Celtics are interested in Ben Simmons [Shams]

[Slacktard]

Celtics only interest in Simmons would be to "add" him to Tatum and Brown. Personally I am not a fan of Ben Simmons at all.

As long as Brown and Tatum both think they are the alpha the team will not function. You need a player to be willing to step-back and concede. Tatum will put up as many shots each night as it takes to try to catch Brown's point totals. That's not a winning strategy.

I'm not saying Brown for Simmons is the solution, but I do think Boston will need to split them up.

Brown and Tatum went to 2 ECF in 3 years. This notion that they can't win together is just made up Fake News. Celtics need a better supporting cast that shoots better than 33%

And Kobe/Shaq won championships together until the alpha ego's clashed and they couldn't resolve it. When you have two players who each think they are the best player on the team it is not going to work out unless one of them is willing to concede to the other or you split them up. What you're seeing *THIS YEAR* is just the baby steps of what is going to be a massive blow-up at some point in the future. Sooner likely rather than later. Especially if the team struggles continue.

[Celts17Pride]

As long as Brown and Tatum both think they are the alpha the team will not function. You need a player to be willing to step-back and concede. Tatum will put up as many shots each night as it takes to try to catch Brown's point totals. That's not a winning strategy.

I'm not saying Brown for Simmons is the solution, but I do think Boston will need to split them up.

Brown and Tatum went to 2 ECF in 3 years. This notion that they can't win together is just made up Fake News. Celtics need a better supporting cast that shoots better than 33%

And Kobe/Shaq won championships together until the alpha ego's clashed and they couldn't resolve it. When you have two players who each think they are the best player on the team it is not going to work out unless one of them is willing to concede to the other or you split them up. What you're seeing *THIS YEAR* is just the baby steps of what is going to be a massive blow-up at some point in the future. Sooner likely rather than later. Especially if the team struggles continue.

Cool story. Have fun with it.

[FrodoFraggins]

Jaylen Brown shoots better than Simmons but Simmons is worlds apart in defense, passing and basketball IQ in general. I don't know why people think a potential Jaylen for Simmons swap is so outrageous.

It’s mostly that Celtics fans value Brown more than Simmons. They’re not that far apart in value in my opinion. But Simmons not playing in games so far this season is hurting his value.

You can't win it all with Simmons as your PG. Even Doc admitted that. Won't shoot threes and became afraid to get fouled. Simmons never showed the desire to address his weakness and never will. I'd never trade Brown for Simmons without proof he can change.

[FrodoFraggins]

Jaylen Brown shoots better than Simmons but Simmons is worlds apart in defense, passing and basketball IQ in general. I don't know why people think a potential Jaylen for Simmons swap is so outrageous.

It’s mostly that Celtics fans value Brown more than Simmons. They’re not that far apart in value in my opinion. But Simmons not playing in games so far this season is hurting his value.

You can't win it all with Simmons as your PG. Even Doc admitted that. Won't shoot threes and became afraid to get fouled. Simmons never showed the desire to address his weakness and never will. I'd never trade Brown for Simmons without proof he can change.

[VDT]

Celtics "issues" have less to do with Tatum/Brown and more to do with Smart/Schroder

Disagree. The issue is that by themselves they are not a good fit as they cant create for others and they are not really superstar level players anyway. The Celtics would need a third star to run the offense in order to go anywhere and requiring a third star for the team to work is pretty limiting in terms of roster building, as its almost impossible to have 3 stars on the team.
Wing duos work only when they have playmaking abilities, Pippen-Jordan, Lebron-Wade etc. A bad record and the lack of any progress over the last years is also likely to further poison the team chemistry. I wouldnt be surprised if there is some kind of feud between Brown and Tatum over who the guy is.
It is not inconceivable that the Celtics are thinking of breaking the duo instead of hoping to get a third (super)star to actually lead the team and run the offense. Is Simmons the guy they would trade Brown for? Likely not but stranger things have happened and as i said we dont know what's going behind the scenes.

Brown and Tatum seemed to fit pretty well when they went to 2 ECF in 3 years. Made up story.

Yea made up story. The Celtics went to the ECF in 2017 when the East was extremely weak, the next year they got swept by the Bucks in the second round, they went to the ECF in the bubble facing the Heat (!!) in the ECF (basically the bubble was full of surprises and outlier performances), they were bad last year and they are bad now.

Even more importantly, they Celtics used to have all star-ish PGs, who had their issues but were much better than what they have now. Last year,when Kemba was bad the Celtics were also bad, this year without an all star pg they are also bad. But yea, Brown/Tatum as your star duo are not the problem.

[Celts17Pride]

Even more importantly, they Celtics used to have all star-ish PGs, who had their issues but were much better than what they have now.

That isn't an issue? Isn't this what I've been saying? Celtics have two PGs (Smart/Schroder) that shoot 33%

[HoopsterJones]

Jaylen Brown shoots better than Simmons but Simmons is worlds apart in defense, passing and basketball IQ in general. I don't know why people think a potential Jaylen for Simmons swap is so outrageous.

It’s mostly that Celtics fans value Brown more than Simmons. They’re not that far apart in value in my opinion. But Simmons not playing in games so far this season is hurting his value.

You can't win it all with Simmons as your PG. Even Doc admitted that. Won't shoot threes and became afraid to get fouled. Simmons never showed the desire to address his weakness and never will. I'd never trade Brown for Simmons without proof he can change.

Sixers are a contender this season, even without Simmons. I think it’s hyperbole to say you can’t win it all with Ben Simmons as your PG. He does play at a high level at every other aspect other than 3 point shooting and FTs of course.

