Is healthy Zion a better talent than healthy Embiid?

Bigfactsstackz · Post #121 » by **Bigfactsstackz** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:14 am

Lol at Zion leading the poll .. Dude is an awful defender

Funcrusher · Post #122 » by **Funcrusher** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:15 am

Marrrcuss wrote:Im blown away by this topic.

I think most just rate Embiid lower than i do and definitely rate Zion higher.

As you look at the Pels at the very bottom of the west, outside of Minnesota, those empty stats along with the ESPN push have moved u guys, it seems.

What are you talking about man. You're bringing up record when Zion hasn't played 40 games and is basically a rookie.... like, what? And obviously Embiid is better, again, he's in his prime and having his peak season to this point. Like, what do want from Zion at this stage, honest question?

Funcrusher · Post #123 » by **Funcrusher** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:17 am

Bigfactsstackz wrote:Lol at Zion leading the poll .. Dude is an awful defender

We should definitely expect a guy that hasn't played a full season to be a good defender, I agree.

Bigfactsstackz · Post #124 » by **Bigfactsstackz** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:19 am

Funcrusher wrote:
Bigfactsstackz wrote:Lol at Zion leading the poll .. Dude is an awful defender

We should definitely expect a guy that hasn't played a full season to be a good defender, I agree.

Okay , but he has no excuses to be this bad smh

His lack of height and wingspan will always be a problem

Funcrusher · Post #125 » by **Funcrusher** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:20 am

Bigfactsstackz wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:
Bigfactsstackz wrote:Lol at Zion leading the poll .. Dude is an awful defender

We should definitely expect a guy that hasn't played a full season to be a good defender, I agree.

Okay , but he has no excuses to be this bad smh

Embidd is simply the better talent

uh-huh

Tor_Raps · Post #126 » by **Tor_Raps** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:22 am

Funcrusher wrote:
Bigfactsstackz wrote:Lol at Zion leading the poll .. Dude is an awful defender

We should definitely expect a guy that hasn't played a full season to be a good defender, I agree.

Its his 2nd year and he's downright horrible at that end. Embiid has zion beat by a mile. This shouldn't even be a close poll.

Funcrusher · Post #127 » by **Funcrusher** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:23 am

Tor_Raps wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:
Bigfactsstackz wrote:Lol at Zion leading the poll .. Dude is an awful defender

We should definitely expect a guy that hasn't played a full season to be a good defender, I agree.

Its his 2nd year and he's downright horrible at that end. Embiid has zion beat by a mile. This shouldn't even be a close poll.

He hasn't played a full season. Don't act like what you posted refutes what I said :lol:

Funcrusher · Post #128 » by **Funcrusher** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:26 am

Tor_Raps wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:
Bigfactsstackz wrote:Lol at Zion leading the poll .. Dude is an awful defender

We should definitely expect a guy that hasn't played a full season to be a good defender, I agree.

Its his 2nd year and he's downright horrible at that end. Embiid has zion beat by a mile. This shouldn't even be a close poll.

And lemme ask you, where should he be as an NBA player less than 40 games into his career. Superstar probably I assume? :roll:

Tor_Raps · Post #129 » by **Tor_Raps** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:32 am

Funcrusher wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:We should definitely expect a guy that hasn't played a full season to be a good defender, I agree.

Its his 2nd year and he's downright horrible at that end. Embiid has zion beat by a mile. This shouldn't even be a close poll.

He hasn't played a full season. Don't act like what you posted refutes what I said

I don't get your logic. Are all rookies bad defenders? Why is it "easier" for them to be better offensive players than defensive players? Zion seems incapable of moving his feet on the perimeter, which is an effort thing.

NY 567 · Post #130 » by **NY 567** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:36 am

My God did this age like ****. Embiid is arguably the MVP so far and Zion is basically Enes Kanter with better scoring and much worse rebounding.

