a8bil wrote:Actually, you must not have read my post closely. I mentioned that by the end of his career (2012 - 2020), Korver was shooting 70% (not 90% as you claim) of his shots from 3 point range, but from 2006 to 2012, the core of his career, he was shooting about 40%, just like Towns.AbeVigodaLive wrote:a8bil wrote: Okay, I exaggerated but only to make a point. In the last 3 years, KAT's offense has increasingly moved to the perimeter...40% of his shots come from 3 pt range, and 90% of those are assisted, i.e., he's a catch and shoot 3 pt shooter. A good one, but so was Korver. KAT doesn't have good handles. By the end of his career, Korver was over 70% catch and shoot from 3 pt, but in the core of his career (2006-2012) he was just over 40%...same as KAT has been doing for 3 years. In the paint, KAT is only a .71% scorer, KK is .61. Bottom line is, they're more similar than you think and one thing they both have in common is their defense, which is meh.
Solid NBA players that have played with KAT:
Rubio
Wiggins
Lavine
Dieng
Dunn
Teague
Rose
Butler
Covington
Saric
Beasley
Russell (tho I'm not a fan of his, at all)
Edwards
Granted, there are "stories" around some of these guys, and front office incompetence has played a large role, but the bottom line for me is that KAT is not anything more than a complimentary player. They continue to try to build around him as if he's a number 1, which I think is and has been a mistake. Min has a keeper in Edwards. They should do everything they can to build around him ...including trading KAT if that will get them better 2 way players.
Meh. Who from this group is the 2nd best player? (obviously Butler is the only clear #1 or even #2 guy)... and Towns played a whopping 68 games with him. Other guys were starters in MN but failed to get much run elsewhere.
Rubio... Rubio had a negative VORP last year. Shot 37.4%, 38.8% and 40.2% three seasons with Towns.
Wiggins... Wiggins was considered the 2nd best player on the team for multiple seasons. 2nd best!!!
Lavine... Lavine was a young player who tore up his knee in his only slightly above average season in MN. He was nothing like the guy today.
Dieng... Dieng played in 498 games and started 204 in MN. He's played in 67 games and started 1 game since.
Dunn... dude. No.
Teague... left Minnesota and has started 18 games since.
Rose... Solid. But... bench player. Only played 51 games.
Butler... Yep. Good player. Wolves won 47 games even though Butler missed 24 games.
Covington... played in only 70 games over 2 seasons in MN.
Saric... bench player
Beasley... bench player in Denver. Back to bench player.
Russell... Is this Towns' 2nd best teammate after Butler
Edwards...Is this Towns' 2nd best teammate after Butler?
It's fine to rip Towns. He deserves it for many reasons. But doing so by saying he played with good players for years is such a misguided take.
[Note: You compare Towns to Korver because he shoots 40% of his shots behind the arc... but neglect to mention Korver took up to 80% of his shots behind the arc... ]
You pick and choose facts regarding these players, but it doesn't change the fact that they are all "solid" NBA players, and a couple are legit superstars...perhaps not at Min, but the question is, why? And why did some want out? A team built around a soft, no defense perimeter shooting center is a good place to start. When he put his future at Min contingent on getting rid of Butler, it was everything any fan needs to know. Butler has the drive to be a champion...Towns has the drive to collect a paycheck.
OK. I'll take the bait. But only because I think you posting inaccurate stats is some satirical bit of genius.
- I wrote "80%"... not "90%"... but maybe you were "exaggerating to make a point" again. LOL.
- And, who considers 2006 - 2012 the "core" of Korver's career? Korver started 10 (TEN!) games between 2007 and 2012. He started 308 games between 2013 and 2017 and played up to 15 more minutes per game. But again... apologies because I'm the one picking inaccurate stats to fit MY agenda.
LOL.
[Note: We agree that Towns isn't a legit superstar. Again, there are about 2,375 reasons to rip him. Comparing him to Kyle Korver or touting his former players as being good, however, are both supremely goofy takes.]
