Randle vs. Porzingis

[NYKnickerbocker]

I mean In a strictly player comparison randle is probably better. Has a broader skill set. But KP on paper has a better plug and play fit. But I’d like to see Randle next to a competent point guard on the Knicks to take some ball handling responsibility’s from him. Cause elfrid payton ain’t it

[tony22]

Trading Porzingis might have been the only thing that could be done at that point as things had grown sour, but I doubt it. But the 2 things missing in this equation is that Durant himself mentioned that KP was a player that he’d like to play with, so the Knicks did things ass backwards if one of the goals trading him was to help their free agency prospects. Plus they also negotiated a hilariously bad trade package which only looks 5 times worse in hindsight with the value of high level players continuing to rise.

The Knicks screwed up here, and that’s the sort of stuff that happens when you have a dysfunctional front office with an interim GM pulling the strings.

I would wait until the draft picks all happen before deeming this a failure. Given KP would have bolted, I would be happy to get a fringe starter or solid bench prospect with the unprotected pick all things considered. Would I have liked to have seen more sure but I don't deem this a failed trade, especially if the cap space leads to a good surplus package for Randle.

You don’t really have to wait for the draft picks, Dallas is a good, if not very good tram and has a superstar which raises their floor too high. Those simply aren’t going to be high draft picks regardless of how much wishful thinking people do. Plus getting DSJ in the deal just ended up being bad salary. Between is poor attitude and low Bball IQ, Dallas couldn’t ditch him quickly enough. But the Knicks treated him like solid asset return based on the package they received.

I’m sure if they canvassed the league, and other GM’s did speak out that they had no idea that KP was even available, the Knicks could have easily found a better deal or 5. But again, that’s due to having poor management in charge. I’m pretty certain that Leon Rose wouldn’t make the same type of mistakes, he seems to be on the ball.

Well, if you wouldn't be blinded by your Hate, you'd see that Dallas isn't a very good team right now..

[The_Hater]

I would wait until the draft picks all happen before deeming this a failure. Given KP would have bolted, I would be happy to get a fringe starter or solid bench prospect with the unprotected pick all things considered. Would I have liked to have seen more sure but I don't deem this a failed trade, especially if the cap space leads to a good surplus package for Randle.

You don’t really have to wait for the draft picks, Dallas is a good, if not very good tram and has a superstar which raises their floor too high. Those simply aren’t going to be high draft picks regardless of how much wishful thinking people do. Plus getting DSJ in the deal just ended up being bad salary. Between is poor attitude and low Bball IQ, Dallas couldn’t ditch him quickly enough. But the Knicks treated him like solid asset return based on the package they received.

I’m sure if they canvassed the league, and other GM’s did speak out that they had no idea that KP was even available, the Knicks could have easily found a better deal or 5. But again, that’s due to having poor management in charge. I’m pretty certain that Leon Rose wouldn’t make the same type of mistakes, he seems to be on the ball.

Well, if you wouldn't be blinded by your Hate, you'd see that Dallas isn't a very good team right now..

We’ll see where they end up at the end of the season, but just because they’re 8-10 playing THE leagues toughest schedule to date and playing through a boatload of injuries are factors that simple minded people seem to miss. Not to mention their high talent level on the roster. Those people can’t look any deeper than a team’s current record when making their assessment apparently.

[Mr Puddles]

If these guys were dogs their names would be Droolius Randle and Poochzingis.

Think about it.

[E-Balla]

You don’t really have to wait for the draft picks, Dallas is a good, if not very good tram and has a superstar which raises their floor too high. Those simply aren’t going to be high draft picks regardless of how much wishful thinking people do. Plus getting DSJ in the deal just ended up being bad salary. Between is poor attitude and low Bball IQ, Dallas couldn’t ditch him quickly enough. But the Knicks treated him like solid asset return based on the package they received.

I’m sure if they canvassed the league, and other GM’s did speak out that they had no idea that KP was even available, the Knicks could have easily found a better deal or 5. But again, that’s due to having poor management in charge. I’m pretty certain that Leon Rose wouldn’t make the same type of mistakes, he seems to be on the ball.

