IF YOU DONT LIKE THAT YOU DONT LIKE (UPDATE: he fired himself)

[giordunk]

If you're not American and don't understand the implication of All Lives Matter than I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, because yes in a vacuum, all lives matter.

But honestly, if you're American, call yourself an NBA fan and still don't get this All Lives Matter/Black Lives Matter thing, then shame on you, and you don't deserve the NBA. Even if you disagree at a personal level, the fact that you refuse to budge from your own self-centered opinion on why it might be wrong is just... disheartening.

[jason bourne]

He should be fired for being such a racist and a clown. How can anyone take him seriously now?

He said Donald Sterling wasn't a racist because he hired black people.

[getrichordie]

Because it totally misses the point.
"All lives matter"....duh

Has anyone in the history of human existence asked themselves if white lives mattered for example?
No. Because everyone already knows the answer.

Do black lives matter?
Doesn't really seem to be the case for many unfortunately...
But they do.

Historically, yes. They didn't view it the lens of "white" but rather specific European ethnic groups.

Many many groups in Europe experienced extreme oppression throughout history not even mentioning the Holodomor and Holocaust. The value of these groups lives was in question.

Yeah, I don't want this to be taken as a false comparison with chattel slavery and the awful history of racism in America, because that's not what I'm saying, but I'm Scots-Irish and the lives of Scots and Irish people definitely have not mattered at different times in history.
Hell, Irish people, along with Italians, and probably others now considered white, were even considered black at one point. Race is just a social construct. It can be redefined to practice the erasure of rights and humanity of anyone.
As I said before, it's easy to be woke about things that directly affect you, but few people put in the effort to be socially aware of all the social injustices that don't affect them.
This guy said something tone deaf, but it wasn't racist. If we are going to kick people out of the league for being tone deaf then Lebron can go too because his comments on China and Morey were tone deaf about the plight of the people of Hong Kong, right? C'mon, gtfoh w that.
It's obvious Demarcus Cousins has a personal problem with this guy because the guy has slammed Cousins in the past.

This.

I'm Scots-Irish on my father's side and German Jewish on my mother's so I definitely get where you are coming from. It actually sucks to be lumped in with all of the other "whites." But it's whatever. Racism sucks.

[Chandan]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

All Lives Matter is not a racist comment. Dismissive? Yes. Misses the point? Yes. Racist? Absolutely not. The definition of racism hasn't changed.

Depends on the context. If you didn’t opt into the “modern definition” of that term, then yes, you are being uneducated, insensitive and dismissive, which is fine, because you can improve.

If you use ALM to purposely dismiss and gaslight BLM, then yes, you are being racist.

But in this case, it's not conclusive that he was being a racist. We saw exactly how the conversation transpired. Dude was gloated on by a enemy AND he didn't even say anything negative. He's not being dismissive to the message of BLM. He was dismissive towards Cousins.

To be punished for something so personal and trivial is unjustified. It's a knee jerk reaction by a organization that's scared of backlash by association, not because they care about the issue.

[wutevahung]

[gfycat][/gfycat]

All Lives Matter is not a racist comment. Dismissive? Yes. Misses the point? Yes. Racist? Absolutely not. The definition of racism hasn't changed.

Depends on the context. If you didn’t opt into the “modern definition” of that term, then yes, you are being uneducated, insensitive and dismissive, which is fine, because you can improve.

If you use ALM to purposely dismiss and gaslight BLM, then yes, you are being racist.

But in this case, it's not conclusive that he was being a racist. We saw exactly how it transpired. He's not being dismissive of BLM. He was dismissive towards Cousins.

I don’t know what you saw. He is clearly using all lives on purpose.

There are no way for me to prove he did it on purpose, proving intent is the hardest thing in court, but based on his other quotes from before some other posters provided , the players history with him, and him working in the media, it would be hard for him to claim ignorance.

Multiple nba players who have known this guy for years agreed with Cousins that this guy is racist, but somehow some people just think they are just being sensitive. Just like sitting in the back of the bus wasn’t a big deal I guess.

