ECSF: P2 | (2) Boston Celtics vs Philadelphia 76ers (3) | BOS 3-0

[commentatorer]

Man, you're right.

Brad Stevens should have said during timouts that "Slow down guys. We don't want to get Philly mad. Let's try to make this game close."

Got it.

Boston had to maintain the biggest margin they could just to make sure the game was locked up.
There was no way around this.

This guy still could not accept they lost

Don't worry. We're just a few days away from game 2. Maybe you'd get that one. But stay away from sharp objects if you lose again.

I've been losing all my life, makes no difference to me.

[GreenBloodedC]

Boston had to maintain the biggest margin they could just to make sure the game was locked up.
There was no way around this.

This guy still could not accept they lost

Don't worry. We're just a few days away from game 2. Maybe you'd get that one. But stay away from sharp objects if you lose again.

I've been losing all my life, makes no difference to me.

[L3GEND4RY]

If I was Boston I'd rather win game 1 by about 5 points instead of 16.
Philly now are angry at themselves and will be aggressive in Game 2.
Whereas if Philly had almost won Game 1 they'd probably just try to repeat their performance.

Hahah what?

They can be aggressive all they want. The match up problems still exist

Philly's rustiness won't exist in Game 2....
And will Boston hit 17-35 treys in Game 2....?

They won’t need to, bud. They’re getting back one of their best defenders and scorers. That mis-match on the wings will only get worse.

[commentatorer]

Hahah what?

They can be aggressive all they want. The match up problems still exist

Philly's rustiness won't exist in Game 2....
And will Boston hit 17-35 treys in Game 2....?

They won’t need to, bud. They’re getting back one of their best defenders and scorers. That mis-match on the wings will only get worse.

You Celtics fans are giving me no shortage of things to quote post-Game2

[GeorgeMarcus]

Hahah what?

They can be aggressive all they want. The match up problems still exist

Philly's rustiness won't exist in Game 2....
And will Boston hit 17-35 treys in Game 2....?

They won’t need to, bud. They’re getting back one of their best defenders and scorers. That mis-match on the wings will only get worse.

There's mismatches on both sides of the ball. I suspect we'll take better advantage of ours Game 2.

[Wolfgang630]

Boston shot like Golden State in game 1 from 3. I thought Rozier was Curry.

[Curmudgeon]

I thought Rozier was Curry.

Only when unguarded.

[Darth Celtic]

Yeah I just checked the play-by-play, Simmons had 13 points at 3/4 time, so only 5 in the 4th quarter.
Embiid and Simmons did what they wanted, so its really all about Saric, Covington, Belinelli and Ilyasova making their shots.

How does a guy with 7 turnovers and 6 made baskets do what he wants? He wants to give the ball to the celtics more than he makes shots? Oh, and by shots, I mean dunks because he looks like a deer in headlights anytime he is wide open from beyong 7 feet.

[Jaqua92]

I'll grab some tape measures for you guys

[robbie84]

Celtics held home court. They have a slight advantage now. If Philly wins game 2, they've got an advantage.

Should be a close series.

[K For Three]

I was more confident heading into game 1 since I thought the C's would be on a high still from game 7 and the Sixers would be rusty.

I would be suprised if game 2 isn't a big battle.

[baldur]

Celtics held home court. They have a slight advantage now. If Philly wins game 2, they've got an advantage.

Should be a close series.

Thank you magic johnson.

[Tomjas]

Yeah I just checked the play-by-play, Simmons had 13 points at 3/4 time, so only 5 in the 4th quarter.
Embiid and Simmons did what they wanted, so its really all about Saric, Covington, Belinelli and Ilyasova making their shots.

How does a guy with 7 turnovers and 6 made baskets do what he wants? He wants to give the ball to the celtics more than he makes shots? Oh, and by shots, I mean dunks because he looks like a deer in headlights anytime he is wide open from beyong 7 feet.

Simmons had his worst game since before Christmas and still put up numbers despite being surrounded by cold shooting

Stevens is an excellent coach and will know that he will need to give Simmons different looks as the series moves on or risk being cut to pieces

Simmons has already shown that he is waaaaay smarter than the average NBA player and will adjust

[L3GEND4RY]

Philly's rustiness won't exist in Game 2....
And will Boston hit 17-35 treys in Game 2....?

They won’t need to, bud. They’re getting back one of their best defenders and scorers. That mis-match on the wings will only get worse.

