Kings <not> going to give Andre Iguodala a max contract

YourRoseness · Post #121 » by **YourRoseness** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:29 am

If the Kings know what is good for them they will start tanking for the next draft for guys like Wiggins, like several other teams are.

Palmeirense · Post #122 » by **Palmeirense** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:32 am

Paradise wrote:
pr0wler wrote:Horrible signing for the Kings, this team has 0 structure or direction of where they're going. Basically like the Bucks of the West.

How? They would have a nice trio of McLemore, Iggy, Cousins.

I'm not even sure if that's enough to make the playoffs in the west. I don't like this at all.

Yoshun · Post #123 » by **Yoshun** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:33 am

heh wrote:sacramento needs a good veteran presence. its a good move. they could be a potential playoff team with iggy

I hear what you're saying and I agree that he's a good player, a good fit, and could make them a fringe playoff team (though I think that's a long shot). However, I still don't think he's worth a max. He's worth around 8 -12 million, 12 being on the high side. He's a 3rd option/solid defender/role player type, not a franchise type.

JDizzel3000 · Post #124 » by **JDizzel3000** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:34 am

heh wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:You know what this reminds me of? It's kinda like when the bulls went out and signed Ben Wallace to all of that money ... It was the same kind of talk ... " he's gonna be good for the youngsters" "defensive impact" etc etc etc

Yeah..............................

the only difference was wallace was one dimensional and past his prime. iggy is a good fit

Mehhhhhhhhhhh you might want to go take a look at AI numbers again from last season ...

SacTownKings4Life · Post #125 » by **SacTownKings4Life** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:34 am

I don't known man. Suppose we hadn't taken a chance in trading Richmond for Webber, signing Divac, and bringing them together with a freshly drafted J-Will, for the sake of continuing to "rebuild". Who on that team stuck out as an immediate impact player capable of driving a championship contender? You never know how good a team can be on the court just because they don't look GREAT on paper. And you're also not going to build a contending team overnight or based SOLELY on draft picks. That team had a gradual progression up the ranks. From 99-02 we went from 6 seed to 8 seed (OMG! Treadmill!) to 3 seed to 1 seed. If you don't focus on getting your foot in the door, you'll never BE a contender in the first place. Let's cut out this losing mentality once and for all. I say make a run to GET to the playoffs and then make moves to improve as you go. Its a process, not a button push.

Viper1500 · Post #126 » by **Viper1500** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:35 am

Much needed locker room presence, I think it's a good signing but 2-3m a yr overpaid.

Palmeirense · Post #127 » by **Palmeirense** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:36 am

Plus, this is a season worth tanking for, i sincerely don't get this move. But maybe i'm wrong, who knows.

BayWarrior · Post #128 » by **BayWarrior** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:38 am

Kings signing Iggy is similar to GS signing Lee to that contract when Lacob and Gruber bought the team. They brought in a high character Vet to change the culture of the franchise. If Iggy has the same effect on players like Cousins then the Kings win the deal even if they paid too much.

heh · Post #129 » by **heh** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:41 am

JDizzel3000 wrote:
heh wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:You know what this reminds me of? It's kinda like when the bulls went out and signed Ben Wallace to all of that money ... It was the same kind of talk ... " he's gonna be good for the youngsters" "defensive impact" etc etc etc

Yeah..............................

the only difference was wallace was one dimensional and past his prime. iggy is a good fit

Mehhhhhhhhhhh you might want to go take a look at AI numbers again from last season ...

iggy is there to change the culture of the team. sacramento is filled with scorers. you must be one of those basketball fans that judges a player by his box score. :lol:

bibby1023 · Post #130 » by **bibby1023** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:44 am

Yoshun wrote:
heh wrote:sacramento needs a good veteran presence. its a good move. they could be a potential playoff team with iggy

I hear what you're saying and I agree that he's a good player, a good fit, and could make them a fringe playoff team (though I think that's a long shot). However, I still don't think he's worth a max. He's worth around 8 -12 million, 12 being on the high side. He's a 3rd option/solid defender/role player type, not a franchise type.

He's not being offered the max

JDizzel3000 · Post #131 » by **JDizzel3000** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:46 am

heh wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:
heh wrote:
the only difference was wallace was one dimensional and past his prime. iggy is a good fit

Mehhhhhhhhhhh you might want to go take a look at AI numbers again from last season ...

iggy is there to change the culture of the team. sacramento is filled with scorers. you must be one of those basketball fans that judges a player by his box score.