Funcrusher · Post #131 » by **Funcrusher** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:37 am

Tor_Raps wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Its his 2nd year and he's downright horrible at that end. Embiid has zion beat by a mile. This shouldn't even be a close poll.

He hasn't played a full season. Don't act like what you posted refutes what I said

I don't get your logic. Are all rookies bad defenders? Why is it "easier" for them to be better offensive players than defensive players? Zion seems incapable of moving his feet on the perimeter, which is an effort thing.

Most rookies are bad defenders, yes. You really don't understand why it's easier for players to be better on offense than defense coming into the league? Not sure I buy that.

And yes, effort has been bad, but considering the circumstances surrounding Zion (injured most of his rookie season, conditioning problems, playing on godawful defensive teams) I'm willing to give him a pass thus far. If he has this same problem 100 + games in his career, than we can make a reasonable assumption this is who he is.

Funcrusher · Post #132 » by **Funcrusher** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:39 am

NY 567 wrote:My God did this age like ****. Embiid is arguably the MVP so far and Zion is basically Enes Kanter with better scoring and much worse rebounding.

In a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world, absolutely. In the real world, not so much.

jfs1000d · Post #133 » by **jfs1000d** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:40 am

Embiid and not close.

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GYK · Post #134 » by **GYK** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:42 am

No.
Not until he’s used in a playmaker role. Show his NCAA defensive intangibles. Improve his range(catch and shoot only).
He has the ability to be 2020 Giannis but through 50 games he’s not there yet.

PLO · Post #135 » by **PLO** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:54 am

Funcrusher wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:He hasn't played a full season. Don't act like what you posted refutes what I said

I don't get your logic. Are all rookies bad defenders? Why is it "easier" for them to be better offensive players than defensive players? Zion seems incapable of moving his feet on the perimeter, which is an effort thing.

Most rookies are bad defenders, yes. You really don't understand why it's easier for players to be better on offense than defense coming into the league? Not sure I buy that.

And yes, effort has been bad, but considering the circumstances surrounding Zion (injured most of his rookie season, conditioning problems, playing on godawful defensive teams) I'm willing to give him a pass thus far. If he has this same problem 100 + games in his career, than we can make a reasonable assumption this is who he is.

The issue is with Zion he hasn't flashed anything on the defensive end, at least nothing like what he had going in college. Compare him to Embiid's first season, who also had similar conditioning/injury issues, even if Embiid is a legit 5 and Zion only a small ball 5, Embiid was outstanding as a defender in his first season.

bebopdeluxe · Post #136 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:57 am

Funcrusher wrote:Obviously Embiid is way better rn (duh, he's a superstar), and the difference between them age wise is like 5 years, so no ****. This is a weird thread and a weird bump.

Ummm...are you new to the GB?

bebopdeluxe · Post #137 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 4:58 am

Tor_Raps wrote:
Funcrusher wrote:
Bigfactsstackz wrote:Lol at Zion leading the poll .. Dude is an awful defender

We should definitely expect a guy that hasn't played a full season to be a good defender, I agree.

Its his 2nd year and he's downright horrible at that end. Embiid has zion beat by a mile. This shouldn't even be a close poll.

Embiid is the GB's new whipping boy.

Like Wilt and Shaq, some people are always going to hate on the big guys.

sip · Post #138 » by **sip** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:02 am

I can't believe Zion is winning this. From a pure talent standpoint Embiid is one of the biggest freaks of all time. Players with his size, athleticism and overall skill are once in a generation type guys.

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God Squad · Post #139 » by **God Squad** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:08 am

Zion's hype is higher than his "overall" actually input on games. He's an offensive and efficient juggernaut but offers very little else in terms of defense, rebounding, and spacing. Honestly, the spacing isn't really an issue with a talent like Zion, but the defense and rebounding are a huge concern.

DroseReturnChi · Post #140 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:10 am

zion is 6'5 and embiid is a true 7 footer.