Ainge misses out on another superstar, overrated GM

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Re: Ainge misses out on another superstar, overrated GM 

Post#121 » by Patsfan1081 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:08 pm

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Bologna Smasher wrote:I think he tries too much to "get one over" on his trade partners. Seems like a lot of the GMS don't want to deal with him anymore.

Reminds me of a few years ago, there was an agreed upon trade with the Suns where Amare Stoudemire would've been traded to a mystery team. The GM of the receiving team didn't plan on keeping Amare, but thought they could flip him for a better package. The GM accidentally called the Suns GM and told them the plan and asked what they would be willing to offer for Stoudemire. So he basically called the team and told them he was ripping them off. The rumor at the time was that it was Ainge who agreed to trade Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo for him. I think the incident made a lot of other teams weary to trade with him. It's pretty funny, though.


that is funny, thanks for sharing that story.

Ainge reminds me of this guy who used to be in our Fantasy bball league. He would never, ever, make a trade unless you met his ridiculous demands. Even if you went far and above and gave him a great deal because you were desperate, he would then decide he wants even more, to try and exploit you even further.

Eventually nobody talked to him anymore and he never fixed the holes on his team.


? Never makes a trade? People were killin him for trading out of the first pick. He’s made plenty of trades in his tenure that weren’t slam dunks, people just have this strange narrative because of the Nets deal.
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Re: Ainge misses out on another superstar, overrated GM 

Post#122 » by Patsfan1081 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:16 pm

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Pharmcat wrote:At some point, Ainge needs to be called out for his lack of action to acquire a premiere all star. He has missed out on PG, KL, AD, Harden, CP3, Im running out of fingers to keep it counting.

Ainge problem is he is too emotionally attached to this assets, sometimes you just need to let it go in order to go for the ring. Right now, they are capped out as a ECF round team not having enough stars to move on.

He will be a case study on missed opportunities by a GM.


They were capped out at the ECF last year, now they won't even get that far. Bucks and Nets clearly better.

They could have gotten it done for Brown, filler and picks. Ainge is a moron.


Capped out? How can you say that when they were led by a 22 and 23 year old players and have a team full of rookie contract players? Even when Kemba’s contract is over Tatum and Brown still won’t be in their prime. People are very short sided, Harden and JD might not even be in Brooklyn in two years...
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Re: Ainge misses out on another superstar, overrated GM 

Post#123 » by Karate Diop » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:17 pm

myronbolitar wrote:Let me get this straight: Ainge's Celtics have lost 3 max players over the last 18 months (Kyrie, Horford, Hayward) AND, in the eyes of many posters here, missed massive opportunities to trade for superstars. Do I have that right? If so, the Celtics must be in REALLY bad shape, right?

Huh. Because right now, they have the best record in the Eastern Conference, they're led by 22 year old and 24 year old star two-way wing players (both of which who are locked up for years to come), have a handful of good supporting veterans, a bunch of young guys who may or may not be anything, and they own all their own picks going forward.

If this board had its way, Ainge would've traded his entire cache of assets for DeMarcus Cousins years ago. And then Jimmy Butler after that. And then Paul George after that.

98% of this thread have no idea what they're talking about, and are driven by total ignorance, a hate/jealousy for Ainge, or both.


I don't think anyone is saying the Celtics are in bad shape, just that Ainge was too gun shy to get true difference makers when he had the chance, when those players often would have made the Celtics actual title contenders instead of whatever they are right now (not quite a title contender but not a middle of the pack mediocre team either)...

Early on Ainge was just greedy thinking he could compete.blw and in the future, now after squandering a number of assets he just seems content to ride it out and hope that Brown and Tatum can become Top 15 players in the league...
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Post#124 » by BrooklynDynasty » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:17 pm

Right now the beantown boys are third banana in their own division... 4th once Masai makes some more tweaks
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Re: Ainge misses out on another superstar, overrated GM 

Post#125 » by myronbolitar » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:35 pm

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myronbolitar wrote:Let me get this straight: Ainge's Celtics have lost 3 max players over the last 18 months (Kyrie, Horford, Hayward) AND, in the eyes of many posters here, missed massive opportunities to trade for superstars. Do I have that right? If so, the Celtics must be in REALLY bad shape, right?

