Giannis just made a lot of these nba stars look pathetic

[MostValQuitter]

Bosh had zero points in game 7 of a finals. Holliday and Middleton can definitely match and surpass his his Miami production.

As much as I like holiday. Bosh was the better player

Love or Holliday?

Love when he came to Cavs was considered one of the top scoring big men in the league he maybe a joke now but he wasn't always. I'd say at worst it is even. Love was a tremendous rebounder and came to the cavs coming off averaging 26/13/5. He was also just 25.

Love at the time was probably viewed as a top 10 player at worst top 15. Jrue wasn't. So at best and mainly on the basis of his defense you could say it was a wash. Of course Lebron didn't just have Love he had Irving too

[Sprewell4Three]

I don’t like super teams that players to collude to build. Super teams that are built organically , I don’t have a problem with.

Didn't they trade for Holliday last off-season? What is the formula to determine whether or not a team is a super team?

Jrue Holliday is a good lil player , no where near the pedigree of a wade, kyrie and steph

[Tor_Raps]

Crazy how none of this happens if Durant's feet are a couple of shoe sizes smaller lol

[Lalouie]

When comparing Giannis' career so far to Lebron's initial stint in Cleveland the biggest difference I see is how so much more mature Giannis is compared to Lebron at the same stage. Lebron never showed commitment to Cleveland during his first run and acted with a sense of entitlement. Giannis on the other hand since he joined the NBA had to develop his game, prove himself and grow into the leadership role. Giannis is a much better leader than Lebron was at the same stage.

Or it's the fact that Giannis had a far better supporting cast

When the Cavs lost this game from LeBron you had to know it was never happening in Cleveland with that roster
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200905200CLE.html

That too. Lebron didn't have anyone as good as Middleton with him.

wade, bosh, allen, battier, love, kyrie, smith, korver, frye, miller, tt, jefferson,,,,,and of course davis, making last year's laker team the only team in a covid year with TWO of the top five players in the league. and you're whining about anyone being better than ONE player????? at miami lebron had a top10 3pt shooting team around him

and while lebron has shown to be scared of going to the ft line,,,GIANNIS SURE WASN'T WAS HE

[Bruin]

Yes. He did what Lebron & KD couldn't.

Giannis ring > Lebron & KD's rings.

Giannis is better than LeDone has ever been

See now there’s a point where you cross a line. You just did that

[prime1time]

KD couldn't beat the guy that 'doesn't deserve to be put in that conversation' even though he had another MVP level player next to him... Is your argument that KD needs Harden AND Kyrie just to beat the guy that 'doesn't deserve to be put in that conversation'? Is that what you're getting at?

How far does Giannis get if Holliday's not playing and Middleton is super hobbled?

I don't know what you're getting at... Yes, KD would beat Giannis if his super team was healthy... yes, 3 top 15 players will almost always beat a team with only 1 top 25 player. But let me ask you this: why do KD, Harden, and Kyrie feel like they need to play together? Their personalities and social media habits tell you a lot about the psychology of these guys and I'm not a fan. It's the equivalent of div-I guys beating an intramural team and then celebrating it. Congrats, I guess.

It's called pointing out the flaws in your argument. You said KD couldn't beat. Well the reality is that Giannis wasn't playing by himself. In game 5 Holliday had 27/13/4/3 with all NBA defense and Middleton had 29/7/5. You take that away and the Bucks don't make the finals. How good are Holliday and Middleton? Seems arbitrary to knock KD for playing with Harden and Kyrie and then act like Middleton and Holliday are trash. Where do you have Middleton and Holliday ranked? Can't be much further than 25 no?

[thelead]

Crazy how none of this happens if Durant's feet are a couple of shoe sizes smaller lol

That's the game of basketball... and why we all watch. Four bounces:

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[prime1time]

Or it's the fact that Giannis had a far better supporting cast

When the Cavs lost this game from LeBron you had to know it was never happening in Cleveland with that roster
https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200905200CLE.html

That too. Lebron didn't have anyone as good as Middleton with him.

wade, bosh, allen, battier, love, kyrie, smith, korver, frye, miller, tt, jefferson,,,,,and of course ad making last year's laker team the only team in a covid year with TWO of the top five players in the league. and you're whining about anyone being better than ONE player????? at miami lebron had a top10 3pt shooting team around him

and while lebron has shown to be scared of going to the ft line,,,GIANNIS SURE WASN'T WAS HE

They are talking about LBJ's first stint in Cleveland.

