Tuesday game thread discussion

[Scalabrine]

If Wall comes back and shows he is healthy, I'd love to take a shot with Simmons and Beal...
So Wall + assets for Simmons and filler (Scott, Zhaire, etc.)...
Rui, Wagner, 1st (#6-8) seems like a good return...

Wall
Richardson
Harris
Horford
Embiid

Bench: Rui, Thybulle, Wagner

Simmons
Beal
Brown Jr.
Bertans
Bryant

Again... All predicated on Wall returning at the end of the year for 15+ games and looking good.
Not sure what other team could give all 3 levels of assets (Current good player (Wall), young high ceiling prospect (Rui), and top 8 pick)

Wall is the worst contract in the league right now. No chance you get Simmons for him.

[VanWest82]

Off season Simmons trade ideas:

1. Simmons to Minny for Wiggins and Okogie.
2. Simmons to Phoenix for Rubio, Jerome, Bridges, and a future protected FRP
3. Simmons to Warriors for DLo.

[nate33]

The easiest trade is Simmons for Beal.

[reignfire]

The easiest trade is Simmons for Beal.

If Washington agrees, it would be a massive win for the Sixers.

I doubt they agree.

[nate33]

The easiest trade is Simmons for Beal.

If Washington agrees, it would be a massive win for the Sixers.

I doubt they agree.

The biggest hurdle is John Wall. It doesn't make a lot of sense to have Wall and Simmons on the same team. Wall would ultimately have to be moved. We can't even speculate how hard this is going to be because we don't know how well Wall has recovered from his injury.

Fortunately, Simmons can't be traded until the summer, so maybe by then we'll have more information on Wall's recovery.

I love Bradley Beal, but if I knew Wall could be unloaded somewhat painlessly, I'd be happy with a complete rebuild where we trade Beal for the younger Simmons.

[TTP]

They were 1 shot away from beating the champions, with a 22 year old Simmons and a 25 year old embiid with a team built during the regular season last year, BUT THEY CAN'T WORK TOGETHER.

Again, they probably had one of the most stacked starting lineups after Golden State in recent memory. They are still a very good team but not getting the best out of both at the same time. I think there is a chance it can work if they go get a real PG and move Simmons to PF.

Simmons at PG works if he is surrounded by shooters and guys that can run the fast break. We all remember how Simmons carried the Sixers to a 14 game winning streak or whatever it was when Embiid went down in his' rookie season. We rarely see that type of Simmons when Embiid is playing.

I'm sure if you look Simmons' number when Embiid is playing and when he isn't playing, this would be a open and shut case. The eye test definitely backs that up.

Here's what NBAWOWY has for their careers since Ben Simmons' first game:

Simmons on/Embiid off offense (3369 minutes): 108.5
Simmons on/Embiid off defense: 111.4
Simmons on/Embiid off net: -2.9

Embiid on/Simmons off offense (1645 minutes): 112.6
Embiid on/Simmons off defense: 105.5
Embiid on/Simmons off Net: +7.1

Both on offense (3552 minutes): 116.4
Both on defense: 104.4
Both on net: +12.0

Embiid is clearly the Sixers' biggest difference maker but the Sixers have also been better when both are on the court together. Everyone complains about their theoretical fit, but we have a pretty decent sample of minutes that shows that they manage to thrive together.

[Arp590]

Sixers are 19-7 and have won 12 of their last 14. They and just handed Boston their first home loss of the year, something that Toronto, Milwaukee, Dallas, Miami and Denver all failed to do. Yet here we are talking about Ben Simmons and Embiid not being able to play with each other? Really?

Thank you. I really don't understand why Sixers threads like this keep popping up..

[kuclas]

The most logical thing is to pair Simmons up with center who plays more outside.

Trade Embiid for KAT. That would be the most natural fit.

Or Sixers can go the other way to help Simmons by using Horford at the stretch 5. Trade Embiid to Golden State for unprotected 2020 first round draft pick at trade deadline (watch Steph Curry magically come back from wrist injury and Klay Thompson ready to go by early March) Sixers also get Deangelo Russell

Warriors may get lucky and squeeze in as the 8th seed if both Curry and Embiid are playing by January together. So you got Curry and Thompson from the outside. Embiid on the inside. Play lakers in first round of 2019 playoffs. (all a pipe dream)

Simmson/horford/russell/harris/richardson still can contend in the East. Than its up to Simmons if he wants to make the leap to over take Milwaukee.

[nikster]

He's 23.

A lot of the earlier posters highlight that I have more respect for Dolan, Because if OP or the guy who suggested the wall Trade were rich enough to own an NBA franchise they would literally ruin the league by making a team bankrupt with their **** nous for basketball

Their best players are 25 and 23, Both are monsters defensively, Sure Ben has a lot to grow on offense, But your talking about a team which pushed the eventual champs in a semi final.

Currently sitting 3rd, 19-7. I think every Philly fan will say yeah the team has a few holes, Embiid/Simmons are not that.

People keep saying "this" team was one shot away....

