Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

[Optimus_Steel]

Listen I'm glad they did that but it's far short of what they need to do. Far short.

google a list of everything they have done. A lot more than you/many give credit.

Can they do more? Always. This is a crisis after all. Will the public always want more? Yes. As they should.

We should all be thankful for what they have done -- by being respectful and understanding of what they have done -- and politely asking for more.

Hmmm are you bring sarcastic?

Politely ask? The country lives paycheck to paycheck, employment has been shut down, and our leaders are dragging their feet on implementing rather traditional ways to battle what looks to be a historical economic crisis and you want us to politely ask? Wow.

[Ambrose]

Yeah, it's hard to get a good gauge on a death rate. From the chart above 207 deaths out of 16,064 cases is 1.29%. However, cases are active so deaths are still sure to come. Like another poster said, deaths also tend to happen quicker so they get updated faster. In my opinion, I think the death rate is going to be lower than expected.

[madmaxmedia]

For the people that are against what was done about testing early on - given what Dr. Fauci has been saying about restrictions they had/still somewhat have to deal with, along with not wanting to flood hospitals at the very beginning without them being prepared for it... what would you have done differently?
Additionally if 2 months from now we get through the darkest times of all this with hospital/medical capacity and capability holding up for the most part everywhere, would you still harp on testing or would the end result be enough for you?

The hospitals are for those with serious symptoms needing ventilators and medical care, testing is unrelated to that. Doing mass testing wouldn't have flooded our hospitals, it would have given us more data to come up with a better, more targeted, more proactive plan to minimize spread rate and hospitalization rate.

Anyone who tests positive but is asymptomatic or has minor symptoms is quarantined at home, and likely then is considerate enough to minimize their risk of transmission to others. This obviously reduces spread and hospitalizations.

Communities, regions, states where there is a sharp rise in confirmed cases would have more stringent conditions placed on them for the benefit of all, and again to minimize hospitalizations. We wouldn't need to wait for people to start showing up sick at the hospital first.

Communities, regions, states with minimal confirmed tests (over time), could have more relaxed restrictions that could keep them safe yet still minimize impact to local economies.

If it takes 2 months to get through the darkest time, still thousands will die, there will be posters here with family or friends who die. The impact on the economy will affect everyone, for a long time. For every fatality, more are going to lose jobs and homes. So yes, if there was any way to reduce this damage, it goes without saying it should have been done. This is not a hindsight thing, more testing is what gives us the ability to make better decisions without the benefit of hindsight.

I apologize if I misunderstood your post.

[Bandit King]

google a list of everything they have done. A lot more than you/many give credit.

Can they do more? Always. This is a crisis after all. Will the public always want more? Yes. As they should.

We should all be thankful for what they have done -- by being respectful and understanding of what they have done -- and politely asking for more.

Hmmm are you bring sarcastic?

Politely ask? The country lives paycheck to paycheck, employment has been shut down, and our leaders are dragging their feet on implementing rather traditional ways to battle what looks to be a historical economic crisis and you want us to politely ask? Wow.

Still no bill passEd for that 1000 dollar Check I’m waiting for!

[Sedale Threatt]

For the people that are against what was done about testing early on - given what Dr. Fauci has been saying about restrictions they had/still somewhat have to deal with, along with not wanting to flood hospitals at the very beginning without them being prepared for it... what would you have done differently?
Additionally if 2 months from now we get through the darkest times of all this with hospital/medical capacity and capability holding up for the most part everywhere, would you still harp on testing or would the end result be enough for you?

Testing early keeps hospital capacity better under control. Information is important to keep people who test positive quarantined and stop the spread. Instead we were flying mostly blind for weeks.

and No, we have already seen too much spread to shrug off the failure of getting the most important part of the puzzle to containing a pandemic, just because you hope things work out.

One of the officials today at the press conference let it slip they've known about this since Jan. 3, almost three months ago. (According to what I've read, China first notified the WHO on Jan. 1, so there's virtually zero lag time there.)

There are going to be hundreds and hundreds of books written about this moving forward, and certainly a country of our size, with our freedoms, was always going to have major, major issues. But holy sh*t man, it's just inexcusable that our elected leader -- and we know this because of the extremely well-documented words that came out of his own mouth -- didn't start to take this seriously until this week. And I read at least one account that the thing that finally pushed him over the edge was freaking Tucker Carlson. (Side note: I loath Carlson, but props to him for being pretty much the only person in the conservative derposphere that could see what was coming and was honest enough to sound the alarm.)

Again, we're going to get extensive assessment on just how that all impacted this whole epidemic, which is only getting started. But so far, we've gotten exactly the type of leadership you'd expect from an ignorant, habitually dishonest reality-TV show star.