[Lalouie]

How far does Giannis get if Holliday's not playing and Middleton is super hobbled?

I don't know what you're getting at... Yes, KD would beat Giannis if his super team was healthy... yes, 3 top 15 players will almost always beat a team with only 1 top 25 player. But let me ask you this: why do KD, Harden, and Kyrie feel like they need to play together? Their personalities and social media habits tell you a lot about the psychology of these guys and I'm not a fan. It's the equivalent of div-I guys beating an intramural team and then celebrating it. Congrats, I guess.

It's called pointing out the flaws in your argument. You said KD couldn't beat. Well the reality is that Giannis wasn't playing by himself. In game 5 Holliday had 27/13/4/3 with all NBA defense and Middleton had 29/7/5. You take that away and the Bucks don't make the finals. How good are Holliday and Middleton? Seems arbitrary to knock KD for playing with Harden and Kyrie and then act like Middleton and Holliday are trash. Where do you have Middleton and Holliday ranked? Can't be much further than 25 no?

who cares. giannis doesn't. he's kissing his trophy right now as you argue

[Emhoward]

KD couldn't beat the guy that 'doesn't deserve to be put in that conversation' even though he had another MVP level player next to him... Is your argument that KD needs Harden AND Kyrie just to beat the guy that 'doesn't deserve to be put in that conversation'? Is that what you're getting at?

Jesus Christ, the is Giannis' night, Im doing my best not to pick apart his accomplishments but posts like these are making it hard...

Yes KD had an MVP level player beside him....on one leg.

and that 1 leg guy had 22/9/9/1/1. KD had enough help... and nearly won... but lost. Such is life.

Yes certainly MVP level numbers there.

[kianwe]

The only reason he won was that other stars got injured.

True, the only reason he won was because of reality. You buy broken stars, you pay consequences.

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[prime1time]

I don’t like super teams that players to collude to build. Super teams that are built organically , I don’t have a problem with.

Didn't they trade for Holliday last off-season? What is the formula to determine whether or not a team is a super team?

Jrue Holliday is a good lil player , no where near the pedigree of a wade, kyrie and steph

That's why I am asking. At what point do we say, ok he's a bad enough player so you can team up with him? Holliday is an all-NBA defender. Out of those 4 players - Wade/Curry/Kyrie/Holliday - he's clearly the best defender. How big is the gap when considering two-way ability and that we are not talking about prime Wade? Surely the gap isn't that large?

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Just a couple of years ago Holliday locked up Lillard in the playoffs. With this championship, Holliday is putting together a HOF career.

[kg01]

the only reason they're in the discussion is because they collude to play together.

This fact can't be ignored.

And it's so tired and lame to try and discredit the Bucks title. "Bwah, if the Nets woulda, blah, blah, blah .."

Well they didn't and that's all that matters until they do.

Congrats, Milwaukee.

I mean, Giannis literally just had the easiest path to an NBA championship that I can recall. If you want to praise Giannis and the Bucks for a hard-fought series and beating the Suns fine. But this isn't that thread. Read the title. "Giannis just made a lot of these nba stars look pathetic."

I could say he had the hardest path.

Why?

Because it's subjective and no one will care a month from now anyways.

[thelead]

How far does Giannis get if Holliday's not playing and Middleton is super hobbled?

I don't know what you're getting at... Yes, KD would beat Giannis if his super team was healthy... yes, 3 top 15 players will almost always beat a team with only 1 top 25 player. But let me ask you this: why do KD, Harden, and Kyrie feel like they need to play together? Their personalities and social media habits tell you a lot about the psychology of these guys and I'm not a fan. It's the equivalent of div-I guys beating an intramural team and then celebrating it. Congrats, I guess.

It's called pointing out the flaws in your argument. You said KD couldn't beat. Well the reality is that Giannis wasn't playing by himself. In game 5 Holliday had 27/13/4/3 with all NBA defense and Middleton had 29/7/5. You take that away and the Bucks don't make the finals. How good are Holliday and Middleton? Seems arbitrary to knock KD for playing with Harden and Kyrie and then act like Middleton and Holliday are trash. Where do you have Middleton and Holliday ranked? Can't be much further than 25 no?

Middleton and Jrue are not trash but they are no where near as reliable as Kyrie or Harden (when those guys actually play lol). Jrue is a top 40 player IMO because of his elite defense. His offense is not dependable at all. He shot 42/30/70 in the playoffs this year. Not terrible but certainly not top 25. Khris is closer to top 25 but I still don't have him in there. The bucks are a great team and Giannis' teammates are FAR from trash... AND the bucks wouldn't have beaten a healthy Nets team but the point is that Giannis didn't run to a team that had championship roster already constructed or played with another MVP level player.