[MTJazzv3]

Wow. Just stunned. No wonder the riots, no wonder the Lebron saying "NO", sick of this. Le Bron actually caught my attention in a positive way. And yes, such a great idea to fire up the NBA during a national pandemic and social melt-down? 'I need my sports' is such weak sauce right now.

[Arco Thunder]

He was also vehemently against the Kaepernick kneeling protests in the NFL and argued with many callers on his radio show about it and why it doesn't belong in sports.

I'm a long time Kings fan and of Grants play by play but its hard to see how he survives this.

[LKN]

Are people seriously pretending that All Lives Matter isn't a thing that people say to try and dismiss BLM?

Come on - don't play stupid

[Jakay]

Are people seriously pretending that All Lives Matter isn't a thing that people say to try and dismiss BLM?

Come on - don't play stupid

It's just as stupid as thinking anyone who says that is intent on being dismissive.

As much as there is the implied connotation of "Black Live Matter too", I would say a large number of people, perhaps ignorant to the undertone, genuinely mean, "of course they do, because regardless of race or religion all lives matter equally", as an inclusive statement.

And if you don't get that's how some people (not broadcasters who know better) mean it when they say it, then you're as bad as the people you're calling stupid.

[Chandan]

I don’t know what you saw. He is clearly using all lives on purpose.

There are no way for me to prove he did it on purpose, proving intent is the hardest thing in court, but based on his other quotes from before some other posters provided , the players history with him, and him working in the media, it would be hard for him to claim ignorance.

Multiple nba players who have known this guy for years agreed with Cousins that this guy is racist, but somehow some people just think they are just being sensitive. Just like sitting in the back of the bus wasn’t a big deal I guess.

Then crucify him when he actually did say those things, or does something wrong. A tweet conversation between him and a known enemy in which he didn't cross any lines isn't any ground for punishment. This isn't even like some last straw that broke the camel's back. This is literally nothing of value that speaks towards him as a person other than that he doesn't want to submit to Cousins.

If you want him to be retrospectively punished for pass statements and wrong-doing, say so. (and I will happily endorse it) But this time, it's nothing more than a witch hunt.

Also, grow the **** up with your back of the bus statement. this is nothing like that.

[TimRobbins]

I dont get it, whats wrong what he said?

It's a code for "Black live don't matter". The wording seems "just", but it's being used in a racist context.

[Brofessor24]

While some folks use ALM to try to discredit BLM, that is not the case with everyone.

IMO it is important to not lose sight of that.

[Chandan]

I dont get it, whats wrong what he said?

It's a code for "Black live don't matter". The wording seems "just", but it's being used in a racist context.

Dont listen to this. He doesn't speak for everyone. I've never said All Lives Matter before, but believe me when I say this now: all lives matter. I dont want to live in a world where I could lose my job because people could even misinterpret THAT. I dont care what that Grant guy intended, those 3 words dont belong to him, nor anyone else.

[MoCapone]

This is some dumbass purity spiraling

What does "matter" even mean? Matter in terms of equal representation and protection of the law?

Matter to me? To the average person? Don't make me laugh. Hundreds of millions of people have lived in and live in abject misery and oppression worldwide, do they matter to you? How much do they "matter" to you?

As long as you're a good person and treat people fairly and don't endorse or support the government abusing anyone, then you don't need to say some abitrary nonsense such as "black lives matter"

Actions speak louder than words. So go ahead and post your BLM and "hate has no home here" signs in the windows of your 99.9 white neighborhood. Don't make me laugh.

and there is the problem.
You’ve completely dismissed the whole point of the phrase and generalised it, thus generalising the issue at hand.
Are people oppressed around the world yes but sorry to burst your bubble dude, but the issue at hand right now is black lives and all the senseless killings we see time and time and time again.

“As long as your a good person then you don’t need to say black lives matter” - lol what does that even mean

and for the 1millionth time, saying black lives matter does not mean we are saying other lives don’t matter, don’t be ridiculous or stop playing dumb dude

[Invictus88]

So, is it enough for the perpetrator to be white and the victim black for it to be racist? Is it possible for a white person to say/do something negative (for the lack of a better word) to a POC and it not be racist? When? How do we know?
You realize that there is no evidence of George Floyd's murder being racially motivated, right? Or again, is it simply enough that the cop was white and Floyd was black?

