Tim Duncan "hates a lot of things" about the modern NBA

[collidingNeurons]

personally i think they need to enforce the flopping rule and give a technical foul for it regardless where it happens on the court and they should stop rewarding guys being rewarded for being barely touched when they feel someone brush against them following them through a screen. I literally never recall Olajuwon shooting a hook shot, I'm sure he did but it was never what he was known for

[LoneyROY]

Stonewall Timmy D.

One of the greatest defensive leaders the game has ever seen.

[DCasey91]

I love Time Duncan all time great player. Probably the most unselfish top ten player in NBA history.

First and foremost the NBA has become an entertainment product widening the gap from entertainment and state of play currently.

My perfect NBA game (won’t happen but idealistically I do dislike that word lol):

1. FIBA rules (full zone, smaller court, less timeouts, it was awesome that whole time. High lvl comp & great games to boot.)

2. Bring back handchecking (gotta give the defenders some chop out on the perimeter but I’m def against holding/jersey grabbing).

3. One warning then suspend floppers (repeat offenders get a multiplier added on. Like both Lowry & Smart but cmon you two).

4. This is something for players and coaches. Shot selection！Curry can chuck up 10 3’s game and I wouldn’t bat an eyelid. But if a player is chucking because 3>2 I kinda chuckle too myself.

5. 60 game season. One at home and one away. That would make regular season games far more interesting and each game would add so much value win/lose.

That would be my ideal fantasy bball game.
But alas it’s certainly not realistic at all to put into legislation/ losing money from less regular games.
But that’s the world we live in I guess.

Quality >>> quantity.

I’ll happily go to the first class cinemas & get a full meal and watch Dallas Buyers Club once over paying to see 10 bog average films.

[Higgs Boston]

He is one of the few ex NBA players who talks with sense about the modern NBA.

[Schiltzenberger]

The 'old man yells at cloud' brigade are probably the same fools that have pushed the narrative that old school players and coaches were too stupid to realise that 3 points is worth more than 2 points.... yes, I have seen this argument.
Same with the suggestion that NBA players just all of a sudden became better 3pt shooters.

When the defense doesn't have it's hands tied behind it's back, believe it or not, it is actually harder to shoot. Who'd have thunk it?

The worst part of the game today is the ball handler/shooter making an unnatural deviation or movement to draw a foul. It should be a no call, or an offensive foul.... but no, they give the offense the benefit of the doubt EVERY SINGLE TIME. It is absurdly ridiculous. This is why defenders have to give so much space, which means shooters are out there running practice drills...... and it looks like it too.

Also, when people complain about the 3pt chuckfest it doesn't mean they want the NBA to be Pistons bad boys or Fratello 60ppg style..... we want balance. An inside outside game, shoot 3s where appropriate, but also bang it down low and get some post moves happening. Olajawon pulling off a dream shake is one the most beautiful things in basketball, that doesn't get lost due to 'evolution', it gets lost due to rule changes.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I'd like to see the NBA do these things to help bigs.

1. Euro rules on goaltending.
2. Take away 3 second violations and 5 seconds back to the basket (although these are rarely enforced anyway, let them camp ALL game if they want).
3. Have a rule where blood has to be drawn for a foul to be called.

I think they should review the challenge rules adding something like a "trial by combat" where each coach picks one of the players on the floor to represent him in a NHB fight.
I think that would make smallball less viable and increase the importance of having a behemot on the floor.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Tim said the truth.

Tim Duncan is so underrated. Tim Duncan had the best career of his generation.

[Marrrcuss]

I think we romanticize the past and lies creep in.

The rough and tough 1980s and 1990s possess the absolute highest league wide shooting percentages ever, in an era that was supposed to be so defensive minded.

Meanwhile, this year is .002 from being the highest 3 point shooting % year ever.

[Zenzibar]

This is the young kids when all-time great say that the NBA is not as watchable today and they argue with you:

[zeebneeb]

As a retired mod you should know better then crap-posting. This is not an old man yelling at clouds situation.

As for the topic, Duncan is correct. The game right now is unbalanced as hell with way to much emphasis being placed on perimeter scoring, and on offense in general. The hand check absolutely needs to be brought back, and there needs to be some kind of penalty, in-game, for players trying to draw fouls on the perimeter. Not an after the fact fine, but an immediate pre-flop technical foul. Falling down, kicking legs out, e.t.c

Physicality needs to be allowed at a much higher level on the perimeter in general. You want to keep protecting shooters? Fine, but making it much more difficult to get to their spots would help balance it out.

