTW, you can see this on any sport forum about any player/team.

I remember 2000 Olympics, France thought Team USA where disgraceful etc... because there were trash talks and that type of stuff. Come on now it was a team led by Gary Payton and Kevin Garnett with Vince Carter as sidekick what you were waiting from them ? They were talking trash on the court all their life and it happened that to their eyes you were a bunch of nobodies, get over it. Plus, history showed that 2 years later they would get caught up with karma about being over-confident, in my eyes that's enough of a punishment, no need for more IMHO.

[pohani komarac]

I remember 2000 Olympics, France thought Team USA where disgraceful etc... because there were trash talks and that type of stuff. Come on now it was a team led by Gary Payton and Kevin Garnett with Vince Carter as sidekick what you were waiting from them ? They were talking trash on the court all their life and it happened that to their eyes you were a bunch of nobodies, get over it. Plus, history showed that 2 years later they would get caught up with karma about being over-confident, in my eyes that's enough of a punishment, no need for more IMHO.

It's beacuse of cultural differences and lack of knowlege and understanding for that. That's why some people in Europe think USA is bunch of snobs. I can say that most people in Croatia said same thing about this team, but only do to lack of knowlege about USA culture. For them picture of US team in "gangsta" style is lack of sportmanship. That's normal. Same goes around. To me it's normal to say for some soft player that he plays like women, Vucevic said that in USA and he had problems with some femeni organisations. On in this forum I noticed that critic opinion is described as "you are heater", wich kind confused me before I relised it's part of Realgm culture. In eurpope trash talking or chest pumping after dunk is tought disgracfull and would mostle be booed here, especially on road games.

I think bouth sides just need more understanding and knowlege about each other. That's it.

[Sedale Threatt]

And you're right to be pissed off.

But hey that's what happen when you're at the top and clear cut number one. People get jealous/envious/hateful and you have so you even have to be a clear cut number one, any low (even minor) will be viewed as a counter-performance and you will get slack for it and at the same time you have to be a "great champion" with great sportmanship, being perfect, always praises for oppononent even when they **** all over your face.

BTW, you can see this on any sport forum about any player/team.

I remember 2000 Olympics, France thought Team USA where disgraceful etc... because there were trash talks and that type of stuff. Come on now it was a team led by Gary Payton and Kevin Garnett with Vince Carter as sidekick what you were waiting from them ? They were talking trash on the court all their life and it happened that to their eyes you were a bunch of nobodies, get over it. Plus, history showed that 2 years later they would get caught up with karma about being over-confident, in my eyes that's enough of a punishment, no need for more IMHO.

I think a lot of Americans were embarrassed by that as well, not to mention the 1996 team with Larry Johnson and his constant crotch-grabbing and all the complaining about playing time. There's a fine line between competitive exuberance and embarrassing your opponent, and some of our teams/players routinely crossed it. At any rate, that's been a huge point of emphasis under Jerry Colangelo, and I haven't seen anything too major with some of our recent teams.

Way more than that, however, it's the coaches like this, and the various posters who peddle the same garbage, that really irritate. You can tell, even after we've completely and utterly dominated the competition over the last four or five years, that they still think we're just a bunch of jive-asses who can only dunk and don't have any clue about the finer points of the game. Conveniently forgetting details like the fact that this might have been the best-shooting international team in history.

We don't just throw out collections of All-Stars any more. These are great teams, and as GS pointed out, we must be doing something right to produce them.

[Jase]

I just get annoyed how these euro coaches think they are better when they are not . I actually think some are actually racist .

What did he say that gave you that impression? He has a better grasp on Kanter than any RealGM poster, or even Corbin, himself. I also don't see how he "disses" Kanter. He stated an opinion on Kanter's ability and place on the national team.

Much ado about nothing, if you ask me.

[SunKing]

I totally concur

I think a lot of Americans were embarrassed by that as well, not to mention the 1996 team with Larry Johnson and his constant crotch-grabbing and all the complaining about playing time. There's a fine line between competitive exuberance and embarrassing your opponent, and some of our teams/players routinely crossed it. At any rate, that's been a huge point of emphasis under Jerry Colangelo, and I haven't seen anything too major with some of our recent teams.

Yeah they crossed the line but to me it doesn't give you (europeans) to cross the line between attitude and the game. Too many times I argued with people about this debate about US being best basketball nation and when I annihilated (sorry if this word doesn't exist lol) their arguments it always end by a "yeah but at the end of the day those US **** are too arrogant".

Way more than that, however, it's the coaches like this, and the various posters who peddle the same garbage, that really irritate. You can tell, even after we've completely and utterly dominated the competition over the last four or five years, that they still think we're just a bunch of jive-asses who can only dunk and don't have any clue about the finer points of the game. Conveniently forgetting details like the fact that this might have been the best-shooting international team in history.

Yeah that's the funniest thing. But it's a mix of a lot of stuff. Ignorance, jealousy etc...

Like the legendary "euros have better fundamentals and are way better shooter". Of course the like of Gianluca Basile and Juanca Navarro with their **** athleticism are going to settle around their strenghts and "looking" fundementally sound player while LeBron because he's straight beasting to the hoop and jumping higher than everybody he's just a athlete.

I'll always remember Ettore Messina while he was an assistant for the Lakers telling that US where better (or at least) shooter but the intensity and defense they face was so big it kill the %.

Honestly having Melo and Durant in the same team was like watching Oscar Schmidt/Drazen Petrovic/Nick Galis (well they are better but you understand where I'm going) in their prime when they were doing those 50 points games.

If you really analyze the Olympics, Team USA won by hammering everybody, dominates one of the best (or arguably the best) international team of all time which strenght (PF/C) were the main weakness of Team USA.

No very elaborate team play from US, playing some defense there and there, LeBron was the maestro, Durant and Melo were jackin' up 3's, they tried to get a fast tempo to the game... and that's it. Don't get me wrong, I was very happy and cheered for USA (France aside), that was great, that was what I wanted to see, but it didn't take rocket science to make them play together in order to win gold with a good style and I'm good with it and it just show that USA players where that good. As you said, that just demonstrate that you're doing right.

[Mass Rig]

Like the legendary "euros have better fundamentals and are way better shooter". Of course the like of Gianluca Basile and Juanca Navarro with their **** athleticism are going to settle around their strenghts and "looking" fundementally sound player while LeBron because he's straight beasting to the hoop and jumping higher than everybody he's just a athlete.

It's a little more than that. The point is that modern day NBA really favors athleticism over technique. It's a matter of how the game is called, and what the rules are rewarding. Just compare Jordan and Lebron. Jordan had perfect technique, poetry in motion. Lebron is a beast. I simply think that Americans are focusing less on techniques, nowadays, because technique is not rewarded anymore as it used to be in the past.

If you really analyze the Olympics, Team USA won by hammering everybody, dominates one of the best (or arguably the best) international team of all time which strenght (PF/C) were the main weakness of Team USA.

No very elaborate team play from US, playing some defense there and there, LeBron was the maestro, Durant and Melo were jackin' up 3's, they tried to get a fast tempo to the game... and that's it. Don't get me wrong, I was very happy and cheered for USA (France aside), that was great, that was what I wanted to see, but it didn't take rocket science to make them play together in order to win gold with a good style and I'm good with it and it just show that USA players where that good. As you said, that just demonstrate that you're doing right.

For the same reason, a Spanish team coached by an Italian almost upset one of the best teams ever. Same for Lithuania. Evidently, even the Europeans are doing something right, aren't they?