If you are looking at it through the lens of just the Floyd incident then you are really missing the boat. It's about a repeated pattern of abuse and lack of punishment for that abuse. The Floyd incident is just the latest case of this; and it happens to be on video for everyone to see.

Can you answer my questions though?
It's not just about Floyd it's about other instances too. Justice is being served in the case of Floyd, no? The cops were fired, the cop who killed him was arrested and is being prosecuted. What more can be done? Have cops always been prosecuted? No, and again, not just when it applies to black lives. I don't believe it's right but I can understand that cops have a difficult job and thus I can understand the legal protection that they would have. Unfortunately, that often means that many of them can get off when they shouldn't. How do we fix that? Probably by more/stricter/better police training. However, that's only one side of the coin. The other side (not being race-specific) needs fixing too, whether it be the education, culture, the family unit, drugs, alcohol, poverty, etc. Again, there are many factors.

1. Regardless of whether or not justice is served it doesn't erase the fact that the abuse happened in the first place. That's the main issue here.

2. It's not even clear that justice will be served:
A) A 3rd degree murder charge is seemingly what the prosecution is moving towards which is way less than it should be; especially given that it looks like the main perpetrator actually worked with and knew the person prior.

B) The initial autopsy from the local morgue was a sham. It's taking the family's push to have independent third parties performing another autopsy to reveal what was blatantly obvious to everyone outside the legal system: The actions of the officer kneeling on the neck actually contributed to death. The fact that this even had to be something that had to be pushed for tells you that the deck is stacked against justice.

C) There have been other seemingly clear-cut instances where law enforcement have killed minorities where they ended up leaving Scot-free. A charge means absolutely nothing. Justice won't be 'served' until a guilty verdict of an appropriate charge is levied, appropriate sentencing is applied, and that verdict survives the appeals system. There's still a lot of places where this can turn sour in terms of achieving justice and have done so in the past.

3. There was nothing difficult about the cops job here once he was restrained on the ground. The man was already being held down by 2 other officers; he was already face down on the ground in cuffs. He walked to that position before getting on the ground voluntarily.

Training should have told the officer that the knee contact to the neck was potentially deadly. If that wasn't enough then the repeated cries for help and pleading from bystanders throughout the 8 1/2 minutes should have been an obvious cue for the four officers to reevaluate what they were doing. The fact that he stopped responding after about 6 minutes should have been a cue for immediate medical attention. It wasn't until 2:30 AFTER that that the officer finally got off. He didn't even stop when another officer checked for a pulse and didn't find one.

4. "the other side needs fixing too": No it doesn't. You're completely missing the point. There aren't prerequisites that should need to be met in order to be treated fairly with respect. It's not a class or a creed or a wealth standard or level of education needed.

As evidence of the obvious double standard currently in place I'll leave it to you as an exercise to watch this video in which a black couple is pulled over and violently arrested for being out past curfew when it wasn't announced there was even curfew until it was too late.

https://www.facebook.com/mizzcam/videos/10116281505978425

The interesting thing about this video is in the opening seconds you see the vehicle immediately in front of them with white occupants waving and smiling at the camera as they drive by.

Why were the occupants of the first car not arrested?

[Shock Defeat]

I dont get it, whats wrong what he said?

It's a code for "Black live don't matter". The wording seems "just", but it's being used in a racist context.

Dont listen to this. He doesn't speak for everyone. I've never said All Lives Matter before, but believe me when I say this now: all lives matter. I dont want to live in a world where I could lose my job because people could even misinterpret THAT. I dont care what that Grant guy intended, those 3 words dont belong to him, nor anyone else.

Thank you, captain obvious.

You know, I just want to jump in on this serious topic and say one thing: I've never said my ***** smell horrible, but believe me when I say this now: my **** really does smell horrible. I don't want to live in a world where I could lose my job because people could even misinterpret THAT.