Huh. Because right now, they have the best record in the Eastern Conference, they're led by 22 year old and 24 year old star two-way wing players (both of which who are locked up for years to come), have a handful of good supporting veterans, a bunch of young guys who may or may not be anything, and they own all their own picks going forward.

If this board had its way, Ainge would've traded his entire cache of assets for DeMarcus Cousins years ago. And then Jimmy Butler after that. And then Paul George after that.

98% of this thread have no idea what they're talking about, and are driven by total ignorance, a hate/jealousy for Ainge, or both.


I don't think anyone is saying the Celtics are in bad shape, just that Ainge was too gun shy to get true difference makers when he had the chance, when those players often would have made the Celtics actual title contenders instead of whatever they are right now (not quite a title contender but not a middle of the pack mediocre team either)...

Early on Ainge was just greedy thinking he could compete.blw and in the future, now after squandering a number of assets he just seems content to ride it out and hope that Brown and Tatum can become Top 15 players in the league...


They were one of the final four teams last year, as they have been 3 of the last 4 years...nobody serious thinks that they're "middle of the pack" and it's not worth continuing the conversation if our senses of reality diverge that much.

The issue here? People don't like Danny Ainge - either because he ripped off your team at one point or you're just jealous. Up until a few years ago, the attack against him was that he made too many moves. Now it's that he makes too few moves. Of course he's not a perfect GM, nobody's claiming that...but the criticism is disingenuous and ill-informed.

Their first ECF appearance during this run was 2017 - they look poised to be there (and beyond, hopefully, of course - that's the goal) for the next 4 or 5 years at least. That'd mark a decade-long run of being in the mix. That's very, very tough to do. Obviously, the goal is to win a championship. Especially when you're talking about a city that has enjoyed 12 of them since 2001. And while it hasn't been a straight upward trajectory for the Celtics, I'm grateful that someone with discipline is running the franchise, and not an impulsive, short-sighted RealGMer who would've happily cashed in the chips for a soon-to-be broken down DeMarcus Cousins 4 years ago.
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Re: Ainge misses out on another superstar, overrated GM 

Post#126 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:40 pm

Well there are superstars and there are superstars. Ainge learned his lesson with Kyrie. He wasn't going to repeat the mistake with Harden.
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Post#127 » by Zombiesonics » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:43 pm

it would be idiotic for ainge to part with brown AND smart for harden. Again, not sure the general board is aware of how good brown is...forget about the perennially all defense smart on a great deal.

They dont need guards, they need to improve their forward rotation desperately though.
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Post#128 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:44 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:Right now the beantown boys are third banana in their own division... 4th once Masai makes some more tweaks


Boston beat both Philly and Toronto in the playoffs last year and now were putting them above Boston again? Lol.
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Post#129 » by druggas » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:46 pm

gavran wrote:The day Pharmcat opens decent thread will be the day the Knicks win the championship.

Well, it's 7 pages and growing.
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Post#130 » by BrooklynDynasty » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:46 pm

Zombiesonics wrote:it would be idiotic for ainge to part with brown AND smart for harden. Again, not sure the general board is aware of how good brown is...forget about the perennially all defense smart on a great deal.

They dont need guards, they need to improve their forward rotation desperately though.


brown is a playoff choker, he disappears in post-season games overall if you look at the aggregate stats
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Post#131 » by Joshyjess » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:49 pm

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Post#132 » by Zombiesonics » Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:53 pm

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Zombiesonics wrote:it would be idiotic for ainge to part with brown AND smart for harden. Again, not sure the general board is aware of how good brown is...forget about the perennially all defense smart on a great deal.