Well, if you wouldn't be blinded by your Hate, you'd see that Dallas isn't a very good team right now..

We’ll see where they end up at the end of the season, but just because they’re 8-10 playing THE leagues toughest schedule to date and playing through a boatload of injuries are factors that simple minded people seem to miss. Not to mention their high talent level on the roster. Those people can’t look any deeper than a team’s current record when making their assessment apparently.

They're 8th in SRS (which adjusts for strength of schedule) and their most key injured players are Josh Richardson (who played 55 games last year) and KP (lol). It's not guaranteed they get healthy, also teams that are under them in SRS (mainly the Grizzlies and Blazers) have had worse injuries.

[tony22]

You don’t really have to wait for the draft picks, Dallas is a good, if not very good tram and has a superstar which raises their floor too high. Those simply aren’t going to be high draft picks regardless of how much wishful thinking people do. Plus getting DSJ in the deal just ended up being bad salary. Between is poor attitude and low Bball IQ, Dallas couldn’t ditch him quickly enough. But the Knicks treated him like solid asset return based on the package they received.

I’m sure if they canvassed the league, and other GM’s did speak out that they had no idea that KP was even available, the Knicks could have easily found a better deal or 5. But again, that’s due to having poor management in charge. I’m pretty certain that Leon Rose wouldn’t make the same type of mistakes, he seems to be on the ball.

Well, if you wouldn't be blinded by your Hate, you'd see that Dallas isn't a very good team right now..

We’ll see where they end up at the end of the season, but just because they’re 8-10 playing THE leagues toughest schedule to date and playing through a boatload of injuries are factors that simple minded people seem to miss. Not to mention their high talent level on the roster. Those people can’t look any deeper than a team’s current record when making their assessment apparently.

I agree, Dallas has talent, Luka by himself means a lot. But what good of all those talented players, if they are injured, fatigued, or have no chemistry. Naturally they will underperform and the team will go down in standings, and that is all what matters to the Knicks in this case.

[HomoSapien]

It has to be Randle simply because Porzingis' health makes him so unreliable. Meanwhile, Randle is one of the most consistent players in the league. He sort of reminds me of Zach Randolph in the sense that he's putting up numbers on bad teams so people just assume he's not a winning player. Once he gets on a good team, I think people will realize that he's an All-Star talent and will be doing this for years to come.

[GYK]

If these guys were dogs their names would be Droolius Randle and Poochzingis.

Think about it.

“Think about it” makes this so much funnier idk why

[Manhattan Project]

I think it's safe to say that a lot of people haven't seen the player Randle has become this year, his play style has done a complete 180. He's actually doing a fantastic job of recognizing the double teams when they come and finds the open man, often baiting the defenders. He still plays his bully ball on offense, right now he's just playing at an all star level. Considering the lack of shooting/spacing on the team, you could wonder just how gaudy his numbers could be with some more shooting around him. Sure he's playing a lot of minutes, but Randle this year has been incredible.

[HomoSapien]

I think it's safe to say that a lot of people haven't seen the player Randle has become this year, his play style has done a complete 180. He's actually doing a fantastic job of recognizing the double teams when they come and finds the open man, often baiting the defenders. He still plays his bully ball on offense, right now he's just playing at an all star level. Considering the lack of shooting/spacing on the team, you could wonder just how gaudy his numbers could be with some more shooting around him. Sure he's playing a lot of minutes, but Randle this year has been incredible.

Do you suspect the Knicks will try and keep him long-term or is he still a stop-gap player?

[E-Balla]

It has to be Randle simply because Porzingis' health makes him so unreliable. Meanwhile, Randle is one of the most consistent players in the league. He sort of reminds me of Zach Randolph in the sense that he's putting up numbers on bad teams so people just assume he's not a winning player. Once he gets on a good team, I think people will realize that he's an All-Star talent and will be doing this for years to come.

He was definitely just a numbers guy before this year. Always skilled and talented but didn't have the IQ. Now he's in better shape than ever, rededicated to watching film instead of just practicing his skills, and it's paying off. Both he and RJ (his skills are lacking so the numbers are bad but I'm sure by any+/- metric he's killing it - haven't checked yet) are showing a great basketball iq this year. They're guys that love the game so Thibs guiding them is leading to rapid improvement.

