Woj: Kanter signing an offer sheet w/Portland

OldeBoy · Post #121 » by **OldeBoy** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 9:33 pm

LoyalKing wrote:
basketbrawler wrote:Worst big man defender in the NBA

Soft in the head too

Agree

Dude is a massive liability. Utah went from bad to awesome changing Kanter with Gobert.

Kanter is nothing special seriously. OKC will be paying the MAX to a homeless Al Jefferson

Gobert is a future DPOY. All Kanter has to do is get to about a D+ defensively, with Ibaka next to him.

Nate505 · Post #122 » by **Nate505** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 9:34 pm

Kurosawa0 wrote:Are we sure Kanter is even that good? Utah got better when he left.

He's not. But some dumb owner will see the numbers and pressure the GM to get him, even though he's without a doubt the worst big man defender in the NBA, by a long shot.

Agenda42 · Post #123 » by **Agenda42** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 9:35 pm

OldeBoy wrote:If Thunder didn't match you would say they were being cheap and that would cause Durant to leave.

What talent are they going to shed? Steve Novak and Perry Jones? gtfo

If the Thunder didn't match, they would be being cheap. I don't think the players they'll lose are a big deal, it's just that sending players away for financial reasons is going to be tough to sell Durant on.

Honestly, I think Durant was put on the path out the door by the Harden trade, and it would take an impact player acquisition to change his mind. This is just Portland trying to push OKC a bit, make it harder for them to make the play that keeps him in town.

LoyalKing · Post #124 » by **LoyalKing** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 9:35 pm

OldeBoy wrote:
LoyalKing wrote:
basketbrawler wrote:Worst big man defender in the NBA

Soft in the head too

Agree

Dude is a massive liability. Utah went from bad to awesome changing Kanter with Gobert.

Kanter is nothing special seriously. OKC will be paying the MAX to a homeless Al Jefferson

Gobert is a future DPOY. All Kanter has to do is get to about a D+ defensively, with Ibaka next to him.

I agree about Gobert, but not even Ibaka can hide Kanter's flaws. Look at the defensive numbers of OKC's front-court when Kanter and Ibaka are paired. They're terrible.

Tetlak · Post #125 » by **Tetlak** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 9:37 pm

Kanter isn't great, but he's great for OKC based on their team construct. Some people don't understand that apparently. Still, this is huge money and he probably isnt even worth it to OKC.

contract · Post #126 » by **contract** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 9:42 pm

Trip wrote:Of course Portland is the one to put an offer up. Not sure I'm on board with matching but I don't see them letting him walk.

Of course you match. You can always trade him later. There's no profit in getting your pocket picked.

sirslimjim · Post #127 » by **sirslimjim** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 9:47 pm

As a Jazz fan, this is a win-win. Kanter is going to handicap one of our division rivals!

Waynearchetype · Post #128 » by **Waynearchetype** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 9:48 pm

contract wrote:
Trip wrote:Of course Portland is the one to put an offer up. Not sure I'm on board with matching but I don't see them letting him walk.

Of course you match. You can always trade him later. There's no profit in getting your pocket picked.

15% trade kicker would make it slightly harder. Not a whole lot, but this was all a very deliberately structured from Portland to make OKC think twice.

contract · Post #129 » by **contract** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 9:50 pm

Waynearchetype wrote:
contract wrote:
Trip wrote:Of course Portland is the one to put an offer up. Not sure I'm on board with matching but I don't see them letting him walk.

Of course you match. You can always trade him later. There's no profit in getting your pocket picked.

15% trade kicker would make it slightly harder. Not a whole lot, but this was all a very deliberately structured from Portland to make OKC think twice.

It is, but GMs get paid to work. If it was easy, the owner's idiot nephew could do it for 1/2 the salary.

peZt · Post #130 » by **peZt** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:05 pm

The only way Kanter can be effective is as a 4 alongside a tall and defensive specialist Center. I actually liked the few games Kanter started at the 4 next to Gobert. If Kanter plays at the 5, I don't think there's any PF that can mask his defensive shortcomings. Not even Ibaka

Threethrows · Post #131 » by **Threethrows** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:13 pm

I actually don't mind this for Portland. I doubt they are competing now or next year. The team needed scorers period, IF Kanter can improve his defense, he is rather young afterall, this could be a big get for Portland in the future. Not sure if I would match as the Thunder, I said before I wouldn't but now you have to really look at your options. I would be hesitant to let him go but not super willing to retain him either at this point. Touch choice.

junot111 · Post #132 » by **junot111** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:16 pm

fallacy wrote:
Anti Chalmers wrote:Honest question but why is OKC so cheap? Is it because the owner can't afford a big tax bill?