[MotownMadness]

Hmmm are you bring sarcastic?

Politely ask? The country lives paycheck to paycheck, employment has been shut down, and our leaders are dragging their feet on implementing rather traditional ways to battle what looks to be a historical economic crisis and you want us to politely ask? Wow.

Still no bill passEd for that 1000 dollar Check I’m waiting for!

What's the hold up on that? Dems are running the house, what's being debated about it?

[Bandit King]

They want to give poor people less money from the news I’m reading.

[Michael Lucky]

USA

225 deaths
115 recoveries



This is not a good sign.

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Well i takes weeks if not a month for someone to be considered recovered so this isnt all that shocking.

[madmaxmedia]

For the people that are against what was done about testing early on - given what Dr. Fauci has been saying about restrictions they had/still somewhat have to deal with, along with not wanting to flood hospitals at the very beginning without them being prepared for it... what would you have done differently?
Additionally if 2 months from now we get through the darkest times of all this with hospital/medical capacity and capability holding up for the most part everywhere, would you still harp on testing or would the end result be enough for you?

Testing early keeps hospital capacity better under control. Information is important to keep people who test positive quarantined and stop the spread. Instead we were flying mostly blind for weeks.

and No, we have already seen too much spread to shrug off the failure of getting the most important part of the puzzle to containing a pandemic, just because you hope things work out.

One of the officials today at the press conference let it slip they've known about this since Jan. 3, almost three months ago. (According to what I've read, China first notified the WHO on Jan. 1, so there's virtually zero lag time there.)

There are going to be hundreds and hundreds of books written about this moving forward, and certainly a country of our size, with our freedoms, was always going to have major, major issues. But holy sh*t man, it's just inexcusable that our elected leader -- and we know this because of the extremely well-documented words that came out of his own mouth -- didn't start to take this seriously until this week. And I read at least one account that the thing that finally pushed him over the edge was freaking Tucker Carlson. (Side note: I loath Carlson, but props to him for being pretty much the only person in the conservative derposphere that could see what was coming and was honest enough to sound the alarm.)

Again, we're going to get extensive assessment on just how that all impacted this whole epidemic, which is only getting started. But so far, we've gotten exactly the type of leadership you'd expect from an ignorant, habitually dishonest reality-TV show star.

Thanks for mentioning that, I absolutely hate the guy but am very interested in watching that. We all need to band together right now, we're all humans first before red/blue/green whatever...

BTW- please watch our for the guidelines in the 1st post of this thread. I like reading your posts, don't want you to run afoul of the mods.

[MotownMadness]

They want to give poor people less money from the news I’m reading.

2500 per couple and a additional 500 per kids sounded pretty good to me. That's 4 grand for my house. Are they saying we can do more?

[shakes0]

well it's official, all of Illinois going on shelter in place starting tomorrow.

[madmaxmedia]

They want to give poor people less money from the news I’m reading.

2500 per couple and a additional 500 per kids sounded pretty good to me. That's 4 grand for my house. Are they saying we can do more?

There's a scale depending on income level. Generally speaking the more you make the less you will receive, if your income is over $200,000 then you might not receive any aid. That all sounds fine to me, but there's some provision about people below the minimum tax threshold also receiving less, which seems really odd to me. I haven't done a lot of reading on it yet though and everything is still in flux.

[Dirk]

Italy

Grey bar: Number of tests/day
Red bar: Number of new cases/day



Marc 10: Quarantine lockdown in the whole country

[MotownMadness]

They want to give poor people less money from the news I’m reading.

2500 per couple and a additional 500 per kids sounded pretty good to me. That's 4 grand for my house. Are they saying we can do more?

There's a scale depending on income level. Generally speaking the more you make the less you will receive, if your income is over $200,000 then you might not receive any aid. That all sounds fine to me, but there's some provision about people below the minimum tax threshold also receiving less, which seems really odd to me. I haven't done a lot of reading on it yet though and everything is still in flux.

$ 200,000 damn, I'm more in the 30-40 thousand bracket lol

[LKN]

This is such a tragedy. I sincerely hope everyone here takes this seriously. Even the crazy flu truther folks!

Read on Twitter

?s=19

[shakes0]

All of Illinois going on lockdown and I'm supposed to close on the selling of my condo and the buying of my new house, both on 3/30. No idea what is going to happen.

[BballIsLife11]

For the people that are against what was done about testing early on - given what Dr. Fauci has been saying about restrictions they had/still somewhat have to deal with, along with not wanting to flood hospitals at the very beginning without them being prepared for it... what would you have done differently?
Additionally if 2 months from now we get through the darkest times of all this with hospital/medical capacity and capability holding up for the most part everywhere, would you still harp on testing or would the end result be enough for you?