You Celtics fans are giving me no shortage of things to quote post-Game2

You serious? Try the first 40 pages of the initial thread and compare what I’m saying to what you guys were. Do I really need to remind you?

[L3GEND4RY]

I was more confident heading into game 1 since I thought the C's would be on a high still from game 7 and the Sixers would be rusty.

I would be suprised if game 2 isn't a big battle.

+1
Two solid road teams during the regular season. Wouldn’t surprise me if we take a game on each others home turf. But we’ll see. 3 days of rest is kinda big.

[Pumpkin17]

The Celtics are really up 2-0 if you include Ainge fleecing Colangelo this past offseason

It is actually incredible to think that with tatum and fultz switched this is probably a sweep in favour of Phila. Obviously no one could have predicted fultz troubles and the guy can very well become a superstar still. Problem is, if you already know Simmons is going to be your starting PG, why do you go for another PG and not for a forward?

Well, this has been said before, Fultz Tatum switch would never have happened. Danny would have taken Tatum at 1 if not trade. The full impact of the trade won't be seen for years as it's a 3% chance at the 2/3 pick this year, or whatever the kings end up next year (if not 1) added to the Celtics team.

No trade wouldn't affect this year or playoff series, like at all.

Well, my point is not only about the impact of the trade, is about Phila's reasoning. Why going for a PG if you already know to have a superstar prospect at the same position? After the trade they were chosing 1st, so they could have very well take Tatum instead of Fultz. Obviously Ainge would have not traded the pick if he was convinced that Phila was going for Tatum, but that's Boston perspective and it's more than understandable. Phila, on the other hand, was wrong on the whole process (no pun intended). They were wrong in trading up and they were wrong in chosing a PG. Even Jackson would have been better for them considering Simmons is going to be their PG for years to come, not to speak about the asset they gave up.

[76ciology]

It is actually incredible to think that with tatum and fultz switched this is probably a sweep in favour of Phila. Obviously no one could have predicted fultz troubles and the guy can very well become a superstar still. Problem is, if you already know Simmons is going to be your starting PG, why do you go for another PG and not for a forward?

Well, this has been said before, Fultz Tatum switch would never have happened. Danny would have taken Tatum at 1 if not trade. The full impact of the trade won't be seen for years as it's a 3% chance at the 2/3 pick this year, or whatever the kings end up next year (if not 1) added to the Celtics team.

No trade wouldn't affect this year or playoff series, like at all.

Well, my point is not only about the impact of the trade, is about Phila's reasoning. Why going for a PG if you already know to have a superstar prospect at the same position? After the trade they were chosing 1st, so they could have very well take Tatum instead of Fultz. Obviously Ainge would have not traded the pick if he was convinced that Phila was going for Tatum, but that's Boston perspective and it's more than understandable. Phila, on the other hand, was wrong on the whole process (no pun intended). They were wrong in trading up and they were wrong in chosing a PG. Even Jackson would have been better for them considering Simmons is going to be their PG for years to come, not to speak about the asset they gave up.

I'll put it this way. If Fultz was shooting just as good as he did in SL, Sixers won't lose G1. Fultz can switch better than JJ or Beli. Fultz can run the PnR with Ben or Jojo for the entire game and force Rozier, Larkin or Smart to switch unto a 6'10 or taller generational player in either Ben or Jojo.

If you look at every contender. Rockets, Warriors, Raps or Cavs. All have a lead scoring guard. LeBron plays that role. Ben doesnt have that 25+ppg scorer in his DNA.

Fultz wasn't an ordinary PG. He was close to being the perfect PG. He's got the tools to play positionless well on both ends. He can switch unto bigger defenders and even provide rim protection on D. Offensively he can run the PnR for 48 mins (Tatum or Jackson cant), space the floor and also score on ISO.

And overall, star PGs are valued highly and generally possess higher RPMs in the league over guys like Paul George or Hayward, who are more of beta than alpha on offense.

Why did the Sixers overpaid for the number 1 overall pick? Because Sixers believes top tier assets gets you top tier talent. And top tier talent gets you into a top tier team. And you can't get top tier assets without going the extra mile, that is whether to tank or sacrifice a young promising player.

Fultz was not just a top tier talent. He was even the perfect fit for the team. That is given he can shoot like he did in UW or SL.

The trade looks bad now because Fultz cant shoot. We didnt trade for that. But once he gets his jumper back, you're talking about a flawless PG with elite size for his position.

[Pumpkin17]

Well, this has been said before, Fultz Tatum switch would never have happened. Danny would have taken Tatum at 1 if not trade. The full impact of the trade won't be seen for years as it's a 3% chance at the 2/3 pick this year, or whatever the kings end up next year (if not 1) added to the Celtics team.

No trade wouldn't affect this year or playoff series, like at all.

Well, my point is not only about the impact of the trade, is about Phila's reasoning. Why going for a PG if you already know to have a superstar prospect at the same position? After the trade they were chosing 1st, so they could have very well take Tatum instead of Fultz. Obviously Ainge would have not traded the pick if he was convinced that Phila was going for Tatum, but that's Boston perspective and it's more than understandable. Phila, on the other hand, was wrong on the whole process (no pun intended). They were wrong in trading up and they were wrong in chosing a PG. Even Jackson would have been better for them considering Simmons is going to be their PG for years to come, not to speak about the asset they gave up.

I'll put it this way. If Fultz was shooting just as good as he did in SL, Sixers won't lose G1. Fultz can switch better than JJ or Beli. Fultz can run the PnR with Ben or Jojo for the entire game and force Rozier, Larkin or Smart to switch unto a 6'10 or taller generational player in either Ben or Jojo.

If you look at every contender. Rockets, Warriors, Raps or Cavs. All have a lead scoring guard. LeBron plays that role. Ben doesnt have that 25+ppg scorer in his DNA.

Fultz wasn't an ordinary PG. He was close to being the perfect PG. He's got the tools to play positionless well on both ends. He can switch unto bigger defenders and even provide rim protection on D. Offensively he can run the PnR for 48 mins (Tatum or Jackson cant), space the floor and also score on ISO.

And overall, star PGs are valued highly and generally possess higher RPMs in the league over guys like Paul George or Hayward, who are more of beta than alpha on offense.

Why did the Sixers overpaid for the number 1 overall pick? Because Sixers believes top tier assets gets you top tier talent. And top tier talent gets you into a top tier team. And you can't get top tier assets without going the extra mile, that is whether to tank or sacrifice a young promising player.

Fultz was not just a top tier talent. He was even the perfect fit for the team. That is given he can shoot like he did in UW or SL.

The trade looks bad now because Fultz cant shoot. We didnt trade for that. But once he gets his jumper back, you're talking about a flawless PG with elite size for his position.

As I said in my first post, I agree that Fultz could end up being a superstar, so nothing to say about this, only time will tell.
Still, I am not sold on him as a PG being the best choice (assuming we don't know about his troubles in the season). In a vacuum, I can agree with your reasoning, but you are assuming that everything clicks. It can very well be that case, and then you are unstoppable. But, if Fultz ends up being "just" more of what you already have in Simmons, I.e. a generational prospect capable of being a great floor general? Wouldn't be better to have a great floor general in Simmons, a great big in Embiid and a great wing in Tatum/Jackson? I am convinced that's a more balanced combo going forward. You can always slot Ben at point forward but you will mitigate some of the mismatch advantages he has in playing PG.

Obviously, my point can be moot cause Sixers could have just thought that Fultz was a so far better prospect wrt Tatum that the impact was going to be extremely different and I am speaking with hindsight. Anyone can miss a pick and Philly has years of success guaranteed with Ben and Joel, so not a shot at them. It is just straightforward to think about that trade in this context and think about "what if?"...

[CelticsLV]

64%, 19%, 53%, 23%, 25% and now again 19% against Celtics. Those are Sixers 3p% so far in each playoff game. Seems like they have tendency to shoot like **** from 3 and they are streaky at best. They are one of the worst 3p shooting teams so far in the playoffs. So much for "Sixers will not shoot like this ever again".

[Wilfried]

Obviously, my point can be moot cause Sixers could have just thought that Fultz was a so far better prospect wrt Tatum that the impact was going to be extremely different and I am speaking with hindsight. Anyone can miss a pick and Philly has years of success guaranteed with Ben and Joel, so not a shot at them. It is just straightforward to think about that trade in this context and think about "what if?"...

Well, up til now it looks like a big miss from Colangelo, that's for sure. But because of Embiid and Simmons, the future of the Sixers is still bright enought to not punish him for that.

But he can't afford a second mistake like that.

Tatum on this team would have been a very good fit, but the Sixers would still have been looking for a secondary playmaker (which could be SGA this draft, in afterthought).

That being said, still believe Fultz will become a good player.