Curry 2015 NBA finals

[picc]

An interesting thing about sports forums is the way people try to use the infinity gauntlet to alter reality, way after the fact. At the time the finals was going on, the prevalent dialogue was how bad Curry looked and how Iggy was keeping them afloat. But if you ask a realgm'er today, he had one bad game and dominated the rest.

Somehow his pretty averages weren't enough for people to think he was having a good series then, while the series was actually being played, but waaaay after the fact, with even less context, we should take them at face value now.

Do you think everyone just hit their head on a cliff like Goku and forgot because you posted his series average?

Can I vote twice for Iguodala for finals MVP, retroactively? If Bush did it...

edit: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1392234

Poll during the finals about who should get finals mvp. Iggy with 162 votes. "Other warriors player" option with 28. Lebron with 56. But sure, "everyone knew" Curry deserved it.

Another thread about it at the time, and not years later when people can rewrite history in their heads.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1392996

Keep snapping those fingers with no gauntlet on, Thanos.

Respect.

Edit: Looking through the thread, an overwhelming majority of posts were championing Iguodala for the award. I even noticed a few forecasting that the media would use "narratives" to award Curry the FMVP even though Iggy deseved it, ergo Iggy would get "robbed". Sounds pretty familiar.
For example, check out this gem from a bunch of "idiots":

Yes and it's not close

Curry has been playing awful outside of the forth for the last 3 games

Strangely it doesn't show up in the stat sheets aside from game 2, and that's really what's going to be measured.

As bad as he played in game 3 he ended with 10-20 FG 7-13 from 3 with 27-6-6. Those are technically great numbers, and that's what's going to be looked at I'm afraid.

I guess that means RealGM is full of idiots who wouldn't have voted any better than the 11 idiots who gave Iggy the award, if a certain fanbase is to be believed.

That thread is a gold mine.

Funny that guy predicted exactly what would happen. I actually think he was Mayan.

This is the same thing Chris Paul fans do now, parrot series averages and impact stats that nobody cared about at the time because it was blatantly obvious he was underperforming. Only with Curry fans, the mileage they get out of the word "gravity" would circumnavigate the globe. I'm surprised they dont have their own national Sir Isaac Newton day.

[Baski]

You know Draymond is winning MVP if the Warriors win it all.

And if he does he'll have a damn good argument for it. This isn't a conspiracy against Curry. For every single FMVP he didn't win, there was a great argument for the actual winner. They weren't exactly looking off Curry and giving it to Shaun Livingston now were they?

OT
It went to the right guy imo, but either way was not an "egregious robbery" or whatever hyperbole guys want to throw out. The last two finals KD was better and the voters got it right, however, they won, and that's all that Curry cares about if we're going off of his words. His pitch to KD was that he didn't give a crap about the individual awards, just about winning. Ergo he saw this coming; they all did. The media didn't do anything to Curry as much as he did to himself, but again, they're winning so he's happy. You guys should be happy too and stop trying to delegitimize an award that's been right like 98% of the time.

Bro, in 2017 60% of KD's buckets were assisted, and guess who was getting him those shots?

Curry not only gets defended by the superior defensive players, but he draws more double and triple teams. That opens up everything for everyone else.

Yeah, KD outscored Curry, but the impact his play and presence had is and was far more valuable.

You fools don't even realize that teams are trying to get KD to shoot the ball just so they can get the ball out of Currys hands

It's the same with Draymond. Everyone's getting hyped about how well he played against Portland, but they literally weren't defending him. Curry and Thompson are so good that good that they just let it happen.

Since Durant joined the Warriors:

Curry is +10.1 without Durant/Thompson/Green
Durant is +3.7 without Curry/Thompson/Green
Durant/Thompson/Green are +4.1 without Curry
Curry/Thompson/Green are +13.4 without Durant
The four together are +16.8

So yeah, I'll take the guy that draws all the defensive attention and makes his teammates better over the 2nd, 3rd and 4th options that are there benefiting from it.

Good for you then. Just as long as you know that Curry has never been "robbed" of any FMVP award. He just hasn't performed well enough to get it. It's funny how that fact triggers some of you when the winner is on your team anyway. The FMVP award is legit and will define many more careers after Curry. Deal with it.

[Vladimir777]

Why does it bother Warriors fans so much who won the FMVP for your team? You guys STILL WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP(S)!

****, I couldn’t care less who would win FMVP if my Wizards one. Who cares?! It’s a team game.

[Baski]

Funny that guy predicted exactly what would happen. I actually think he was Mayan.

This is the same thing Chris Paul fans do now, parrot series averages and impact stats that nobody cared about at the time because it was blatantly obvious he was underperforming. Only with Curry fans, the mileage they get out of the word "gravity" would circumnavigate the globe. I'm surprised they dont have their own national Sir Isaac Newton day.