They dont need guards, they need to improve their forward rotation desperately though.


brown is a playoff choker, he disappears in post-season games overall if you look at the aggregate stats

I think you are confusing harden and brown. Harden is not some player who raises his game in the postseason, like say jokic.
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Re: Ainge misses out on another superstar, overrated GM 

Post#133 » by Metallikid » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:49 pm

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Metallikid wrote:
Pharmcat wrote:At some point, Ainge needs to be called out for his lack of action to acquire a premiere all star. He has missed out on PG, KL, AD, Harden, CP3, Im running out of fingers to keep it counting.

Ainge problem is he is too emotionally attached to this assets, sometimes you just need to let it go in order to go for the ring. Right now, they are capped out as a ECF round team not having enough stars to move on.

He will be a case study on missed opportunities by a GM.


They were capped out at the ECF last year, now they won't even get that far. Bucks and Nets clearly better.

They could have gotten it done for Brown, filler and picks. Ainge is a moron.


Capped out? How can you say that when they were led by a 22 and 23 year old players and have a team full of rookie contract players? Even when Kemba’s contract is over Tatum and Brown still won’t be in their prime. People are very short sided, Harden and JD might not even be in Brooklyn in two years...


I don't see how improvements in Tatum/Brown are going to make up for losing Hayward for nothing. Look how well he is playing in Charlotte. If you added him back to your roster you guys would be looking great. Of course it's a risky move. I just think Ainge had enough picks to flip Brown for Harden and still fill out whatever the team needs. You want an all-star big to go with Harden/Smart/Tatum/Theis? Ship some of those picks to Orlando for Vucevic, etc.
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Post#134 » by FlatearthZorro » Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:57 pm

BrooklynDynasty wrote:Right now the beantown boys are third banana in their own division... 4th once Masai makes some more tweaks


Right now were atop of the East, literally.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#135 » by MemphisX » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:05 pm

Pressure on Ainge comes next season when Smart is an expiring deal. Now if they could somehow extend him, they are good. However, I think Smart tries to get paid on his next deal.
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Post#136 » by ITYSL » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:12 pm

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Zombiesonics wrote:it would be idiotic for ainge to part with brown AND smart for harden. Again, not sure the general board is aware of how good brown is...forget about the perennially all defense smart on a great deal.

They dont need guards, they need to improve their forward rotation desperately though.


brown is a playoff choker, he disappears in post-season games overall if you look at the aggregate stats

Last season he was 20/6/2 on 58% TS and +2 NetRtg in the regular season, and 22/8/2 on 59% TS and +4 NetRtg in the playoffs.
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Post#137 » by akula1488 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:17 pm

Brown is a two way player and I also agree Brown + Smart + picks for Har_en (no D) is too much
Cannot fault him for not getting AD and Kawhi since they want to be in LA.
Kyrie is a nut case.

So the bigger issue is he lost his FAs for nothing and squandered his draft pick assets.
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Post#138 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:18 pm

MemphisX wrote:Pressure on Ainge comes next season when Smart is an expiring deal. Now if they could somehow extend him, they are good. However, I think Smart tries to get paid on his next deal.


Yes, but even if they have to pay Smart what he's worth, they will not be subject to the repeater tax, which they would have been had they traded for Harden.

The Nets payroll just went up to over $160M, with $130M on just four players. And they are on the hook next year as well.

You also have to laugh at the Pacers, who refused to part with Oladipo in the rumored Turner trade. Now they have Caris LeVert instead of Gordon Hayward and they've still got the overpaid Turner clogging their cap.
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Post#139 » by AdagioPace » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:18 pm

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Post#140 » by BrooklynDynasty » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:22 pm

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BrooklynDynasty wrote:
Zombiesonics wrote:it would be idiotic for ainge to part with brown AND smart for harden. Again, not sure the general board is aware of how good brown is...forget about the perennially all defense smart on a great deal.

They dont need guards, they need to improve their forward rotation desperately though.


brown is a playoff choker, he disappears in post-season games overall if you look at the aggregate stats

Last season he was 20/6/2 on 58% TS and +2 NetRtg in the regular season, and 22/8/2 on 59% TS and +4 NetRtg in the playoffs.


how he look against the 5th seed HEAT?

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