Pacers Finalizing $90M Extension For Paul George

[dice]

He's already played 3 years, and usually players have shown the level of play they're capable of by the end of their 3rd year. If that's the case with George then this contract is awful.

that's nonsense. he's already a very good player and elite defensively. joe johnson's contract was awful

If Luol Deng was making $18 million a year would you consider that awful?

yes. paul george is much better than deng

[Nuntius]

Somebody's gonna have to explain to me where this "potential" lies.

He just turned 23. Players are not supposed to peak at such a young age. They are expected to continue improving and reach their peak when they become 27-28. That's 4 more years of improvement and George is already considered a top 15 player (hence his selection in the All-NBA team).

[CousinOfDeath]

Somebody's gonna have to explain to me where this "potential" lies.

He just turned 23. Players are not supposed to peak at such a young age. They are expected to continue improving and reach their peak when they become 27-28. That's 4 more years of improvement and George is already considered a top 15 player (hence his selection in the All-NBA team).

Peak happens around 27 but the improvement from the 3rd year in the league to players' peaks is slow and linear while improvement in the first 3 years is usually exponentially. You usually know what a player is by his 3rd year.

[Nuntius]

if players were required to take nothing but hook shots you'd be onto something

The point is that this is an offensive skill that we're talking about

the point is, having a hook shot doesn't make one a good offensive player. you need a lot more than that. this is not a conversation about whether he has ANY offensive skills. we're talking about his total offensive game

Roy Hibbert's post game is not "only a hook shot". Hibbert has a complete post-up game. He is also a very good FT shooter and has a mediocre jump shot. What Hibbert lacks offensively is the speed and agility to become a prime PnR receiver. But as a post player he is very advanced.

[Nuntius]

Somebody's gonna have to explain to me where this "potential" lies.

He just turned 23. Players are not supposed to peak at such a young age. They are expected to continue improving and reach their peak when they become 27-28. That's 4 more years of improvement and George is already considered a top 15 player (hence his selection in the All-NBA team).

Peak happens around 27 but the improvement from the 3rd year in the league to players' peaks is slow and linear while improvement in the first 3 years is usually exponentially. You usually know what a player is by his 3rd year.

And what we know at the moment is that George is at least a top 10-15 player with the potential to be a top 5 one.

[CousinOfDeath]

that's nonsense. he's already a very good player and elite defensively. joe johnson's contract was awful

If Luol Deng was making $18 million a year would you consider that awful?

yes. paul george is much better than deng

Is he? Look at the 3rd year comparisons:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2013

Both are in the same tier of defending. I don't see why George is better.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

this is it for George, he doesn't have the handles to be a Star Offensive player.

****, you're right.

You should probably send out a memo to every hard working 23 year old and tell them they've peaked.

[CousinOfDeath]

He just turned 23. Players are not supposed to peak at such a young age. They are expected to continue improving and reach their peak when they become 27-28. That's 4 more years of improvement and George is already considered a top 15 player (hence his selection in the All-NBA team).

Peak happens around 27 but the improvement from the 3rd year in the league to players' peaks is slow and linear while improvement in the first 3 years is usually exponentially. You usually know what a player is by his 3rd year.

And what we know at the moment is that George is at least a top 10-15 player with the potential to be a top 5 one.

I'm saying George doesn't have anywhere close to top 5 player potential, because in order to do that he'd have to increase his scoring output by a ton and through 3 years he hasn't shown the ability to produce at that level. And since it's already been 3 years and players usually show what they are by their 3rd year, he's not going to become that force and therefore won't become a top 5 player, ever.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

The funny thing is, if George signed with all these haters teams(at same price), they would be THRILLED.

[Nuntius]

Or how about Realgm, where if my favorite young player isn't good on offense let's overrate his defense to justify my man crush.

By the way, Paul George is not my favorite young player. Jonas Valanciunas is.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Love the logic by a lot of people here:

Paul George made an All-NBA team at 22/23 years old, they should let him sign with some other team!

[Nuntius]

Peak happens around 27 but the improvement from the 3rd year in the league to players' peaks is slow and linear while improvement in the first 3 years is usually exponentially. You usually know what a player is by his 3rd year.

And what we know at the moment is that George is at least a top 10-15 player with the potential to be a top 5 one.

I'm saying George doesn't have anywhere close to top 5 player potential, because in order to do that he'd have to increase his scoring output by a ton and through 3 years he hasn't shown the ability to produce at that level. And since it's already been 3 years and players usually show what they are by their 3rd year, he's not going to become that force and therefore won't become a top 5 player, ever.

Prior to this year several people said that they don't see Paul George becoming an All-Star. They also said that he seems as a 3rd option offensively. After this season, people are talking about whether he is top 10 player or not. That's a clear indication that those people who doubted his ability to become an All-Star were wrong.

You have every right to believe that he doesn't have anywhere close to top 5 player potential. But that's only your opinion. It's not a fact. We will see if you're right or wrong in the next few years.

