2014-2015 NBA MVP Discussion

[JLei]

Steph's the MVP right now however except for injury I'm almost certain Lebron will end up winning it.

The other guy that could challenge him for it is out a third of the season and that team will win a bunch of games just on talent even if they don't gel which it seems like they are starting to on offense. And he's going to put up Lebron-ish numbers and have Lebron-ish impact (even if it's slightly less it's still above everyone else).

Steph and Harden are 1-2 right now though. Good for them. Nice to see them doing really well.

[tsherkin]

After 7 games:

23.6 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 3.0 apg, 35.7 mpg

48.6% FG, 15.9 FGA/g, 36.0% 3P, 3.6 3PA/g (career-high, and on career-high volume; candidate for regression), 81.4% FT, 8.4 FTA/g

119 ORTG, 60.2% TS, 10.5% TOV, 26.8% DRB (career-high, candidate for regression), .532 FTR

0-3: 60.9% (probably going up over the course of the season)
3-10: 41.7% (probably won't change THAT much)
10-16: 50.0% (might slip, as it's presently a career-high; might not, since it's only +1.9%)
16-23: 51.4% (probably not going to maintain on nearly 32% of his total FGA)


Looks like he's having a great start to the season. Most of what he's doing is within the bounds of what he's done before, too, so a large chunk of this performance could maintain if he stays healthy. I think his defensive rebounding, 3pt shooting and his touch on long twos will slip a bit by the end of the season... but really, that leaves him as a guy who'll probably sit around 22 - 23 ppg at something like 58% TS (give or take), which is a lot like what he was doing in Toronto. That's about expected. 23/10 on that efficiency is a guy who should probably be IN the MVP discussion when all's said and done (especially if his team finishes with 50+ wins), but probably doesn't win it. I can see him finishing behind Lebron, Curry, Anthony Davis and then having to still deal with Cousins and Harden, depending on their respective team records. Being a potential top 4 to top 6 player in the MVP vote is nice, and would mark the first time in his career he's reached that level. In 07, he finished 7th in the vote, and he finished 12th in 2010 in his only two showings in the MVP vote.

Miami is presently 5-2, which is the same as their Pythagorean predicted record. They're currently 5th on O and 20th on D. Generally, that kind of disparity will tend to undermine their overall record. They are sitting just shy of a 111 team ORTG, 110.9, which is the same ORTG they had last year (and also ranked 5th). Deng and Shawne Williams have been shooting well, Wade's doing well overall even though he hasn't found the touch on his long J yet... But it's 7 games. We'll see what happens on the balance of the season. I get the sense that when Wade takes his annual sabbatical for injury, the team will have considerably more difficulty and will end up in the 47- to 52-win range overall (and we'll see if Bosh stays healthy as well, which would be nice). Which is still really good considering who they lost, of course. And will still help Bosh end up in that top 10 ranking during the MVP vote.

Time will tell, but he's been playing very, very well so far.

[MisterHibachi]

But does Bosh really deserve MVP votes because I feel Wade is much more important to Miami's success than him.

[antistrat]

The ones I personally see as possible MVP candidates:

James
Durant
Griffin
Curry
Harden

All depends on how their teams do though..

Yeah. Anthony Davis too. Maybe somebody on the Heat - either Wade or Bosh - depending on how they do. Rose perhaps can be thrown in there eventually.

It's really too early to be talking about MVP.

[Ballerhogger]

Durant won't get it this year. This injury and a late start will be too late.

Curry
James
Lowry
Bosh
is what i got for my end of the year predictions.

As of now

[Ballerhogger]

But does Bosh really deserve MVP votes because I feel Wade is much more important to Miami's success than him.

Wade is pretty important but Bosh gives them a legit chance in east being a big man who can stretch the floor and who is rebounding quite well right now.

[MixedUp]

The ones I personally see as possible MVP candidates:

James
Durant
Griffin
Curry
Harden

All depends on how their teams do though..