Because there is a repeater tax and OKC didn't want to get into it before Durant/Westbrook sign extensions

But why are they cheap in general, not just in this case. I'm curious too because OKC is a basketball town and they have two superstars.

junot111 · Post #133 » by **junot111** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:17 pm

And I don't get this for Portland at all. You need to embrace the tank and let Plumlee/Leonard/Vonleh develop...

Post #134 » by **bondom34** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:18 pm

junot111 wrote:
fallacy wrote:
Anti Chalmers wrote:Honest question but why is OKC so cheap? Is it because the owner can't afford a big tax bill?

Because there is a repeater tax and OKC didn't want to get into it before Durant/Westbrook sign extensions

But why are they cheap in general, not just in this case. I'm curious too because OKC is a basketball town and they have two superstars.

They're not cheap, they have one of the highest payrolls in the league, they're always over the cap and were over the tax last year. This narrative really has to stop sometime.

Threethrows · Post #135 » by **Threethrows** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:21 pm

Nolan wrote:I don't hate Kanter as much as most people around here do but why is Portland interested in him? Their front court is already pretty crowded.

Well their front court has bodies, no production right now.

Leonard: Extremely promising. Amazing shot. More of a natural PF by style, center by size. Very athletic, but still raw and learning the art of "big man"
Vonleh: 19...raw...some health concerns
Kaman: Relic of the Aldridge days. They kept him around before knowing what LMA was going to be doing, decent vet to teach guys a few things.
Davis: Nice player, probably always a complimentary guy and never one to be showcased though.
Plumlee: Ok at PnR defense, not that ok at defense overall, at times. Terrible FT shooter.

Freeland as others mentioned is long gone.

So really, they have the players just not...real defined or developed guys. Kanter I'm not sure fixes that, but worst case is Portland gets stuck with a young big that can at least score the ball. Their window is bolted shut right now, no harm in gambling.

Wolves21 · Post #136 » by **Wolves21** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:25 pm

This is a no brainer move by the Blazer,unlike most around here hating on Kanter he's still really young with a ton of upside.Upside being a 20-10 guy and all-star and someone that can play PF or C spots.Yes his defense isn't great but can improve in the right system with the right coach and always can add a PF or C thats defensive minded to play along side him.Starting the rebuild in Portland around Lillard/Kanter would be a very smart move and give the fans evening in a tanking season something to look forward to.You have those two,a high draft pick in '16 and cap to rebuild the team fast.

If I am the Thunder I don't know if I match,he would average what $17M or 18M per year and you still have to resign Durant,Westbrook,Ibaka,Adams...ect but if Durant and or Westbrook walk in the offseason next year having a resigned Kanter could less the blow a little bit and then at least you still have a young potential all-star on the roster.Kanter and Westbrook for the last third of the season nearly carried the Thunder a team crippled with injuries to the playoffs.Again tough choice to make if your the Thunder but again I would probably let him go and hope that Durant/Westbrook don't do the same in '16.

Ugly0598 · Post #137 » by **Ugly0598** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:28 pm

sirslimjim wrote:As a Jazz fan, this is a win-win. Kanter is going to handicap one of our division rivals!

It doesn't handicap them at all with the new salary cap.

DarthDiggler69 · Post #138 » by **DarthDiggler69** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:34 pm

This really doesnt help the blazers much but his price might be pretty cheap with the new cap

Catchall · Post #139 » by **Catchall** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:37 pm

The last two max players the Jazz let walk were Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer. Let that sink in a moment.

Maybe Kanter is worth it under the new cap though. Will see. I really like his offensive rebounding.

freestyler34 · Post #140 » by **freestyler34** » Thu Jul 9, 2015 10:39 pm

Every Kanter related thread with full of crying jazz fans :lol:

didnt i say that he was going to get max conract in the last thread ?( viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1397759&start=40#start_here ) now they are trying to look like they were suprised :roll:

You guys should be GMs since u know more about basketball than real GMs :lol: