Ant-Man is it

[jwise44]

But he had a cool dunk last night?

[Godymas]

Tbh Wiggins is showing stuff he never showed in Minnesota and is having his most efficient season ever in Golden State so really is it Ant Man or just the fact that the TWolves have now replaced the Clippers as the worst franchise in the history of the NBA

Wiggins efficiency is the same.

Google it.

Career .045 WS/48 now .061.

Lol he’s shooting a career high 40% from 3 on 5 attempts

[Quentin]

I've been very impressed with his driving to the hoop ability. Has complete body control just needs to learn how to get it IN the hoop and/or draw a foul. If he can hit that 3 at a better clip, look out.

Actually he's hitting the 3 at a very good clip right now, but that probably isn't gonna last.

It's not so important that he gets these 30 point games on a night where he has something to prove vs. his old team. It's more important he keeps getting the 16-17 ppg with excellent defensive effort.

What makes you think I'm talking about Wiggins in an "Ant-Man" thread?

[Mike87]

Rough start for the kid but he has a few things going for him. Elite athleticism that can't be taught and age (won't be 20 until august). How good he ends up will depend on the work he puts in. He needs to be constantly watching film with coaches when he's not training so he can play to his strengths and to learn how to pick his spots/improve d/and not have tunnel vision on his drives. He can beat his man off the dribble with ease, just needs to have more of a plan when he does. The shooting numbers are brutal but 80% from the line tells me it's more about shot selection. Also, shooting 27.5% from three on 5.3 attempts (while obviously very bad) shows he can hit the three. No way he should be taking that many attempts, but for a 19 year old in a lost season it's not the worst thing for him to be getting up a ton of shots. Will be interesting to track his season and next few years.

[BadWolf]

He's drawing fouls and going to the free throw line better last few games.
#babysteps

[Jadoogar]

7 players have more FGA than points (min 100 attempts)
Theo Maledon (96 points, 103 FGA)
Robert Covington (97 points, 109 FGA)
Tyus Jones (109 points, 112 FGA)
Aaron Holiday (110 points on 122 FGA)
Dillon Brooks (197 points, 206 FGA)
Kelly Oubre Jr. (198 points, 200 FGA)
Anthony Edwards (196 points, 209 FGA)

Westbrook and Lonzo are very close.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Rough start for the kid but he has a few things going for him. Elite athleticism that can't be taught and age (won't be 20 until august). How good he ends up will depend on the work he puts in. He needs to be constantly watching film with coaches when he's not training so he can play to his strengths and to learn how to pick his spots/improve d/and not have tunnel vision on his drives. He can beat his man off the dribble with ease, just needs to have more of a plan when he does. The shooting numbers are brutal but 80% from the line tells me it's more about shot selection. Also, shooting 27.5% from three on 5.3 attempts (while obviously very bad) shows he can hit the three. No way he should be taking that many attempts, but for a 19 year old in a lost season it's not the worst thing for him to be getting up a ton of shots. Will be interesting to track his season and next few years.

Weren't there many other 19 year olds drafted?

They can improve with age, too... only from a place already ahead of Edwards. Bottom line... every player that ends up better than Edwards (in 2 years, 5 years or 10+ years) is proof that Minnesota screwed up.

They had the top pick. If he aint the top guy... they screwed up.

[AbeVigodaLive]

7 players have more FGA than points (min 100 attempts)
Theo Maledon (96 points, 103 FGA)
Robert Covington (97 points, 109 FGA)
Tyus Jones (109 points, 112 FGA)
Aaron Holiday (110 points on 122 FGA)
Dillon Brooks (197 points, 206 FGA)
Kelly Oubre Jr. (198 points, 200 FGA)
Anthony Edwards (196 points, 209 FGA)

Westbrook and Lonzo are very close.

Ha.

3 of the 7 are Wolves... or recent Wolves players.