I am legitimately frightened at the precedent that they want to set, where getting doubled automatically absolves you of playing like crap, and yet getting bailed out by your teammates is 100% attributed to your "gravity".
Nah who am I kidding, they're just as dishonest as they think his haters are, because I have never ever seen any Warriors fan come to a non-Curry player's defense with "But he got doubled. Leave him alone." Lillard gets crapped on, Kyrie gets crapped on, KD got crapped on for his OKC days, heck Harden gets crapped on and it's crickets.

[Baski]

Why does it bother Warriors fans so much who won the FMVP for your team? You guys STILL WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP(S)!

****, I couldn’t care less who would win FMVP if my Wizards one. Who cares?! It’s a team game.

They obviously did not expect that KD would steal their guy's thunder to this extent. They want to have their cake and eat it too. 2 MVPs on the same team are gonna cause difficulties in terms of winning individual accolades. Curry drew the short straw and that kills them.

[michaelm]

And if he does he'll have a damn good argument for it. This isn't a conspiracy against Curry. For every single FMVP he didn't win, there was a great argument for the actual winner. They weren't exactly looking off Curry and giving it to Shaun Livingston now were they?

OT
It went to the right guy imo, but either way was not an "egregious robbery" or whatever hyperbole guys want to throw out. The last two finals KD was better and the voters got it right, however, they won, and that's all that Curry cares about if we're going off of his words. His pitch to KD was that he didn't give a crap about the individual awards, just about winning. Ergo he saw this coming; they all did. The media didn't do anything to Curry as much as he did to himself, but again, they're winning so he's happy. You guys should be happy too and stop trying to delegitimize an award that's been right like 98% of the time.

Bro, in 2017 60% of KD's buckets were assisted, and guess who was getting him those shots?

Curry not only gets defended by the superior defensive players, but he draws more double and triple teams. That opens up everything for everyone else.

Yeah, KD outscored Curry, but the impact his play and presence had is and was far more valuable.

You fools don't even realize that teams are trying to get KD to shoot the ball just so they can get the ball out of Currys hands

It's the same with Draymond. Everyone's getting hyped about how well he played against Portland, but they literally weren't defending him. Curry and Thompson are so good that good that they just let it happen.

Since Durant joined the Warriors:

Curry is +10.1 without Durant/Thompson/Green
Durant is +3.7 without Curry/Thompson/Green
Durant/Thompson/Green are +4.1 without Curry
Curry/Thompson/Green are +13.4 without Durant
The four together are +16.8

So yeah, I'll take the guy that draws all the defensive attention and makes his teammates better over the 2nd, 3rd and 4th options that are there benefiting from it.

Good for you then. Just as long as you know that Curry has never been "robbed" of any FMVP award. He just hasn't performed well enough to get it. It's funny how that fact triggers some of you when the winner is on your team anyway. The FMVP award is legit and will define many more careers after Curry. Deal with it.

Exactly, Curry actually needs no defense having led his team to 3 title wins. Maybe Durant is even better than him, we will need to see the rest of their careers. Excuses are for losers, such as Houston last year and the Cavs in 2015. And if there are no excuses for Curry/GSW in 2016 then there are even fewer for LeBron in 2011.

[Johnny Firpo]

He was also the only guy on the team who could create his own shot.

He still missed a crapton of makeable shots, and was the sole reason why the Cavs lost that final.

The cavs without kyrie or kevin love outscored the 66 win warriors while lebron was on the court and got demolished the second he came off.

This is a terrible take. Lebron was far and away the best player in that series.

Lebron's playmaking defence, and volume more than made up for his ineffiency.

He was the only one on the roster who could have been much better.

[RCM88x]

He still missed a crapton of makeable shots, and was the sole reason why the Cavs lost that final.

The cavs without kyrie or kevin love outscored the 66 win warriors while lebron was on the court and got demolished the second he came off.

This is a terrible take. Lebron was far and away the best player in that series.

Lebron's playmaking defence, and volume more than made up for his ineffiency.

He was the only one on the roster who could have been much better.

[Johnny Firpo]

The cavs without kyrie or kevin love outscored the 66 win warriors while lebron was on the court and got demolished the second he came off.

This is a terrible take. Lebron was far and away the best player in that series.

Lebron's playmaking defence, and volume more than made up for his ineffiency.

He was the only one on the roster who could have been much better.

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I watched that finals all throughout, LeBron missed a crapton of shots that were makeable for him, and the annoying thing was that despite being undermanned, the Cavs actually had a good nucleus and looked like the better, more cohesive team at the beginning of the series. LeBron then went on to play such a weird series and was chucking like there was no tomorrow. His three ball and mid range game took a nosedive, and that was it. That series was actually winnable, despite the injuries, because the Warriors had no finals experience, and played nowhere near their best because of it. If 2012/2013 or 2013/2014 LeBron shows up in that final, with that improved jumpshot, the Cavs win.

