2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 3)

[BlazersBroncos]

Dont want to beat a dead horse, but OKC really messed up trading Sengun. They sorely lack a big to run the PNR w/ Josh (Its actually wild how well Giddey iss playing when his best trait, PNR initiating, is so limited by the OKC bigs).

Giddey and Sengun would be a terror in the PNR. Just such a miss for Presti.

[Stickmann]

Raptors fan wilding thinking barnes and Mobley remotely on the same tier. As on par for them. Mobley is 10 times the defender and has a much better touch and skill around the rim.

[srhcan]

Some Raptors fans are over rating Barnes. Barnes is not miles better than Giddey. We can make a case that currently Barnes is better than Giddey (although in some NBA ranking site Giddey is already ahead of Barnes). But we can project that Giddey's numbers will go up while Barnes numbers will either remain the same or go down. Pascal has come back and OG is coming back so Fred cannot give ball to Barnes a rookie ahead of Pascal and OG. Then Trent and Fred needs their own shots too. So not much left for Barnes. Giddey on the other hand will continue to have lot of opportunities to pad up his numbers.

[QingJames]

Raptors fan wilding thinking barnes and Mobley remotely on the same tier. As on par for them. Mobley is 10 times the defender and has a much better touch and skill around the rim.

He’s a better defender for sure. Not 10 times. Maybe 5 times right now.

Laughable to think Mobley has better touch and skill around the rim though. Barnes has been the best scorer and post player by far of all the rookies.

[JonFromVA]

Mobley may return Saturday .vs. Orlando (2 weeks)

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[srhcan]

Mobley may return Saturday .vs. Orlando (2 weeks)

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I hope they are not rushing his return just because the team is losing more without him. He is a special talent along with Cade from this draft, probably down the road they will be recognized as the best 2 players from this draft

[Tor_Raps]

Barnes went 17/9/3 tonight

He was good too

Giddey isn't even close to Barnes and that's not even me being a homer here. Giddey's TS% is .452 while being a horrible defender lol. Playmaking is legit though.

So horrible he's what, 2nd for rookies for steals, 3rd in blocks and like 3rd in boards and 2nd in oreb's?

Or are you saying he's a terrible defender because he looks like a goofy white kid? He's a tough baller and putting out more defensive numbers than almost anyone but Mobley.

Nope, going off the very little I've seen of him and what the few OKC fans here have said about him.

And don't worry, I'm not a fan of Greens defense either and he's a high flying black guy lol.

[Stickmann]

Raptors fan wilding thinking barnes and Mobley remotely on the same tier. As on par for them. Mobley is 10 times the defender and has a much better touch and skill around the rim.

He’s a better defender for sure. Not 10 times. Maybe 5 times right now.

Laughable to think Mobley has better touch and skill around the rim though. Barnes has been the best scorer and post player by far of all the rookies.

Hahahaha. Mobley scores more points on better efficiency. Mobley stats when on tightly contested shots is like 70 percent. Barnes is at 47. “Best scorer by far” see this is what I’m talking about. Raptors fans keep saying delusional ****

[Stickmann]

Raptors fan wilding thinking barnes and Mobley remotely on the same tier. As on par for them. Mobley is 10 times the defender and has a much better touch and skill around the rim.

He’s a better defender for sure. Not 10 times. Maybe 5 times right now.

Laughable to think Mobley has better touch and skill around the rim though. Barnes has been the best scorer and post player by far of all the rookies.

Mobley averaging 1.11 ppp in post up situations. Barnes. .76. “Laughable” hahahahah come on now son

[Vampirate]

Raptors fan wilding thinking barnes and Mobley remotely on the same tier. As on par for them. Mobley is 10 times the defender and has a much better touch and skill around the rim.

He’s a better defender for sure. Not 10 times. Maybe 5 times right now.

Laughable to think Mobley has better touch and skill around the rim though. Barnes has been the best scorer and post player by far of all the rookies.

Hahahaha. Mobley scores more points on better efficiency. Mobley stats when on tightly contested shots is like 70 percent. Barnes is at 47. “Best scorer by far” see this is what I’m talking about. Raptors fans keep saying delusional ****

I'll say this.

Mobley has been better and it's mostly due to his defense.

It's difficult to tell who's going to be the better scorer going forwards. Right now overall Mobley as Barnes has cooled off a bit has the edge but keep in mind their careers are in a small sample size. It wasn't too long ago when Barnes was scoring 18+ points on 14 shots having a 56% FG.

At the moment conventional wisdom says Mobley should be the better scorer but since they are rookies, I could easily see Mobley have a rough stretch and Barnes pick it back up, just like I can see the reverse.

Using 15-20 games as a sample size leaves too much to variance.

[niQ]

Dont want to beat a dead horse, but OKC really messed up trading Sengun. They sorely lack a big to run the PNR w/ Josh (Its actually wild how well Giddey iss playing when his best trait, PNR initiating, is so limited by the OKC bigs).

Giddey and Sengun would be a terror in the PNR. Just such a miss for Presti.

Yea, it didn't make sense to me at the time, and now it just seems like Sengun would've been a really nice piece for OKC.

[JonFromVA]

Mobley may return Saturday .vs. Orlando (2 weeks)

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I hope they are not rushing his return just because the team is losing more without him. He is a special talent along with Cade from this draft, probably down the road they will be recognized as the best 2 players from this draft

That's the last thing I'm worried about.

[Stickmann]

He’s a better defender for sure. Not 10 times. Maybe 5 times right now.

Laughable to think Mobley has better touch and skill around the rim though. Barnes has been the best scorer and post player by far of all the rookies.

Hahahaha. Mobley scores more points on better efficiency. Mobley stats when on tightly contested shots is like 70 percent. Barnes is at 47. “Best scorer by far” see this is what I’m talking about. Raptors fans keep saying delusional ****

I'll say this.

Mobley has been better and it's mostly due to his defense.

It's difficult to tell who's going to be the better scorer going forwards. Right now overall Mobley as Barnes has cooled off a bit has the edge but keep in mind their careers are in a small sample size. It wasn't too long ago when Barnes was scoring 18+ points on 14 shots having a 56% FG.

At the moment conventional wisdom says Mobley should be the better scorer but since they are rookies, I could easily see Mobley have a rough stretch and Barnes pick it back up, just like I can see the reverse.

Using 15-20 games as a sample size leaves too much to variance.

offense too. Mobley is just plain better at both ends on the floor, and on defense it's not remotely close. Also this is where it gets tricky but based on their college play it was clear mobley's skills would hold up better for the rest of the season than barnes. Barnes was an ineffective scorer in college by all accounts who consistently threw up some wild ass attempts from all over the court. Some of his layups attempts were just hilarious. Mobley touch and hands were incredible. Hard to say if college production means anything but i'm more willing to bet on mobley since what we're seeing from him is just a continuation from college where barnes was playing like a completely different player.

[Vampirate]

Hahahaha. Mobley scores more points on better efficiency. Mobley stats when on tightly contested shots is like 70 percent. Barnes is at 47. “Best scorer by far” see this is what I’m talking about. Raptors fans keep saying delusional ****

I'll say this.

Mobley has been better and it's mostly due to his defense.

It's difficult to tell who's going to be the better scorer going forwards. Right now overall Mobley as Barnes has cooled off a bit has the edge but keep in mind their careers are in a small sample size. It wasn't too long ago when Barnes was scoring 18+ points on 14 shots having a 56% FG.

At the moment conventional wisdom says Mobley should be the better scorer but since they are rookies, I could easily see Mobley have a rough stretch and Barnes pick it back up, just like I can see the reverse.

Using 15-20 games as a sample size leaves too much to variance.

offense too. Mobley is just plain better at both ends on the floor, and on defense it's not remotely close. Also this is where it gets tricky but based on their college play it was clear mobley's skills would hold up better for the rest of the season than barnes. Barnes was an ineffective scorer in college by all accounts who consistently threw up some wild ass attempts from all over the court. Some of his layups attempts were just hilarious. Mobley touch and hands were incredible. Hard to say if college production means anything but i'm more willing to bet on mobley since what we're seeing from him is just a continuation from college where barnes was playing like a completely different player.

Aside from Barnes playmaking and 3 point shooting you pretty much have to throw a lot his college stats out the window.

You not only have to take in effect that he's taking on a bigger load offensively in terms of shots, he's also clearly improved as a FT shooter (72% compared to 62%), but he's also the best rebounder in the draft class thus far (8.4 rebounds now to 4.1 in college).

One thing to note is the style of play his team was on was different to the NBA style.

He's simply improved as a player in a short period of time.

As for offense, I like Barnes upside more considering his scoring and playmaking potential (depends on his jump shot and handle).

Obviously this is not set in stone as this is as of now and my answer could easily change as the season unfolds.

I'll also say this, I think only Giddey (really needs a shot even more than barnes, but if he gets it), Mobley (playmaking?) and Sengun (need to see him take a bigger load offensively) will be able to affect the game they way I think Barnes can in the future on offense.

I don't think Green has the height to physically impose himself and Cade likely lacks the athleticism.

[aad]

Cade has been a big disappointment for a number one pick

[QingJames]

Raptors fan wilding thinking barnes and Mobley remotely on the same tier. As on par for them. Mobley is 10 times the defender and has a much better touch and skill around the rim.

He’s a better defender for sure. Not 10 times. Maybe 5 times right now.

Laughable to think Mobley has better touch and skill around the rim though. Barnes has been the best scorer and post player by far of all the rookies.

Mobley averaging 1.11 ppp in post up situations. Barnes. .76. “Laughable” hahahahah come on now son

Bruh we're talking about Mobley's 1 FGA post ups per game vs Barnes 0.6 FGA post ups per game. I guess in those narrow situations, Mobley's better, you've got me there. Let's talk about how 70% of Mobley's 2ptFGM buckets are assisted vs merely 36% for Barnes. Barnes is scoring at a 60% clip within 5 feet and the vast majority of it is self-created. Mobley is scoring 70% within 5 feet because he's mostly catching lobs and cuts to the basket.

It's crazy to me that one guy can be incredibly efficient and mostly self-creating in the post while the other guy is almost entirely dependent on having attempts created for him, and yet the former guy ISN'T the better post player. Who do you want with the ball in the post if they're not catching a lob? Barnes is way better in those situations so far.

[Stickmann]

He’s a better defender for sure. Not 10 times. Maybe 5 times right now.

Laughable to think Mobley has better touch and skill around the rim though. Barnes has been the best scorer and post player by far of all the rookies.

Mobley averaging 1.11 ppp in post up situations. Barnes. .76. “Laughable” hahahahah come on now son

Bruh we're talking about Mobley's 1 FGA post ups per game vs Barnes 0.6 FGA post ups per game. I guess in those narrow situations, Mobley's better, you've got me there. Let's talk about how 70% of Mobley's 2ptFGM buckets are assisted vs merely 36% for Barnes. Barnes is scoring at a 60% clip within 5 feet and the vast majority of it is self-created. Mobley is scoring 70% within 5 feet because he's mostly catching lobs and cuts to the basket.

It's crazy to me that one guy can be incredibly efficient and mostly self-creating in the post while the other guy is almost entirely dependent on having attempts created for him, and yet the former guy ISN'T the better post player. Who do you want with the ball in the post if they're not catching a lob? Barnes is way better in those situations so far.

post up possessions don't take into account lob catchers. Those post up possessions are strictly self creating opportunities. You're forcing a narrative that doesn't exist. Mobley post up stats won't be affected by a lob catch.

[QingJames]

Mobley averaging 1.11 ppp in post up situations. Barnes. .76. “Laughable” hahahahah come on now son

Bruh we're talking about Mobley's 1 FGA post ups per game vs Barnes 0.6 FGA post ups per game. I guess in those narrow situations, Mobley's better, you've got me there. Let's talk about how 70% of Mobley's 2ptFGM buckets are assisted vs merely 36% for Barnes. Barnes is scoring at a 60% clip within 5 feet and the vast majority of it is self-created. Mobley is scoring 70% within 5 feet because he's mostly catching lobs and cuts to the basket.

It's crazy to me that one guy can be incredibly efficient and mostly self-creating in the post while the other guy is almost entirely dependent on having attempts created for him, and yet the former guy ISN'T the better post player. Who do you want with the ball in the post if they're not catching a lob? Barnes is way better in those situations so far.

post up possessions don't take into account lob catchers. Those post up possessions are strictly self creating opportunities. You're forcing a narrative that doesn't exist. Mobley post up stats won't be affected by a lob catch.

Right, I'm going beyond the one FGA per game Mobley takes in your cited statistic of post up PPP. I'm talking about the rest of the action that goes on inside the paint and within 5 feet, where Barnes is clearly more versatile as a scorer while also being highly efficient.

Guy who can create for himself within 5 feet at a high efficiency vs guy who is incredibly reliant on others creating for him to score within 5 feet at a high efficiency. I know which one I'd consider a better player around the basket.

[djsunyc]

Raptors fan wilding thinking barnes and Mobley remotely on the same tier. As on par for them. Mobley is 10 times the defender and has a much better touch and skill around the rim.

mobley should've went #1 imho. but with rookies, alot depends on team, fit and role. mobley on offense benefits from really not having to create whereas barnes initiates alot of his own stuff. mobley is an all world defender tho.

[Big J]

Has Cade always been this bad of a shooter? I know he had a good shooting year as a frosh, but was he trash before that?