[Optms]

90 million should be bonafide superstar tier, MVP player type money. I like George but that's not his ceiling.

70-75 Mil is what he should have gotten. Another win for the agents.

[Colbinii]

Is he? Look at the 3rd year comparisons:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2013

Both are in the same tier of defending. I don't see why George is better.

Deng is a better shooter while George is a better rebounder and passer.

What I find funny is people glamour over Georges playoffs, yet Deng at the same time in his career was a better playoff performer than George.

George is the most overrated player on realgm. People think he is a top 10-15 player?
He may be a top 25 player but his defense gets way overrated to make up for his below average scoring game.

[Nuntius]

George is the most overrated player on realgm. People think he is a top 10-15 player?

I guess the NBA overrates him as well then. Being chosen for an All-NBA team means that you are considered at least a top 15 player.

[dice]

If Luol Deng was making $18 million a year would you consider that awful?

yes. paul george is much better than deng

Is he? Look at the 3rd year comparisons:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&y2=2013

Both are in the same tier of defending. I don't see why George is better.

deng's defense is overrated and we're not discussing deng as a 3rd year player. we're talking about the present and the future

[Colbinii]

Prior to this year several people said that they don't see Paul George becoming an All-Star. They also said that he seems as a 3rd option offensively. After this season, people are talking about whether he is top 10 player or not. That's a clear indication that those people who doubted his ability to become an All-Star were wrong.

You have every right to believe that he doesn't have anywhere close to top 5 player potential. But that's only your opinion. It's not a fact. We will see if you're right or wrong in the next few years.

George is a 3rd option offensively, maybe 2nd if your 1st is a GREAT scorer. Have you seen his efficiency as a scorer? He is in the Gay/Johnson/Walker/Jennings/Gordon/Afflalo/Smith tier as a shooter.

So yeah, he is still a poor 2nd/good 3rd option for scoring.

[CousinOfDeath]

Here are who I think are the top 10 or so players in the league and what they put up in their 3rd years in the league. Ignore the order this is rough.

1. Lebron- 31/6.6/7
2. Durant- 30.1/2.8/7.6
3. Paul- 21.1/11.6/4
4. Rose- 25/7.7/4
5. Kobe- 19.9/3/5
6. Howard- 17.6/12.3
7. Melo- 26.5/2/5
8. Harden- 16.6/4/3
9. Wade- 27/6/5
10. Dirk- 21.8/9.2
11. Parker- 14.7/5/3
12. Curry- 14.7/5.3/3
13. Westbrook- 21.9/8/4
14. Gasol- 11.7/7
15. Williams- 18.8/10.5/3
16. Griffin- 18/8.8/3
17. Love- 20.2/15.2/2
18. Aldridge- 18.1/7.5/2
19. Smith- 16.4/8.3/3

Players who improved significantly after year 3: Kobe, Harden, Parker, Curry, Gasol

Kobe came out of high school, and his 3rd year was the weird lock out season. The next year he grew into a star.

Harden was playing 6th man on the Thunder and we know what happened after that.

Parker was a young European in Pop's system and it took him a while to develop.

Curry only played 26 games. Then he had last season and played like a monster.

Gasol had a weird off year in his 3rd year, he was actually better his first 2 years, and then he got better. Gasol has an odd game though and most of his value comes from defense and passing which don't always show well in stats. It also usually takes big men a little longer to develop.

Players show most of their cards by year 3 and don't make massive improvements afterward unless it's due to odd circumstances like not starting or getting injured. Nobody goes from top 20 to top 5 if they haven't shown extended flashes of brilliance by their 3rd year.

[Colbinii]

George is the most overrated player on realgm. People think he is a top 10-15 player?

I guess the NBA overrates him as well then. Being chosen for an All-NBA team means that you are considered at least a top 15 player.

No it doesn't. It means you are a top 6 forward with a few PF injured that are better than you like Kevin Love.

You realize only 2 players had less that 130 votes right? David Lee and George, with George getting the least amount of votes out of all the all nba players...

So I would take all the all nba players over George mines lee, so thats 13 players, plus Kevin Love, LMA, Bosh, Pierce, Williams, and Curry. So that puts him in the 20-25 range.

[Nuntius]

Prior to this year several people said that they don't see Paul George becoming an All-Star. They also said that he seems as a 3rd option offensively. After this season, people are talking about whether he is top 10 player or not. That's a clear indication that those people who doubted his ability to become an All-Star were wrong.

You have every right to believe that he doesn't have anywhere close to top 5 player potential. But that's only your opinion. It's not a fact. We will see if you're right or wrong in the next few years.

George is a 3rd option offensively, maybe 2nd if your 1st is a GREAT scorer. Have you seen his efficiency as a scorer? He is in the Gay/Johnson/Walker/Jennings/Gordon/Afflalo/Smith tier as a shooter.

So yeah, he is still a poor 2nd/good 3rd option for scoring.

Well, the Pacers did fine with him as a 1st option last year