[michaelm]

And if he does he'll have a damn good argument for it. This isn't a conspiracy against Curry. For every single FMVP he didn't win, there was a great argument for the actual winner. They weren't exactly looking off Curry and giving it to Shaun Livingston now were they?

OT
It went to the right guy imo, but either way was not an "egregious robbery" or whatever hyperbole guys want to throw out. The last two finals KD was better and the voters got it right, however, they won, and that's all that Curry cares about if we're going off of his words. His pitch to KD was that he didn't give a crap about the individual awards, just about winning. Ergo he saw this coming; they all did. The media didn't do anything to Curry as much as he did to himself, but again, they're winning so he's happy. You guys should be happy too and stop trying to delegitimize an award that's been right like 98% of the time.

Bro, in 2017 60% of KD's buckets were assisted, and guess who was getting him those shots?

Curry not only gets defended by the superior defensive players, but he draws more double and triple teams. That opens up everything for everyone else.

Yeah, KD outscored Curry, but the impact his play and presence had is and was far more valuable.

You fools don't even realize that teams are trying to get KD to shoot the ball just so they can get the ball out of Currys hands

It's the same with Draymond. Everyone's getting hyped about how well he played against Portland, but they literally weren't defending him. Curry and Thompson are so good that good that they just let it happen.

Since Durant joined the Warriors:

Curry is +10.1 without Durant/Thompson/Green
Durant is +3.7 without Curry/Thompson/Green
Durant/Thompson/Green are +4.1 without Curry
Curry/Thompson/Green are +13.4 without Durant
The four together are +16.8

So yeah, I'll take the guy that draws all the defensive attention and makes his teammates better over the 2nd, 3rd and 4th options that are there benefiting from it.

Good for you then. Just as long as you know that Curry has never been "robbed" of any FMVP award. He just hasn't performed well enough to get it. It's funny how that fact triggers some of you when the winner is on your team anyway. The FMVP award is legit and will define many more careers after Curry. Deal with it.

Very happy to take 3 out of 4 over 3 out of 9. LeBron and his fans are welcome to console themselves with FMVP awards sand career statistics.

[jbk1234]

It's like this, the Warriors were losing that series, despite the fact both Love and Kyrie were out, until they went small and and started Iggy.

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[Vladimir777]

If LeBron wasn’t gonna win it, I thought Iggy deserved the FMVP at the time.

[balrog27]

lol I still remember, iggy should not of won that fmv, he only started playing from game 3 or 4 lol.

[Krazykiwi]

lol I still remember, iggy should not of won that fmv, he only started playing from game 3 or 4 lol.

Warriors were down 1-2 despite just Lebron and bunch of scrubs and Curry got outplayed by Matthew delladova. This is when Iggy came to the rescue . he deserved the finals mvp 100%.

Despite what some of you think otherwise , all the previous finals MVPs were actually given out fairly 99% of the time. If you played the best overall for the wining team, you would’ve gotten the mvp .

[michaelm]

It's like this, the Warriors were losing that series, despite the fact both Love and Kyrie were out, until they went small and and started Iggy.

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Sounds awfully like an excuse for LeBron and the Cavs. I thought this was a no excuses thread.

[michaelm]

It's like this, the Warriors were losing that series, despite the fact both Love and Kyrie were out, until they went small and and started Iggy.

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Would’ve could’ve should’ve. GSW/Curry won, Cavs/LeBron lost.

Both teams chose to construct rosters with injury prone players. The chips fall as they may.

[jbk1234]

It's like this, the Warriors were losing that series, despite the fact both Love and Kyrie were out, until they went small and and started Iggy.

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Sounds awfully like an excuse for LeBron and the Cavs. I thought this was a no excuses thread.

This is in response to people asking why Iggy won FMVP

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[freethedevil]

He still missed a crapton of makeable shots, and was the sole reason why the Cavs lost that final.

The cavs without kyrie or kevin love outscored the 66 win warriors while lebron was on the court and got demolished the second he came off.

This is a terrible take. Lebron was far and away the best player in that series.

Lebron's playmaking defence, and volume more than made up for his ineffiency.

He was the only one on the roster who could have been much better.

much better than outscoring a 66 win team over 46 minutes?

[freethedevil]

Funny that guy predicted exactly what would happen. I actually think he was Mayan.

This is the same thing Chris Paul fans do now, parrot series averages and impact stats that nobody cared about at the time .

Ah yes, we shouldn't use impact stats. Because why measure "impact" whenyou can check ppg.

[picc]

Funny that guy predicted exactly what would happen. I actually think he was Mayan.

This is the same thing Chris Paul fans do now, parrot series averages and impact stats that nobody cared about at the time .

Ah yes, we shouldn't use impact stats. Because why measure "impact" whenyou can check ppg.

You've solved the equation. Guess we can close the board now.