Randle is looking like baby C Webb, which is what I thought he'd be in highschool.

[Manhattan Project]

I think it's safe to say that a lot of people haven't seen the player Randle has become this year, his play style has done a complete 180. He's actually doing a fantastic job of recognizing the double teams when they come and finds the open man, often baiting the defenders. He still plays his bully ball on offense, right now he's just playing at an all star level. Considering the lack of shooting/spacing on the team, you could wonder just how gaudy his numbers could be with some more shooting around him. Sure he's playing a lot of minutes, but Randle this year has been incredible.

Do you suspect the Knicks will try and keep him long-term or is he still a stop-gap player?

I have a feeling that the Knicks didn't expect him to be *this* good this year, even with bringing Payne and the other assistants on. There's a reason they draft Obi Toppin, with his last year of his contract not guaranteed I suspect the Knicks wanted to build his trade value and then move on. Now with Randle playing well and the Knicks being in the East, they'll pick up his option and see where it goes I believe. He'll be in his prime after the current contract is up and if he continues this level of play, there's no reason not to keep him around. I don't think the Knicks pivot and trade him at this point unless the team just starts racking up the losses.

Thibs has the Knicks playing defense, that alone might allow them to sneak into the playoffs.

[SeanieWard]

The most impressive part about Randle is that he’s putting up 23/11/7 while getting double and triple teamed hard every single game. When we had KP as the first option he struggled.

Is he really getting triple teamed tho?

[Chanel Bomber]

KP is better as a role player than Randle (3&D profile, ability to play 5-out).

Randle is better as a featured player than KP (better passer, more efficient scorer, better ball-handler).

[bronxknicksfan1]

You don’t really have to wait for the draft picks, Dallas is a good, if not very good tram and has a superstar which raises their floor too high. Those simply aren’t going to be high draft picks regardless of how much wishful thinking people do. Plus getting DSJ in the deal just ended up being bad salary. Between is poor attitude and low Bball IQ, Dallas couldn’t ditch him quickly enough. But the Knicks treated him like solid asset return based on the package they received.

I’m sure if they canvassed the league, and other GM’s did speak out that they had no idea that KP was even available, the Knicks could have easily found a better deal or 5. But again, that’s due to having poor management in charge. I’m pretty certain that Leon Rose wouldn’t make the same type of mistakes, he seems to be on the ball.

Well, if you wouldn't be blinded by your Hate, you'd see that Dallas isn't a very good team right now..

We’ll see where they end up at the end of the season, but just because they’re 8-10 playing THE leagues toughest schedule to date and playing through a boatload of injuries are factors that simple minded people seem to miss. Not to mention their high talent level on the roster. Those people can’t look any deeper than a team’s current record when making their assessment apparently.

I have a hard time giving any sympathy for their injuries when the Knicks have been dealing with their own injuries while playing a tough schedule as well. At the moment, they've been playing poorly and the West looks more competitive than it was last year. So let's see how things shake out.

[TheDavinciCHODE]

KP is a more valuable player, and seamlessly fits into a good team. Randal is most effective when the ball runs through him, and that limits how good an offense can be.

However, given the choice between Randal for 82 games and KP for 10 games a year, then I'd take Randal.

[WargamesX]

The most impressive part about Randle is that he’s putting up 23/11/7 while getting double and triple teamed hard every single game. When we had KP as the first option he struggled.

Is he really getting triple teamed tho?

Yes and he is handling it well because he passes out now instead of trying to score on three defenders.

[bronxknicksfan1]

KP is the more unique talent with a higher ceiling, but the better player has to be Randle. He just makes his team that much better right now. He's a better passer and rebounder. Even looking like the better scorer at the moment. And the most important attribute that's already been mentioned, he's durable. Love the turnaround and improvement in Randle's game.

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[KGtabake]

Props to Randle. He has made everybody look ignorant.
Maybe the best pick the Lakers had in the decade. Who would have thought. Props to him.
KP can infuriate fans. All this talent will remain just talent? The injuries are serious excuse but he lacks motor either way.