Chuck's Definitive List of NBA Champions Not Requiring Asterisk

[Texas Chuck]

I guess we found Chuck's burner account.

I'm genuinely flattered that you think I'm capable of communicating as intelligently and as eloquently as that, but sadly I cannot.

Appreciate the kind words though even as you remain an asterisk truther.

[Texas Chuck]

2020 should have an asterisk.

Easy denial. Lakers faced the same situation in Orlando as all of their competitors. And if anything without travel and distractions from family/household obligations you could argue this was one of the purer competitions. No HCA even. Just my guys and your guys on a neutral court.

* Denied

[Texas Chuck]

It's Chuck's thread, so he's the judge and jury (and evidently court of appeals),

I would have preferred a committee of more than one honestly, but didn't know who all I could trust. Some of these agenda guys are pretty sneaky and look objective, but then have that one team or player they or love so much that an * might slip past that shouldn't.

Plus for something of this magnitude of historical importance on a global scale we really need unanimous results. Which I can provide.

[Wallace_Wallace]

2006 deserves the biggest asterisk possible. There’s no debate

This would be my vote as well. I was watching those finals, there's no way they're not calling fouls every other time Wade shoots. It's not even amazing shot making abilities ala Kobe/Dirk/KD/LeBron, it's averaging 16 FTs a game that kind of disgusts me.

[JN61]

2011 needs asterisk. The biggest meltdown by NBA superstar in the league history.

The asterisk signifies that an accomplishment is tainted, a player on the opposing team playing poorly doesn't taint anything though, so how would that even work? What's the argument for it being tainted? Did the Mavs spike Lebron's food and drink? Then yes, tainted. Did Lebron meltdown on his own? That's just sports. Maybe you have some inside info though, that could change things

I was being sarcastic due to OPs aligment.

[Texas Chuck]

2011 needs asterisk. The biggest meltdown by NBA superstar in the league history.

The asterisk signifies that an accomplishment is tainted, a player on the opposing team playing poorly doesn't taint anything though, so how would that even work? What's the argument for it being tainted? Did the Mavs spike Lebron's food and drink? Then yes, tainted. Did Lebron meltdown on his own? That's just sports. Maybe you have some inside info though, that could change things

I was being sarcastic due to OPs aligment.

I am impervious to your attempts to appeal to my partisan nature. I have been fighting the 06 * longer and harder than any of them. When the other team beats you, you tip your cap and hope you get a chance to run it back. 5 years later they did.

Do the Mavs have a championship in 2011 if Lebron plays to typical Lebron Finals level? Of course not. Did the Mavs have something to do with how he played? Obviously different people have different takes, but I think we have enough evidence over the 8 meetings that year plus a look at the Mavs personnel to suggest they played a role in that. OTOH, you don't stop a player they great, some of that was obviously an issue with Lebron himself.

Doesn't matter though. Did the Mavs win enough games to qualify for the playoffs? Yep. Did they beat Portland? Yep. Did they beat LA? Oh hell yeah they did. Did they beat OKC? Yep. Did they finish off Lebron and that coward DWade and the rest of the Heat? Yep.

So champions. This isn't rocket science. But 94 and 95 were Rocket science and thus no * there either.

[QingJames]

2020 should have an asterisk.

Easy denial. Lakers faced the same situation in Orlando as all of their competitors. And if anything without travel and distractions from family/household obligations you could argue this was one of the purer competitions. No HCA even. Just my guys and your guys on a neutral court.

* Denied

I do think, with regards to the bubble, it is often overlooked about how some players were able to spend their time between the suspension of the season and the start of the bubble vis-a-vis other players. Lebron, for instance, being an established star was able to use his home gym and home basketball courts to stay ready and fresh. An unestablished and “poorer” star like Siakam had to stay confined to his condo and was unable to pick up a ball for 4 months. Ditto for Middleton. That disparity showed VERY clearly on the court, but people handwave that away. At the very least it’s BS that the bubble was a level playing field because of that background context.

[Texas Chuck]

2020 should have an asterisk.

