Prokorov wrote:Rapcity_11 wrote:
110 Ortg isn't innefficient FYI.
53 TS% is slightly below average.
offensive rating is more of a team stat then an indivdual stat and is heavily influence by the other 9 players on the floor. its a poor way to determine how efficeint a player is offensively. i mean, hell reggie evans had a 108 offensive rating last year, and as bad as it gets offensively.
PER and TS are much better for individual players. he is below average in both areas
No, that's Drtg, offensive rating is also an individual stat actually. Offensive rating always has to be compared with usage.
Also, you quoted Reggie's numbers wrong. Reggie had a 108 Ortg with the Kings, don't get it confused, that's not what he had for the year (102). That's because in his 24 games there he had a .556 TS% when he's usually about 5% lower. With Brooklyn he had a 94 Ortg, combine that with his very low usage and that represents a TERRIBLE offensive player.
Reggie for his career has a 103 Ortg, which is below average, then when you add his low usage, it confirms that yes, Reggie is a bad offensive player. Offensive rating has to be compared with usage, that's part of how the stat works.
Reggie Evans is generally saved from being terrible with his Ortg because he's a great offensive rebounder and offensive rebounds extend possessions and are therefore positive to offense. The problem is that he does too many negative things on offense (poor finishing, turnovers) that offensive rebounds can't save him. The best rebounder/finisher guys usually have Ortg's in the high teens, but Reggie can't finish and turns it over too much (offensive fouls on screens, etc). So even then, his 108 Ortg in Sacramento with low usage is still not anything special.
Lastly, Ortg like any other stat needs context and interpretation, there's noise there too. First you have to compare to usage (or just know player roles), DeAndre Jordan will have a great Ortg, so will Tyson Chandler, doesn't mean they are great offensive players, but it means they are very good to great offensive role players. You want your role players to be efficient, make your shots, don't turn it over. After comparing to usage/role then you also have to take the players skills into account. Reggie is a poor finisher, can't shoot, so he crowds the floor, isn't much of a passer. So he can hurt your offense in a lot of ways, but 5 offensive rebs/36 help, but not enough and Ortg still says he's a bad offensive player which is what we see.