Testing early keeps hospital capacity better under control. Information is important to keep people who test positive quarantined and stop the spread. Instead we were flying mostly blind for weeks.

and No, we have already seen too much spread to shrug off the failure of getting the most important part of the puzzle to containing a pandemic, just because you hope things work out.

One of the officials today at the press conference let it slip they've known about this since Jan. 3, almost three months ago. (According to what I've read, China first notified the WHO on Jan. 1, so there's virtually zero lag time there.)

There are going to be hundreds and hundreds of books written about this moving forward, and certainly a country of our size, with our freedoms, was always going to have major, major issues. But holy sh*t man, it's just inexcusable that our elected leader -- and we know this because of the extremely well-documented words that came out of his own mouth -- didn't start to take this seriously until this week. And I read at least one account that the thing that finally pushed him over the edge was freaking Tucker Carlson. (Side note: I loath Carlson, but props to him for being pretty much the only person in the conservative derposphere that could see what was coming and was honest enough to sound the alarm.)

Again, we're going to get extensive assessment on just how that all impacted this whole epidemic, which is only getting started. But so far, we've gotten exactly the type of leadership you'd expect from an ignorant, habitually dishonest reality-TV show star.

So no matter how this turns out this is a failure?
And what if the final numbers turn out to be less than H1N1?
H1N1 infected 60m Americans and killed 22,500.

Not trying to spin any POV btw, just curious on these questions I have.

[Swish1906]

Italy 50000 cases, 4000 dead
Spain 20000 cases, 1050 dead
Germany 19000 cases, 50 dead

The social enviroment plays a huge factor too, specially for the terrible numbers in italy. In Italy its a social norm that kids live with their parents until they get married. 30-35y olds still living with their old parents? Normal. The economy crises also added to this because younger ppl couldnt afford rent. Add the welcome rituals in italy and spain with kisses on the cheeks and the younger generation spread the virus incredible fast to the elder and high risk persons. And this are the persons dying now.

In germany you dont have this culture of multiple generations living under the same roof, kissing all the time to welcome someone etc.

So everyone really should stay away from their parents/grandparents for the next weeks. No dinners, visits, nothing...

[Ainosterhaspie]

They want to give poor people less money from the news I’m reading.

2500 per couple and a additional 500 per kids sounded pretty good to me. That's 4 grand for my house. Are they saying we can do more?

There's a scale depending on income level. Generally speaking the more you make the less you will receive, if your income is over $200,000 then you might not receive any aid. That all sounds fine to me, but there's some provision about people below the minimum tax threshold also receiving less, which seems really odd to me. I haven't done a lot of reading on it yet though and everything is still in flux.

My guess is that if someone was already unemployed and on public assistance, they aren't losing income because of the shutdown. If the aid is meant to target people who's situation is altered because of the disruptions to business, excluding those who are already exclusively on public aid serves that purpose.

I'm not arguing for or against that policy, just pointing out that there is a logic to it that isn't about making the poor suffer more.

[Sedale Threatt]

Testing early keeps hospital capacity better under control. Information is important to keep people who test positive quarantined and stop the spread. Instead we were flying mostly blind for weeks.

and No, we have already seen too much spread to shrug off the failure of getting the most important part of the puzzle to containing a pandemic, just because you hope things work out.

One of the officials today at the press conference let it slip they've known about this since Jan. 3, almost three months ago. (According to what I've read, China first notified the WHO on Jan. 1, so there's virtually zero lag time there.)

There are going to be hundreds and hundreds of books written about this moving forward, and certainly a country of our size, with our freedoms, was always going to have major, major issues. But holy sh*t man, it's just inexcusable that our elected leader -- and we know this because of the extremely well-documented words that came out of his own mouth -- didn't start to take this seriously until this week. And I read at least one account that the thing that finally pushed him over the edge was freaking Tucker Carlson. (Side note: I loath Carlson, but props to him for being pretty much the only person in the conservative derposphere that could see what was coming and was honest enough to sound the alarm.)

Again, we're going to get extensive assessment on just how that all impacted this whole epidemic, which is only getting started. But so far, we've gotten exactly the type of leadership you'd expect from an ignorant, habitually dishonest reality-TV show star.

So no matter how this turns out this is a failure?
And what if the final numbers turn out to be less than H1N1?
H1N1 infected 60m Americans and killed 22,500.

Not trying to spin any POV btw, just curious on these questions I have.

Based on pretty much everything I've read, the death tolls I've seen completely blow that out of the water.