Easy denial. Lakers faced the same situation in Orlando as all of their competitors. And if anything without travel and distractions from family/household obligations you could argue this was one of the purer competitions. No HCA even. Just my guys and your guys on a neutral court.

* Denied

I do think, with regards to the bubble, it is often overlooked about how some players were able to spend their time between the suspension of the season and the start of the bubble vis-a-vis other players. Lebron, for instance, being an established star was able to use his home gym and home basketball courts to stay ready and fresh. An unestablished and “poorer” star like Siakam had to stay confined to his condo and was unable to pick up a ball for 4 months. Ditto for Middleton. That disparity showed VERY clearly on the court, but people handwave that away. At the very least it’s BS that the bubble was a level playing field because of that background context.

Siakam and Middleton aren't too poor to have had access to a basketball court. They have made different choices as to their living situation, but I'm not holding that against Lebron. That would be of course asinine.

[twyzted]

2020 should have an asterisk.

Easy denial. Lakers faced the same situation in Orlando as all of their competitors. And if anything without travel and distractions from family/household obligations you could argue this was one of the purer competitions. No HCA even. Just my guys and your guys on a neutral court.

* Denied

Hahaha im also in the opinion that there are no asterisks. I just couldnt let the opportunity to post that image pass by me.

[og15]

2020 should have an asterisk.

Easy denial. Lakers faced the same situation in Orlando as all of their competitors. And if anything without travel and distractions from family/household obligations you could argue this was one of the purer competitions. No HCA even. Just my guys and your guys on a neutral court.

* Denied

I do think, with regards to the bubble, it is often overlooked about how some players were able to spend their time between the suspension of the season and the start of the bubble vis-a-vis other players. Lebron, for instance, being an established star was able to use his home gym and home basketball courts to stay ready and fresh. An unestablished and “poorer” star like Siakam had to stay confined to his condo and was unable to pick up a ball for 4 months. Ditto for Middleton. That disparity showed VERY clearly on the court, but people handwave that away. At the very least it’s BS that the bubble was a level playing field because of that background context.

I don't know man, compared to these guys, I'm "poor", my office was down to 1 day a week for just emergency patients for the first two months, we went up to two days a week around July, then didn't get back to 4 days a week until around September or so. Since I couldn't go to the gym or use the public courts anymore, I bought a basketball hoop and a ball return system in the beginning of April. So my poor self was able to figure out a way to get shots up and work on my game, I'm not really going to give excuses for millionaires for not finding a way if they REALLY wanted to find a way.

[art_tatum]

I wouldnt be surprised if there turned out to be some shady things that happened in a previous, Especially older championship. Mostly regarding refs and bets/mob influence, but maybe sometimes players.

But only things that should deserve the * is cheating like the houston astros, or outside influence via refs.

[Wammy Giveaway]

Personally, I would love to apply my asterisks philosophy for Herculean series-altering efforts, but this is Texas Chuck's list, and I'm not touching it any further. What I've seen so far is that people are willing to discredit another team's championships to make them feel better about their own team, to keep their pride going. The fear is, if the losing team admits their defeat fair and square, it would make them look weak and other teams will now ridicule, embarass, humiliate and otherwise torture their team to the point that they are easily beatable. They'll miss the playoffs every year and be a joke, or worse, a relocation or contraction candidate. That's when we start asterisking.

How do you answer to your losses: you accept responsibility and the consequences to your actions, serve your punishments, work on your weaknesses, remove distractions that could otherwise derail your chances at a title - even if it means trading or firing someone who meant so much to your franchise - and start taking competition seriously. Win those games, defeat your opponents, and always look to improve. It's not just doing the little things that are important, it's doing the good things as well. I have a saying: "Good things beget good karma."

There is no such thing as an asterisks in championships, only risk.

[Lunartic]

I guess we found Chuck's burner account.

Okay, I guess you prefer a condescending tone to have this discussion instead of a neutral, respectful one. Let it be known I wasn't the one who picked it, but I'll oblige.