Yeah. Anthony Davis too. Maybe somebody on the Heat - either Wade or Bosh - depending on how they do. Rose perhaps can be thrown in there eventually.

It's really too early to be talking about MVP.

Ant is #1

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[kingkirk]

But does Bosh really deserve MVP votes because I feel Wade is much more important to Miami's success than him.

I don't know if i could split Wade of Bosh right now.

If you take away Bosh, that front court looks really weak. He still is providing a tonne of versatility for the Heat despite Lebron being gone, and his offensive play to date has been stellar.

That said, i can see the argument for Wade and his perimeter game, but i don't know if i would say he is more important or critical to the Heat, especially with Bosh being the more complete and two way guy at this point in there careers.

[lukekarts]

But does Bosh really deserve MVP votes because I feel Wade is much more important to Miami's success than him.

Yes - because Bosh is the one stepping up back to his old self, taking up the scoring load as hoped/expected.

[Hans Embiid]

[The Realist]

Still can't see how Lebron doesn't win it if he gets into form relatively quickly and stays uninjured throughout the season. Maybe if the Cavs never sort out the defense, the record could be bad enough to give it to someone else.

[Shewasfly]

But does Bosh really deserve MVP votes because I feel Wade is much more important to Miami's success than him.

He is. A lot of attention is going to Bosh right now because of his numbers, and people who don't actually watch Heat games will look at his numbers and type a lot about that. But the truth is if you watch the games you'll know a large part of Bosh's numbers has to do with Wade creating and all the attention he draws. The same is not really at all true in reverse, so I would give the edge to Wade in terms of importance for the Heat's success.

The media is going to be very biased against Wade for obvious reasons though, so I doubt he gets the attention he deserves. Once it becomes more obvious Wade is the key to Miami's success it'll turn into a "team-oriented" success story and there will no longer be any MVP candidates on the Heat that the media allows to be pushed.

[Sonny Carson]

If Wade could pick up his scoring he'd be legit candidate for MVP.

His floor game has been great so far.

[Rock Hardy]

But does Bosh really deserve MVP votes because I feel Wade is much more important to Miami's success than him.

He is. A lot of attention is going to Bosh right now because of his numbers, and people who don't actually watch Heat games will look at his numbers and type a lot about that. But the truth is if you watch the games you'll know a large part of Bosh's numbers has to do with Wade creating and all the attention he draws. The same is not really at all true in reverse, so I would give the edge to Wade in terms of importance for the Heat's success.

The media is going to be very biased against Wade for obvious reasons though, so I doubt he gets the attention he deserves. Once it becomes more obvious Wade is the key to Miami's success it'll turn into a "team-oriented" success story and there will no longer be any MVP candidates on the Heat that the media allows to be pushed.

Wade is as successful as he is because Bosh is there. Wade is off to a good start, but he's not out playing Bosh, nor is he the most important guy on the floor. Bosh anchors the defense and offense. Just because he's not a primary ball handler doesn't diminish his efforts.

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[cyclix]

Most Heat dans that watch the team night in and night out know whats up. Wade is Miamis most important player. All these people vouching for Bosh don't even watch Miami play.

[MisterHibachi]

Most Heat dans that watch the team night in and night out know whats up. Wade is Miamis most important player. All these people vouching for Bosh don't even watch Miami play.

But you were arguing for Bosh as MVP in his PC board thread.

[cyclix]

Most Heat dans that watch the team night in and night out know whats up. Wade is Miamis most important player. All these people vouching for Bosh don't even watch Miami play.

But you were arguing for Bosh as MVP in his PC board thread.

I never said Bosh was Miamis most important player, but he is putting up MVP type numbers, so MVP consideration should be given. But lets not get carried away with saying he is Miamis most important player. That is Dwyane Wade easily.

[MoneyMo]

Bosh back to being a utter scrub against the pacers as usual.

[R U Legit]

Davis does it again with a 25/12/6/1/1 on 12-16 shooting %

[jinishima]

Davis does it again with a 25/12/6/1/1 on 12-16 shooting %

This is just becoming downright laughable