[Statlanta]

Boston should go the way of NY, Chicago and Washington and retool in the off-season. Ben Simmons sounds like a quick fix for this season vs. an overall plan to build around whoever wants to stay in Boston

[Wilfried]

Celtics "issues" have less to do with Tatum/Brown and more to do with Smart/Schroder

Disagree. The issue is that by themselves they are not a good fit as they cant create for others and they are not really superstar level players anyway. The Celtics would need a third star to run the offense in order to go anywhere and requiring a third star for the team to work is pretty limiting in terms of roster building, as its almost impossible to have 3 stars on the team.

Brown and Tatum seemed to fit pretty well when they went to 2 ECF in 3 years. Made up story.

Not entirely maybe, because those team did have a decent creator/pg.
Smart nor Schröder are on that level. And Brown nor Tatum are creators. They are a nice duo, but not sure if those two are the cornerstones of a contender.

Their record from last season and this season start, seem to give an indication they are not. And it's not that those 2 aren't experienced by now.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Celtics only interest in Simmons would be to "add" him to Tatum and Brown. Personally I am not a fan of Ben Simmons at all.

As long as Brown and Tatum both think they are the alpha the team will not function. You need a player to be willing to step-back and concede. Tatum will put up as many shots each night as it takes to try to catch Brown's point totals. That's not a winning strategy.

I'm not saying Brown for Simmons is the solution, but I do think Boston will need to split them up.

That's the only rationale that makes sense to me, talent wise I wouldn't break them up but from the outside there does seems to be some friction. Personally I thought the Smart, Langford etc trade proposed earlier made most sense if I was a C's fan

from the inside there is none, never has been

[VDT]

Even more importantly, they Celtics used to have all star-ish PGs, who had their issues but were much better than what they have now.

That isn't an issue? Isn't this what I've been saying? Celtics have two PGs (Smart/Schroder) that shoot 33%

It's very unlikely for a team to have three stars, pimarily due to the limited cap space. If that's the only way the Celtics can become relevant (not even win, mind you) that is an issue by itself and is why the Celtics should try to split the pair.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Although I don't think it's a true story.
Horford, Smart and Langford with a pick and a swap could get it done. They could release Horford, as they don't really need him and they likely won't pick up his option.

I don't think Jaylen or Jayson are being traded in any scenario for Ben.

yes, and later the sixers would trade Horford to OKC, just to close the cycle

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[Ryoga Hibiki]

I'm not necessarily against Boston going after Simmons, but if they were to trade Brown for him, that would go down as the worst trade in the history of all major sports.

The Celtics themselves have already been involved in multiple trades far worse than that would be lol.

Not in my lifetime, as far as I can remember

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[Celts17Pride]

Even more importantly, they Celtics used to have all star-ish PGs, who had their issues but were much better than what they have now.

That isn't an issue? Isn't this what I've been saying? Celtics have two PGs (Smart/Schroder) that shoot 33%

It's very unlikely for a team to have three stars, pimarily due to the limited cap space. If that's the only way the Celtics can become relevant (not even win, mind you) that is an issue by itself and is why the Celtics should try to split the pair.

Honestly that makes no sense. Celtics don't have a good supporting cast so split up the two all-stars. Not seeing the logic there.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm not necessarily against Boston going after Simmons, but if they were to trade Brown for him, that would go down as the worst trade in the history of all major sports.

The Celtics themselves have already been involved in multiple trades far worse than that would be lol.

Not in my lifetime, as far as I can remember

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you have no objectivity on Simmons though. I'm talking about objective trades. Like to make it easy for everyone, start with the trade that led directly to Brown being a Celtic. That one was much worse than this one would be.

[VanWest82]

Nice try, Daryl.

Edit: I especially liked the part where he used Shams for this to make people question whether it might've come from a player.

[Wilfried]

Jaylen Brown shoots better than Simmons but Simmons is worlds apart in defense, passing and basketball IQ in general. I don't know why people think a potential Jaylen for Simmons swap is so outrageous.

It’s mostly that Celtics fans value Brown more than Simmons. They’re not that far apart in value in my opinion. But Simmons not playing in games so far this season is hurting his value.

You can't win it all with Simmons as your PG. Even Doc admitted that.

Yeah, but don't Celtics fans think Doc is the worst coach ... so what does his opinion actually means

And to be fair, he answered: 'I don't know the answer to that question'

[Slacktard]

The Celtics themselves have already been involved in multiple trades far worse than that would be lol.

Not in my lifetime, as far as I can remember

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you have no objectivity on Simmons though. I'm talking about objective trades. Like to make it easy for everyone, start with the trade that led directly to Brown being a Celtic. That one was much worse than this one would be.

To be fair that trade happened in the summer of 2013. The poster said in their lifetime as far as I can remember. They may not remember all the way back to 2013 or even have been born so long ago

[celtics543]

Jaylen Brown shoots better than Simmons but Simmons is worlds apart in defense, passing and basketball IQ in general. I don't know why people think a potential Jaylen for Simmons swap is so outrageous.

It’s mostly that Celtics fans value Brown more than Simmons. They’re not that far apart in value in my opinion. But Simmons not playing in games so far this season is hurting his value.

You can't win it all with Simmons as your PG. Even Doc admitted that. Won't shoot threes and became afraid to get fouled. Simmons never showed the desire to address his weakness and never will. I'd never trade Brown for Simmons without proof he can change.

I don't want to trade Brown for Simmons but Doc did win a title with Rondo as his point guard. Rondo couldn't shoot and didn't want to get fouled. Ben is basically 6'9" Rondo.

[Kalela]

Simmons for Brown is not actually as bad people are making it out to be if Simmons is actually willing to play for the Celtics. Dealing with Rich Paul and Klutch Sports is a headache Boston probably doesn't want to have.