But the guy who lead them in points and assist that series, and took over in the 4th (while Ben disappeared) is gone.

[nikster]

They were 1 shot away from beating the champions, with a 22 year old Simmons and a 25 year old embiid with a team built during the regular season last year, BUT THEY CAN'T WORK TOGETHER.

Two words...Jimmy Butler

[Yeggo Poleggo]

PHI won't make a decision until the off season, based on playoff performance theyll make a decision between Brett Brown, Simmons and Embiid.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The Sixers would be the clear cut favorite if he were a consistent 20-22ppg scorer, last night he was a ghost on offense.

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Ben Simmons averages 16 a game for his career. You really think him adding another 4-6 per game is the difference between whatever they are and being the clear cut favorite for the title?

Yes, especially since he's currently averaging a career low in points, and averages a paltry 11.5ppg in your losses. If he became a 20-22ppg scorer for the rest of the season it would signal a change in his mindset to become more aggressive which would put more pressure on the defense and probably lead to him leading the league in assists as well.

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[BullyKing]

The Sixers would be the clear cut favorite if he were a consistent 20-22ppg scorer, last night he was a ghost on offense.

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Ben Simmons averages 16 a game for his career. You really think him adding another 4-6 per game is the difference between whatever they are and being the clear cut favorite for the title?

Yes, especially since he's currently averaging a career low in points, and averages a paltry 11.5ppg in your losses. If he became a 20-22ppg scorer for the rest of the season it would signal a change in his mindset to become more aggressive which would put more pressure on the defense and probably lead to him leading the league in assists as well.

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Yes, he is currently averaging 2 points less a game than his career. Of course, his usage percentage is also currently a career low.

[Tor_Raps]

They were 1 shot away from beating the champions, with a 22 year old Simmons and a 25 year old embiid with a team built during the regular season last year, BUT THEY CAN'T WORK TOGETHER.

Again, they probably had one of the most stacked starting lineups after Golden State in recent memory. They are still a very good team but not getting the best out of both at the same time. I think there is a chance it can work if they go get a real PG and move Simmons to PF.

Simmons at PG works if he is surrounded by shooters and guys that can run the fast break. We all remember how Simmons carried the Sixers to a 14 game winning streak or whatever it was when Embiid went down in his' rookie season. We rarely see that type of Simmons when Embiid is playing.

I'm sure if you look Simmons' number when Embiid is playing and when he isn't playing, this would be a open and shut case. The eye test definitely backs that up.

Here's what NBAWOWY has for their careers since Ben Simmons' first game:

Simmons on/Embiid off offense (3369 minutes): 108.5
Simmons on/Embiid off defense: 111.4
Simmons on/Embiid off net: -2.9

Embiid on/Simmons off offense (1645 minutes): 112.6
Embiid on/Simmons off defense: 105.5
Embiid on/Simmons off Net: +7.1

Both on offense (3552 minutes): 116.4
Both on defense: 104.4
Both on net: +12.0

Embiid is clearly the Sixers' biggest difference maker but the Sixers have also been better when both are on the court together. Everyone complains about their theoretical fit, but we have a pretty decent sample of minutes that shows that they manage to thrive together.

I get the stats and no ones saying they're not good with both of them playing. It's all about whether both are getting the most out of each other when playing together. You can clearly see Simmons suffers with embiid moreso than embiid suffers with Simmons.

The big question is that if you replaced simmons with someone at his talent level that's a better fit, would the sixers be better than they currently are? Not if you just take simmons completely out of the picture because of course they will be worse if that happens.

[TTP]

Again, they probably had one of the most stacked starting lineups after Golden State in recent memory. They are still a very good team but not getting the best out of both at the same time. I think there is a chance it can work if they go get a real PG and move Simmons to PF.

Simmons at PG works if he is surrounded by shooters and guys that can run the fast break. We all remember how Simmons carried the Sixers to a 14 game winning streak or whatever it was when Embiid went down in his' rookie season. We rarely see that type of Simmons when Embiid is playing.

I'm sure if you look Simmons' number when Embiid is playing and when he isn't playing, this would be a open and shut case. The eye test definitely backs that up.

Here's what NBAWOWY has for their careers since Ben Simmons' first game:

Simmons on/Embiid off offense (3369 minutes): 108.5
Simmons on/Embiid off defense: 111.4
Simmons on/Embiid off net: -2.9

Embiid on/Simmons off offense (1645 minutes): 112.6
Embiid on/Simmons off defense: 105.5
Embiid on/Simmons off Net: +7.1

Both on offense (3552 minutes): 116.4
Both on defense: 104.4
Both on net: +12.0

Embiid is clearly the Sixers' biggest difference maker but the Sixers have also been better when both are on the court together. Everyone complains about their theoretical fit, but we have a pretty decent sample of minutes that shows that they manage to thrive together.

I get the stats and no ones saying they're not good with both of them playing. It's all about whether both are getting the most out of each other when playing together. You can clearly see Simmons suffers with embiid moreso than embiid suffers with Simmons.