EDIT: and here's one more thing, notice how many posts have been made in this thread to talk about All Lives Matter, which is something that no one if you asked them directly would disagree with. So much collective effort devoted to talking about something that everyone agrees upon. So what's the point of that? We could be having real dialogue, real conversation about something that matters, instead that one poster who started the "all lives matter" discussion, has successfully killed this thread. Yet another example of the conversation stalling because someone said all lives matter. That's why it's so annoying when someone says that.

[Chandan]

It's a code for "Black live don't matter". The wording seems "just", but it's being used in a racist context.

Dont listen to this. He doesn't speak for everyone. I've never said All Lives Matter before, but believe me when I say this now: all lives matter. I dont want to live in a world where I could lose my job because people could even misinterpret THAT. I dont care what that Grant guy intended, those 3 words dont belong to him, nor anyone else.

Thank you, captain obvious.

You know, I just want to jump in on this serious topic and say one thing: I've never said my ***** smell horrible, but believe me when I say this now: my **** really does smell horrible. I don't want to live in a world where I could lose my job because people could even misinterpret THAT.

The point is people here are saying if you put "ALM after BLM" is dismissive to the former as if its a fact when it's not. It's the exact same as people thinking BLM alone means other lives don't matter. Neither of those are true.

Sorry if it seems obvious to you but people have to be reminded of that.

[EAS Law]

The threshold to be a considered a racist, literally among the most despicable of all civilized humanity, is becoming extremely low.

Maybe saying “all lives matter” is out of touch or misses the point, but does that expression mean that someone’s view is that “people of color are subhuman and inferior to the white race”? I don’t think so.

I understand why people of color feel that it diminishes the message and “black lives matter” applies to a very particular experience, but I really don’t think the sentiment that “all people should enjoy equal right to life” is racist. It just defies reason to say so.

[Shock Defeat]

Dont listen to this. He doesn't speak for everyone. I've never said All Lives Matter before, but believe me when I say this now: all lives matter. I dont want to live in a world where I could lose my job because people could even misinterpret THAT. I dont care what that Grant guy intended, those 3 words dont belong to him, nor anyone else.

Thank you, captain obvious.

You know, I just want to jump in on this serious topic and say one thing: I've never said my ***** smell horrible, but believe me when I say this now: my **** really does smell horrible. I don't want to live in a world where I could lose my job because people could even misinterpret THAT.

The point is people here are saying if you put "ALM after BLM" is dismissive to the former as if its a fact when it's not. It's the exact same as people thinking BLM alone means other lives don't matter. Neither of those are true.

Sorry if it seems obvious to you but people have to be reminded of that.

Who do you think you're fooling with the playing dumb argument? You KNOW what happens when someone responds with All Lives Matter, right? Do you really think the other person is saying "you know what, you are right, I thought white lives didn't matter, thanks buddy!"

Do you really think that people saying BLM are that stupid?

When you say All lives matter then, in your head, you have one of these things in mind:
1. You want to dismiss BLM or steer the conversation into useless territory
2. You genuinely think that the person saying this doesn't think other lives matter, which in a way, really insults their intelligence

[Chandan]

Are people oppressed around the world yes but sorry to burst your bubble dude, but the issue at hand right now is black lives and all the senseless killings we see time and time and time again.

“As long as your a good person then you don’t need to say black lives matter” - lol what does that even mean

and for the 1millionth time, saying black lives matter does not mean we are saying other lives don’t matter, don’t be ridiculous or stop playing dumb dude

Thats the problem. There are no time stamps on issues, someone can support the message but it doesn't mean it's the most pressing issue for them at the moment on a personal level. If we go by the logic that ALM is dismissive to BLM then not being able to say ALM after BLM implies that other lives aren't as important as black lives. To top that off other people are now racist for not prioritizing black lives?? That's rich.

Not too long ago this forum was talking about HK or Uyghurs. Do we ban saying "Uyghurs matters" after BLM because it's stealing their thunder? We are allowed to do that right? because as far as I am concerned they are still in concentration camps. Are we turning this into an issue popularity contest?

Equality is what everyone are fighting for correct? What this feels like now is a bully making themselves issue #1 otherwise you are fired from your work place.