My goodness, it's called a joke, my little Salieri. I don't think I'll derive too much pleasure from engaging with you. Lighten up.

[Lunartic]

I guess we found Chuck's burner account.

I'm genuinely flattered that you think I'm capable of communicating as intelligently and as eloquently as that, but sadly I cannot.

Appreciate the kind words though even as you remain an asterisk truther.

What you call "eloquent", actual intelligent folks call ridiculously verbose and pedantic with zero sense of humor.

*Asterisk* truthers will get their day in the sun and you'll be begging for us to accept you. In the meantime, I'm ASS-terisking every single championship won except for the 2019 Raptors and 2011 Bulls semi-conference title.

[Salieri]

I guess we found Chuck's burner account.

Okay, I guess you prefer a condescending tone to have this discussion instead of a neutral, respectful one. Let it be known I wasn't the one who picked it, but I'll oblige.

My goodness, it's called a joke, my little Salieri. I don't think I'll derive too much pleasure from engaging with you. Lighten up.

Let's start with clarifying something: I didn't find that comment offensive, I can only wish I was as good a poster as Chuck. I used that as a quote because I wanted to quote your entire post and not snip anything, so you keep being the only one who ignores what he can't refute. Case in point, you ignored my entire post and focused a petty comeback. That's a pretty clear admission of defeat, and I'm glad we're both on the same page.

But you need to understand something, my friend: there is a difference between posting something that'll make you laugh with me (joking) and posting something that'll make you laugh at me (mocking). I won't delve into what makes you giddy or how much of a class act you are if you find mocking funnier than joking. Let's just say I didn't feel offended but I saw your intentions and I wasn't too pleased. That should be understandable by a reasonable person.

Now go on, keep derailing the thread because you have no counter to the points made. Facts are facts, and every single NBA champion having won that year's title in a complete playoff run remains a FACT, thus they are all champions. You can keep calling them flukers, or asterisked champs, or scotch taped scrotal sacks if you want. They are still champs.

[SNPA]

Quick little reminder….

*2002

[bisme37]

I'm currently making a list of RGM posters who require an asterisk haha.

[Rodwilliams]

I guess we found Chuck's burner account.

I'm genuinely flattered that you think I'm capable of communicating as intelligently and as eloquently as that, but sadly I cannot.

Appreciate the kind words though even as you remain an asterisk truther.

What you call "eloquent", actual intelligent folks call ridiculously verbose and pedantic with zero sense of humor.

*Asterisk* truthers will get their day in the sun and you'll be begging for us to accept you. In the meantime, I'm ASS-terisking every single championship won except for the 2019 Raptors and 2011 Bulls semi-conference title.

Yea that’s definitely his burner account. He called that garbage eloquent and intelligent.

Chuck has already been defeated numerous times on this thread by multiple people and if you notice when he loses the battles he just deflects and changes the subject. He just says “denied” or “you hate this team so I can’t take you “serious”. He hasn’t really offered much substance. I guess he saw he was losing pretty bad on this thread so he decided to log into his burner account to try and make things look better cause he got destroyed on this thread.

[ItsDanger]

There was a good multi part documentary for Kings 2002 fraud on YT previously. Deleted now. Hmmmm.

[packforfreedom]

kobe was usually good, but against the 2004 pistons he was not good.

i feel like it would be a more faithful retelling of history to say he was good against the pistons, on account of the fact that he was usually good.

i suggest the 2004 pistons get an asterisk.

Damn. Damn. I really don't want to hand out an asterisk to the 04 Pistons, but that case is nearly airtight. Kobe normally good, not good here, and lots of people really love Kobe and we had a huge Kobe fan just handing out asterisks left and right earlier this week so this would totally please him.

Yep, gonna have to allow this one.

2004 Detroit Pistons*

since 2004 is the only approved asterisk, can we add another asterisk on top of the first one? Sam Cassell doing the 'big balls dance' against the Kings, injuring his hip and effectively ending the most promising season for us, since we'd probably would've beaten the Lakers. This 'what if' is the only thing we have. Please don't take it from us.