The game is in a transitional period right now, and it shows. It's sloppy, and unbalanced. New bigman rookies coming into the league seem unsure of themselves, and make three point shooting something they have to do instead of going down low, grabbing a rebound, and going to work. Not every player is Steph Curry.

The last thing is that the defense should be given the benefit of the doubt the majority of the time. Everyone knows that the offensive player is trying to draw the foul on every single shot, drive, pass, jump, anything. Tired of watching a player move in a complete unnatural way just to draw the foul the refs will call without batting an eye.

You can't have a game where on certain portions of the playing field physical play is allowed, and just 10 feet away, none is allowed. Its idiotic.

[Galloisdaman]

I'm not a Duncan fan but what he said is an opinion shared by many. Some of the best players (Shaq, Wilt, Moses, Hakeem, Patrick, Kareem) of all time would have had their careers limited by this 3 and layup league.

[niQ]

Everything he said was true.

[brutalitops]

Nah have to disagree, Im usually happy to slam older players who just **** on todays players and talk about the good old times, But I think Duncan was articulate and pretty spot on on a few things

[DS17]

Of course a Warriors fan would respond to Tim’s opinion with this!

[Zombiesonics]

I think one of the things in todays game that is truly disgusting is the amount of flopping charges that prevent post finishes at the rim. anytime there is a size mismatch in the post(some times it doesn't even matter), the defensive player just times up a perfectly acted flop. Its revolting.

[Bornstellar]

He didn't say anything that is incorrect. And as a post player you can get why he feels that was since real post play is all but eliminated from the current landscape. I would guess most ex-players, especially bigs, don't like the way the game is played now. 10 years ago there is no way an NBA team would get away with putting a 6'6 guy on a 7 footer but it's happening pretty routinely now

[FNQ]

You can't have a game where on certain portions of the playing field physical play is allowed, and just 10 feet away, none is allowed. Its idiotic.

Name one of the big 4 sports where this is true

Baseball? I can slide into you around the base. I can still run through you as a catcher as long as I dont lower my shoulder
Football? I can manhandle you, unless I'm a DB and its 5 ft past the line of scrimmage. <arrested development no touching>
Hockey? I can have a fistfight 2 feet away from the goalie but if I lay a finger on him during the skirmish, not allowed

All sounds good being said until you really think about it

[FNQ]

Nah have to disagree, Im usually happy to slam older players who just **** on todays players and talk about the good old times, But I think Duncan was articulate and pretty spot on on a few things

I can think he's articulate and wrong. Really only difference to me isn't that he wasn't incoherent. But frankly Rick Barry makes the same criticism and I think he's wrong too

[FNQ]

The 'old man yells at cloud' brigade are probably the same fools that have pushed the narrative that old school players and coaches were too stupid to realise that 3 points is worth more than 2 points.... yes, I have seen this argument.
Same with the suggestion that NBA players just all of a sudden became better 3pt shooters.

When the defense doesn't have it's hands tied behind it's back, believe it or not, it is actually harder to shoot. Who'd have thunk it?

The worst part of the game today is the ball handler/shooter making an unnatural deviation or movement to draw a foul. It should be a no call, or an offensive foul.... but no, they give the offense the benefit of the doubt EVERY SINGLE TIME. It is absurdly ridiculous. This is why defenders have to give so much space, which means shooters are out there running practice drills...... and it looks like it too.

Also, when people complain about the 3pt chuckfest it doesn't mean they want the NBA to be Pistons bad boys or Fratello 60ppg style..... we want balance. An inside outside game, shoot 3s where appropriate, but also bang it down low and get some post moves happening. Olajawon pulling off a dream shake is one the most beautiful things in basketball, that doesn't get lost due to 'evolution', it gets lost due to rule changes.

How do you suggest the balance? Because no matter what the rule change, it will be exploited, because thats how analytics work these days. Find the highest value shot. If the pivot is to the post being the highest value shot, then we'll be swarmed with that. This basketball nirvana you people believe is out there.. doesn't exist.

[FNQ]

The 'old man yells at cloud' brigade are probably the same fools that have pushed the narrative that old school players and coaches were too stupid to realise that 3 points is worth more than 2 points.... yes, I have seen this argument.
Same with the suggestion that NBA players just all of a sudden became better 3pt shooters..

How long did it take after the implementation of the hand-check rule did 3pt-bombing become a thing?

Analytics had been saying it for a while and it didnt happen until what, the late 2000s? 5 years. So yeah, stupid, stubborn, whatever you want to call it