The big question is that if you replaced simmons with someone at his talent level that's a better fit, would the sixers be better than they currently are? Not if you just take simmons completely out of the picture because of course they will be worse if that happens.

There are absolutely people saying that they are dragging each other down (the first line of OP is literally "Simmons and Embiid are a terrible combination and bring the worst out in each other") when the opposite has been true historically. Over the long run, they’ve pretty massively elevated each other’s impact.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Ben Simmons averages 16 a game for his career. You really think him adding another 4-6 per game is the difference between whatever they are and being the clear cut favorite for the title?

Yes, especially since he's currently averaging a career low in points, and averages a paltry 11.5ppg in your losses. If he became a 20-22ppg scorer for the rest of the season it would signal a change in his mindset to become more aggressive which would put more pressure on the defense and probably lead to him leading the league in assists as well.

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Yes, he is currently averaging 2 points less a game than his career. Of course, his usage percentage is also currently a career low.

Usage may be low but he's fourth in the league for touches per game and 10th in the league for time of possession. He and Ricky Rubio are the only guys in the top 10 for time of possession that don't score 18ppg or more, 5 of the guys who have the ball that much average over 25ppg.

He had the ball enough to be a 20ppg scorer, just lacks the aggression.

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[TTP]

Simmons and Embiid are a terrible combination and bring the worst out in each other. The Sixers have elected to build around Embiid, not Simmons. This is not a Bucks scenario with Giannis.

Simmons dominates and plays at his best when Embiid sits. Embiid likes to slow the game down and have the ball passed into him where he is effective in scoring inside, Simmons likes to run and gun, similar to Magic Johnson. They have completely contrasting play styles and cancel out each other’s effectiveness. You simply cannot expect big games from Simmons when Embiid is playing.

1. What is a worthy trade for Simmons?
2. Of all teams factoring in coaches, what is the best team for Simmons to be traded to in order for him to develop to his full potential and become the best version of himself?

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If the bolded statements are true, then why are the Sixers at their best (by a large margin) when both play together over a large sample of minutes since the start of their careers?

They're +7.1 with just Embiid, -2.9 with just Simmons, and +12.0 with both playing together.

You can criticize their theoretical fit all you want, but the data does not support you.

[stormi]

He's 23.

A lot of the earlier posters highlight that I have more respect for Dolan, Because if OP or the guy who suggested the wall Trade were rich enough to own an NBA franchise they would literally ruin the league by making a team bankrupt with their **** nous for basketball

Their best players are 25 and 23, Both are monsters defensively, Sure Ben has a lot to grow on offense, But your talking about a team which pushed the eventual champs in a semi final.

Currently sitting 3rd, 19-7. I think every Philly fan will say yeah the team has a few holes, Embiid/Simmons are not that.

People keep saying "this" team was one shot away....

But the guy who lead them in points and assist that series, and took over in the 4th (while Ben disappeared) is gone.

Ben literally carried the team in game 6. Casual take

[stormi]

Simmons and Embiid are a terrible combination and bring the worst out in each other. The Sixers have elected to build around Embiid, not Simmons. This is not a Bucks scenario with Giannis.

Simmons dominates and plays at his best when Embiid sits. Embiid likes to slow the game down and have the ball passed into him where he is effective in scoring inside, Simmons likes to run and gun, similar to Magic Johnson. They have completely contrasting play styles and cancel out each other’s effectiveness. You simply cannot expect big games from Simmons when Embiid is playing.

1. What is a worthy trade for Simmons?
2. Of all teams factoring in coaches, what is the best team for Simmons to be traded to in order for him to develop to his full potential and become the best version of himself?

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If the bolded statements are true, then why are the Sixers at their best (by a large margin) when both play together over a large sample of minutes since the start of their careers?

They're +7.1 with just Embiid, -2.9 with just Simmons, and +12.0 with both playing together.

You can criticize their theoretical fit all you want, but the data does not support you.

Because they heard Steven A Smith say it so it must be true lmaooooooooo

[GeorgeMarcus]

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He's 23.

A lot of the earlier posters highlight that I have more respect for Dolan, Because if OP or the guy who suggested the wall Trade were rich enough to own an NBA franchise they would literally ruin the league by making a team bankrupt with their **** nous for basketball

Their best players are 25 and 23, Both are monsters defensively, Sure Ben has a lot to grow on offense, But your talking about a team which pushed the eventual champs in a semi final.

Currently sitting 3rd, 19-7. I think every Philly fan will say yeah the team has a few holes, Embiid/Simmons are not that.

People keep saying "this" team was one shot away....

But the guy who lead them in points and assist that series, and took over in the 4th (while Ben disappeared) is gone.

People gotta realize something about the Embiid vs TOR matchup. They design their entire scheme around stopping Embiid and forcing our perimeter guys to carry the load. Butler was getting better looks against the Raps than he was against a much worse defensive team in BKN. At the end of the day, Jimmy was damn near neutral on the court while Embiid was +89. Jimmy was not the biggest reason we took the Raps to a Game 7 buzzer beater.