Iggy has never "changed the culture" of any team .. Lol

You must be one of those basketball fans that judge players off of imagination ..... Lololololol

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Browns16 · Post #132 » by **Browns16** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:46 am

He they sign him and win some games so the cavs get their pick...lol

510TWSS · Post #133 » by **510TWSS** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:49 am

It is a pretty penny, but the Kings are basically at step one in their rebuild right now with new ownership and coach. It's going to take absurd contracts like this to get decent FA's to come through Sactown. Not saying it's right or wrong, but they could find a worse player to invest that kind of money in. I'll wait and see before I judge.

heh · Post #134 » by **heh** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:50 am

JDizzel3000 wrote:
heh wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:
Mehhhhhhhhhhh you might want to go take a look at AI numbers again from last season ...

iggy is there to change the culture of the team. sacramento is filled with scorers. you must be one of those basketball fans that judges a player by his box score.

Iggy has never "changed the culture" of any team .. Lol

You must be one of those basketball fans that judge players off of imagination ..... Lololololol

....

second most (Please Use More Appropriate Word) thing i have read all day. congrats. iggy is a steady veteran presence which Sacramento's locker room sorely needs

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #135 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 4:53 am

I think this is a great signing if the Kings pull it off. SF is the Kings biggest weakness. Huge possibility they sign Iguodola and amnesty Salmons in the near future, who only has 1 year left (team option on the last year).

JDizzel3000 · Post #136 » by **JDizzel3000** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 5:01 am

heh wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:
heh wrote:
iggy is there to change the culture of the team. sacramento is filled with scorers. you must be one of those basketball fans that judges a player by his box score.

Iggy has never "changed the culture" of any team .. Lol

You must be one of those basketball fans that judge players off of imagination ..... Lololololol

....

second most (Please Use More Appropriate Word) thing i have read all day. congrats. iggy is a steady veteran presence which Sacramento's locker room sorely needs

You can call it whatever you want .... But when your dealing with facts .... You can't back up your talk ... Where has Iggy changed a culture? Ever? In his career?

You see just because you sayyyy something ... Just because you thinnnnk something ... Dosent actually make it true .... You see because in the reallll world we don't use imagination to make a point .... We actually use factual points of refrence ...

Can you do that?

Ohhh ...ok

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #137 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 5:06 am

JDizzel3000 wrote:
heh wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:

Iggy has never "changed the culture" of any team .. Lol

You must be one of those basketball fans that judge players off of imagination ..... Lololololol

....

second most (Please Use More Appropriate Word) thing i have read all day. congrats. iggy is a steady veteran presence which Sacramento's locker room sorely needs

You can call it whatever you want .... But when your dealing with facts .... You can't back up your talk ... Where has Iggy changed a culture? Ever? In his career?

You see just because you sayyyy something ... Just because you thinnnnk something ... Dosent actually make it true .... You see because in the reallll world we don't use imagination to make a point .... We actually use factual points of refrence ...

Can you do that?

Ohhh ...ok

The culture itself is going to change given the fact the Kings have new ownership, a new GM and a new coach. Iggy is a hard working veteran, who will bring a lot to a young team. He will not be expected to change the culture completely by himself, he will only be expected to lead by example and be a veteran presence. The idea is a step in the right direction for the Kings. It also only a four year contract, not a 7 year contract like some of these people used to get. Even he falls off in his last year, the hope would be that the other guys would be stepping up

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

heh wrote:sacramento needs a good veteran presence. its a good move. they could be a potential playoff team with iggy

Alright I give up, what is "potential playoff team" code for?

heh · Post #139 » by **heh** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 5:07 am

JDizzel3000 wrote:
heh wrote:
JDizzel3000 wrote:

Iggy has never "changed the culture" of any team .. Lol

You must be one of those basketball fans that judge players off of imagination ..... Lololololol

....

second most (Please Use More Appropriate Word) thing i have read all day. congrats. iggy is a steady veteran presence which Sacramento's locker room sorely needs

You can call it whatever you want .... But when your dealing with facts .... You can't back up your talk ... Where has Iggy changed a culture? Ever? In his career?

You see just because you sayyyy something ... Just because you thinnnnk something ... Dosent actually make it true .... You see because in the reallll world we don't use imagination to make a point .... We actually use factual points of refrence ...

Can you do that?

Ohhh ...ok

philadelphia-perennial playoff team with iggy
denver-was a legit threat in the west until gallo went down

looks like i win this round again.

heh · Post #140 » by **heh** » Wed Jul 3, 2013 5:12 am

StojkoVrankovic wrote:
heh wrote:sacramento needs a good veteran presence. its a good move. they could be a potential playoff team with iggy

Alright I give up, what is "potential playoff team" code for?

kings have always had a deficit when it came to filling their small forward position. they have been using evans and salmons as their 3's when they were 2's. iggy is a good lockerroom guy, which is what sacramento needs. they have a nice team now.
pg-thomas/freddete
sg-thornton/mcclemore
sf-iggy/salmons
pf-thompson
c-cousins/hayes

with the decline of the lakers and mavs the kings could potentially sneak into that 8th spot. iggy will help with defense and passing which is what they have been lacking from the sf position.