[Mike87]

Rough start for the kid but he has a few things going for him. Elite athleticism that can't be taught and age (won't be 20 until august). How good he ends up will depend on the work he puts in. He needs to be constantly watching film with coaches when he's not training so he can play to his strengths and to learn how to pick his spots/improve d/and not have tunnel vision on his drives. He can beat his man off the dribble with ease, just needs to have more of a plan when he does. The shooting numbers are brutal but 80% from the line tells me it's more about shot selection. Also, shooting 27.5% from three on 5.3 attempts (while obviously very bad) shows he can hit the three. No way he should be taking that many attempts, but for a 19 year old in a lost season it's not the worst thing for him to be getting up a ton of shots. Will be interesting to track his season and next few years.

Weren't there many other 19 year olds drafted?

They can improve with age, too... only from a place already ahead of Edwards. Bottom line... every player that ends up better than Edwards (in 2 years, 5 years or 10+ years) is proof that Minnesota screwed up.

They had the top pick. If he aint the top guy... they screwed up.

Yeah there were a good amount of 19 year olds drafted (just checked and looks like he's the fourth youngest player in the league). And yes all young guys can improve but his raw athleticism is something the others don't have.

Agreed, if he's not the top player they messed up, but we likely won't know that for years

[AbeVigodaLive]

Rough start for the kid but he has a few things going for him. Elite athleticism that can't be taught and age (won't be 20 until august). How good he ends up will depend on the work he puts in. He needs to be constantly watching film with coaches when he's not training so he can play to his strengths and to learn how to pick his spots/improve d/and not have tunnel vision on his drives. He can beat his man off the dribble with ease, just needs to have more of a plan when he does. The shooting numbers are brutal but 80% from the line tells me it's more about shot selection. Also, shooting 27.5% from three on 5.3 attempts (while obviously very bad) shows he can hit the three. No way he should be taking that many attempts, but for a 19 year old in a lost season it's not the worst thing for him to be getting up a ton of shots. Will be interesting to track his season and next few years.

Weren't there many other 19 year olds drafted?

They can improve with age, too... only from a place already ahead of Edwards. Bottom line... every player that ends up better than Edwards (in 2 years, 5 years or 10+ years) is proof that Minnesota screwed up.

They had the top pick. If he aint the top guy... they screwed up.

Yeah there were a good amount of 19 year olds drafted (just checked and looks like he's the fourth youngest player in the league). And yes all young guys can improve but his raw athleticism is something the others don't have.

Agreed, if he's not the top player they messed up, but we likely won't know that for years

Fair enough... but every year that he's NOT the best player... is a lost year then.

Right now... in a fairly small sample size... he's been objectively awful. And he's a reason why the Wolves are losing. A lot has to change quickly for Edwards to have a positive impact on this season.

It's an oft-overlooked part of the incessant Promise of Hope campaign the Wolves have been churning out for years now. "Don't worry, there's a slim chance things may change and we'll be in great shape eventually."

Meanwhile, while the fans wait patiently, the Timberwolves are lapped by the field. Again.

[thinktank]

Tbh Wiggins is showing stuff he never showed in Minnesota and is having his most efficient season ever in Golden State so really is it Ant Man or just the fact that the TWolves have now replaced the Clippers as the worst franchise in the history of the NBA

Wiggins efficiency is the same.

Google it.

Career .045 WS/48 now .061.

Lol he’s shooting a career high 40% from 3 on 5 attempts

That is one element of efficiency, yes.

But efficiency is concerned with more than just 3FG%.

And, Wiggins has done that at the starts of seasons before.

Let’s see how his Feb and March go before judging a trend as permanent.

[gorz]

His efficiency still needs work but if you watched him play last night the kid is oozing with talent.

[The411]

8th to last in PER (7.9) +1.2 +4 sports
6th to last in TS (45.2%) +1.6% +3 spots
Last in WS/48 (-0.084) +0.018 NC
Last in BPM (-8.2) +1.2 NC
Last in VORP (-0.7) NC NC

Added:
2nd to last in FG% (35.5%) +1% NC
4th to last in 3pt FG% (30.4%) +3% +13 spots
5th to last in 2pt FG% (39.0%) -0.2% -1 spot
Last in eFG% (41.7%) +1.7% +1 spot

[dc]

His efficiency still needs work but if you watched him play last night the kid is oozing with talent.