Also, I didn't say KD 'couldn't beat' Giannis. The fact is 'he didn't beat' Giannis. We can play the what if game all day. Such as, what if the Bucks didn't F up the Bogdan deal?

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[Lalouie]

That too. Lebron didn't have anyone as good as Middleton with him.

wade, bosh, allen, battier, love, kyrie, smith, korver, frye, miller, tt, jefferson,,,,,and of course ad making last year's laker team the only team in a covid year with TWO of the top five players in the league. and you're whining about anyone being better than ONE player????? at miami lebron had a top10 3pt shooting team around him

and while lebron has shown to be scared of going to the ft line,,,GIANNIS SURE WASN'T WAS HE

They are talking about LBJ's first stint in Cleveland.

and mj had pippen, and kareem had oscar, and kobe had shaq......that's sports life

and none of that will be germane to what will be talked about for the next few days.
and that is GIANNIS STAYED. and lebron, kd, jh can't run away from this one.

[GYK]

what sucks about being Dirk or Giannis is that you don’t really have the fanbase you think. Your career is in reference of others. Your accomplishment is just anti someone else talking points.

You shouldn't put Giannis in Dirk's category. Dirk's Mavs won a championship against opponents who were at full strength.

Well I have no bias against either and already had Giannis on track to be better than Dirk all time, longevity in progress. He’s gonna be more important to his decade(20’s as a top 3-5 player) than Dirk was to his decade(10’s).
I also do care who they faced. You face who you face.
Only thing I hate for both is how being massively great is only a barb against someone else. As if they aren’t the protagonist of their own story.

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I don't know what you're getting at... Yes, KD would beat Giannis if his super team was healthy... yes, 3 top 15 players will almost always beat a team with only 1 top 25 player. But let me ask you this: why do KD, Harden, and Kyrie feel like they need to play together? Their personalities and social media habits tell you a lot about the psychology of these guys and I'm not a fan. It's the equivalent of div-I guys beating an intramural team and then celebrating it. Congrats, I guess.

It's called pointing out the flaws in your argument. You said KD couldn't beat. Well the reality is that Giannis wasn't playing by himself. In game 5 Holliday had 27/13/4/3 with all NBA defense and Middleton had 29/7/5. You take that away and the Bucks don't make the finals. How good are Holliday and Middleton? Seems arbitrary to knock KD for playing with Harden and Kyrie and then act like Middleton and Holliday are trash. Where do you have Middleton and Holliday ranked? Can't be much further than 25 no?

who cares. giannis doesn't. he's kissing his trophy right now as you argue

LOL, were you watching the finals ceremony? Giannis said it himself. They need to do it again next year and it's true. I don't know why people are even arguing. Their path to the finals was a joke. Even easier than the Raptors championship lol. Unlike the Raptors, however, they'll get a chance to validate their championship. If they can't they get put in the "more lucky than great" category of championship teams.

[thelead]

Jesus Christ, the is Giannis' night, Im doing my best not to pick apart his accomplishments but posts like these are making it hard...

Yes KD had an MVP level player beside him....on one leg.

and that 1 leg guy had 22/9/9/1/1. KD had enough help... and nearly won... but lost. Such is life.

Yes certainly MVP level numbers there.

He had 30/6/5/1/1 in his elimination game the year before. For someone who doesn't play much defense, that's not really all that impressive either.

[Lalouie]

It's called pointing out the flaws in your argument. You said KD couldn't beat. Well the reality is that Giannis wasn't playing by himself. In game 5 Holliday had 27/13/4/3 with all NBA defense and Middleton had 29/7/5. You take that away and the Bucks don't make the finals. How good are Holliday and Middleton? Seems arbitrary to knock KD for playing with Harden and Kyrie and then act like Middleton and Holliday are trash. Where do you have Middleton and Holliday ranked? Can't be much further than 25 no?

who cares. giannis doesn't. he's kissing his trophy right now as you argue

LOL, were you watching the finals ceremony? Giannis said it himself. They need to do it again next year and it's true. I don't know why people are even arguing. Their path to the finals was a joke. Even easier than the Raptors championship lol. Unlike the Raptors, however, they'll get a chance to validate their championship. If they can't they get put in the "more lucky than great" category of championship teams.

that's giannis being a competitor, and that's you whining