Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.

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[turnmeup88]

Manu's achievements with Virtus Bologna and Argentina would be too much to ignore even if he played for a **** team. I think he would also manage to get a couple all-stars appearances.


Parker has no business being mentioned in these kind of hypotheticals

This is 100% accurate.

Parker is irrelevant without Duncan, Pop & Spurs.

Yeah because he definitely didn't show his worth on the national team.

It's impossible to call International players irrelevant when they had the other platform to showcase that they have the abilities to play in a different context.

[turnmeup88]

The hell? By his second season he was an above average nba player. He was maybe the fastest player in the league period and you think you can find that talent at the Y? he was a below average defender, he wasn't horrible.

If he's on any team other than the Spurs with Pop and Duncan, he'd be relegated to bench mins, and be irrelevant in the current context of the NBA history.

A guy drafted in the first round of the draft at 19 years old who in his second year is already an impact player would be on the bench...meanwhile Duncan and Pop didn't have this same effect on anyone else...even had a guy like Jefferson drop off a cliff when he joined the spurs....

And one of the greatest coaches of all time, in a championship contending team, decides to make him a starter after 5 games...
But that's also because he had no talent or skill and they just decided randomly to take him and put him at starter because that sounds like a fun project to have.

[AMW27]

I could make a very strong argument that Jordan would've never won a ring without Phil Jackson, Jackson's implementation of the triangle offense, Jackson encouraging Jordan to be less selfish, and Jackson's empowerment of Scottie Pippen by making him the proverbial PG.

If the greatest player ever needed a system to succeed, who are we to judge Ginobli and Parker?

Jordan would have been a first ballot hall of famer even without Phil Jackson. I believe he also would have won even if Phil never showed up. Regardless of what Impact he had as a coach, he took over as the head coach at the right time.

I'm not knocking Parker and Ginobili because they played their whole careers on a championship contender. I just question if they would have been a for sure lock if they played their whole careers on teams that never won anything. I'm not sure.

They're part of the reason the Spurs won as much as they did though, Ginobili was huge in the 05 finals and Parker destroyed the Cavs in 07 while also being the best player on the team in 13/14 or at least on par with Duncan.

I still don't believe that alone proves they are an automatic lock for the hall elsewhere.

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Jordan would have been a first ballot hall of famer even without Phil Jackson. I believe he also would have won even if Phil never showed up. Regardless of what Impact he had as a coach, he took over as the head coach at the right time.

I'm not knocking Parker and Ginobili because they played their whole careers on a championship contender. I just question if they would have been a for sure lock if they played their whole careers on teams that never won anything. I'm not sure.

They're part of the reason the Spurs won as much as they did though, Ginobili was huge in the 05 finals and Parker destroyed the Cavs in 07 while also being the best player on the team in 13/14 or at least on par with Duncan.

I still don't believe that alone proves they are an automatic lock for the hall elsewhere.

These guys were so good that while Duncan was still in his prime, Pop completely changed the offense to run through them instead of Duncan. Think about that.