Yeah definitely. Those Euro steps he showed getting to the hoop indicate he has some level of feel for the game. Some stiff who is just an athlete isn't pulling those moves during a real NBA game.

[JonFromVA]

He had horrible efficiency in college and has horrible efficiency in NBA. IF you can't even perform better against inferior competition, you're just unable to score efficiently at the next level. Was a bust from the start.

Yeah and we know this because a player has never improved their offensive efficiency before. It is truly an impossible task and cannot be done. This is why drafting players is so easy because if they can shoot in college it translates to the NBA and if they can't then they will never learn how. There are no exceptions to this rule. Also I'm smarter than most NBA GMs.

/s

There are no examples of guys with horrible efficiency to become good in the NBA. There are examples of guys who had good efficiency who are busts, that's normal and unpredictable. However, if you can't even shoot 40% fg in college (Cole Anthony, Anthony Edwards), you really expect to do it against longer, more atheltic NBA defenders? Give me a break.

It's not about being inefficient in college, it's about being historically inefficient in college. Like literally in the 1st or 2nd percentile. Complete trash.

I'd say this is the crux of the (non-mental) argument against Edwards and the counter-argument to this could be that he was a victim of circumstances.

I mean, most college coaches do not hand out minutes to a high volume player that's playing inefficiently and losing games ... so, in most cases his minutes would have been cut down, perhaps he's brought in off the bench, and he plays another year or two at Georgia before going to the NBA.

But regardless of how he's been brought along, it's ultimately about what he eventually does at the NBA level and you know what? He's shown some flashes. No reason a TWolves fan shouldn't be patient with him.

[YourBuddy]

Wiggins efficiency is the same.

Google it.

Career .045 WS/48 now .061.

Lol he’s shooting a career high 40% from 3 on 5 attempts

That is one element of efficiency, yes.

But efficiency is concerned with more than just 3FG%.

And, Wiggins has done that at the starts of seasons before.

Let’s see how his Feb and March go before judging a trend as permanent.

Wiggins has had much longer stretches of just as good of shooting as he has right now this season. Problem is his percentage craters when he hits a drought.

[dc]

Yeah and we know this because a player has never improved their offensive efficiency before. It is truly an impossible task and cannot be done. This is why drafting players is so easy because if they can shoot in college it translates to the NBA and if they can't then they will never learn how. There are no exceptions to this rule. Also I'm smarter than most NBA GMs.

/s

There are no examples of guys with horrible efficiency to become good in the NBA. There are examples of guys who had good efficiency who are busts, that's normal and unpredictable. However, if you can't even shoot 40% fg in college (Cole Anthony, Anthony Edwards), you really expect to do it against longer, more atheltic NBA defenders? Give me a break.

It's not about being inefficient in college, it's about being historically inefficient in college. Like literally in the 1st or 2nd percentile. Complete trash.

Jalen Brown I think would be a decent example.

Shot 43%FG, 29% 3pt and 65% FT in his 1 year at Cal. The one thing he did well was get to the FT line (6.4 FTA a game)

I think that's why people were questioning if he was worth the #3 overall pick, as he wasn't all that impressive in college, but many said he had the type of game that would translate better in the pros.

[thinktank]

Lol he’s shooting a career high 40% from 3 on 5 attempts

That is one element of efficiency, yes.

But efficiency is concerned with more than just 3FG%.

And, Wiggins has done that at the starts of seasons before.

Let’s see how his Feb and March go before judging a trend as permanent.

Wiggins has had much longer stretches of just as good of shooting as he has right now this season. Problem is his percentage craters when he hits a drought.

Absolutely valid point.

[VanWest82]

It wasn't a good look when Givony and Schmidt were telling everyone who'd listen pre-draft that they didn't have Edwards in their top 5 due to character concerns and BBIQ. Not that those guys should be considered soothsayers or anything but it would seem the people most in the know kind of saw this coming.

[Quentin]

A lot of crow will be eaten in this thread. Last night showed how good this kid is going to be....despite having to overcome the Timberwolves organization. I was wowed.