Lakers are 9-10. Who's to blame?

Liam_Gallagher · Post #121 » by **Liam_Gallagher** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:06 pm

It’s a nightmare season and I don’t see it getting better. Their schedule has still been pretty easy and they’re losing a lot.

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #122 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:06 pm

AmIWrongDude wrote:I'm curious for the people that always blame everything that goes bad on LeGM - do you guys also talk about LeGM when his teams win? If LeGM is a real thing than you would have to admit LeBron is one of the greatest GM's of all time on top of being a GOAT player lol.

For instance, people act like its a negative that Bron got Blatt fired, when really it led to a ring the next year and teams weren't exactly lining up to pick him up as coach.

He's very good at having his pals forcing their way to his team.

AdriLaker · Post #123 » by **AdriLaker** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:14 pm

Trade Westbrick or make him our cheerNOTleader. LeBron will have the ball, shooters around and AD can display his full game being more protagonist...oh, and this will be better for our defense and limit the turnovers. **** his triple doubles, i don't care about that ****

Goomba3666 · Post #124 » by **Goomba3666** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:22 pm

Lol. I really hope they don't trade Westbrook.

This is a season where there are NO EXCUSES. This will be another season where we get to acknowledge that he lost with multiple champions, hall of famers, and a Triple Double record holder.

art_tatum · Post #125 » by **art_tatum** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:30 pm

How did they lose the first OT lol
I didn't watch but saw that they were up 6 with a lil over a min left

The Laker Kid · Post #126 » by **The Laker Kid** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:32 pm

RealGM posters. They over glorified this team.

Hans1984 · Post #127 » by **Hans1984** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:53 pm

zshawn10 wrote:

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AD is delusional. They can't even win 3 in a row :banghead:

art_tatum · Post #128 » by **art_tatum** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:05 pm

At what point to we re-evaluate their talent and contribution to winning?
LeBron is a top5 player, and according to realGM polls top 3 before the season.
AD top 10
Westbrook top 15.

Right now Westbrook has taken a hit some pushing him to top 30.
But they still have a top 5 and top 10 player.

The warriors have 1 top 5 player and that's it. Maybe Draymond is in that 15-30 range. Then who? Wiggins, Poole? They are 17-2.

Are the Lakers that much worse talent wise than the kyrie less nets? We have a top 5 player and a top 15 player in harden. No one as skilled as Westbrook since kyrie is out

KrAzY3 · Post #129 » by **KrAzY3** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:30 pm

The Laker Kid wrote:RealGM posters. They over glorified this team.

AD is right about this team having the ability to go on a run though. But they just have too many variables, issues, poor fits, etc... They seem fatally flawed in the long run.

You have stat padder Westbrook, soft AD, no defense Melo, and LeBron whose character issues really seem to be coming to the surface lately. He going back to his original Cavs days did not handle adversity well and they are having adversity now. Only he doesn't have a leader like Wade around to keep things from going completely off the rails.

Post #130 » by **slick_watts** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:34 pm

lebron is 37 years old and has played over 60k combined minutes. this is the beginning of the end. AD isn't enough. they need a third guy, at this point in lebron's career.

KrAzY3 · Post #131 » by **KrAzY3** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:37 pm

slick_watts wrote:lebron is 37 years old and has played over 60k combined minutes. this is the beginning of the end. AD isn't enough. they need a third guy, at this point in lebron's career.

How about a record setting former MVP who is only 33 (nearly Jordan's age when he started his second championship run)? Would that be enough help?

dacrusha · Post #132 » by **dacrusha** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:39 pm

slick_watts wrote:lebron is 37 years old and has played over 60k combined minutes. this is the beginning of the end. AD isn't enough. they need a third guy, at this point in lebron's career.

Everyone has seen what happens when AD is given the keys to a franchise as their leader - that team will be nothing but .500 at best.

With age affecting LBJ the way it is, the Lakers will only get to finals contention with a another true Alpha… a Beta like AD will have them battling it out for the play-in spot again.

Post #133 » by **slick_watts** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:41 pm

KrAzY3 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:lebron is 37 years old and has played over 60k combined minutes. this is the beginning of the end. AD isn't enough. they need a third guy, at this point in lebron's career.

How about a record setting former MVP who is only 33 (nearly Jordan's age when he started his second championship run)? Would that be enough help?

russell westbrook isn't good anymore.

giberish · Post #134 » by **giberish** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:43 pm

They used 10 of their 15 roster spots on min salary guys. That essentially guaranteed a team with crap depth. Going with so many very old (by NBA standards) and essentially retired guys made it worse, but it was unlikely be good as min salary guys are usually min salary guys for a reason.
With elite star talent you can overcome that. However LeBron is no longer the best player in the league (and is so old that he gets injured more). AD could be around the 10th best player but has tended to float and be lower intensity. Everyone knew that Westbrook was only a star in marquee value and not in impact. The star talent would still be good enough to compete on a team with quality depth, but they aren't on the elite level to overcome all the min salary depth.

KrAzY3 · Post #135 » by **KrAzY3** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:57 pm

slick_watts wrote:
KrAzY3 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:lebron is 37 years old and has played over 60k combined minutes. this is the beginning of the end. AD isn't enough. they need a third guy, at this point in lebron's career.

How about a record setting former MVP who is only 33 (nearly Jordan's age when he started his second championship run)? Would that be enough help?

russell westbrook isn't good anymore.

I kind of agree but it also falls under the LeBron never has enough help category as well. I mean people called Rose washed when he was with LeBron and he's had a bunch of solid seasons since then. A lot of major stars have not really looked good playing alongside LeBron. Bosh, Love, Westbrook... and we always tend to blame the other guy.

Post #136 » by **slick_watts** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:05 pm

KrAzY3 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
KrAzY3 wrote:
How about a record setting former MVP who is only 33 (nearly Jordan's age when he started his second championship run)? Would that be enough help?

russell westbrook isn't good anymore.

I kind of agree but it also falls under the LeBron never has enough help category as well. I mean people called Rose washed when he was with LeBron and he's had a bunch of solid seasons since then. A lot of major stars have not really looked good playing alongside LeBron. Bosh, Love, Westbrook... and we always tend to blame the other guy.

lebron has played more minutes than any player in nba history. it's ok that he cannot carry a team anymore. the fact that he is still playing at all is a biological miracle.

G35 · Post #137 » by **G35** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:29 pm

AdriLaker wrote:Trade Westbrick or make him our cheerNOTleader. LeBron will have the ball, shooters around and AD can display his full game being more protagonist...oh, and this will be better for our defense and limit the turnovers. **** his triple doubles, i don't care about that ****

Don't you know its how you play the game is how you should judge a player. If a player is productive then that is all that matters.....

Trey24 · Post #138 » by **Trey24** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:50 pm

When thinking from Lebrons perspective I would say that the issue is everything but Lebron James. But in all seriousness, it will never be his fault so if they don't turn it around it will inevitably end in Vogul getting axed.

You know, the guy that won the championship with Lebron in year 1 with the team. Yes, seems like it is his fault, not roster construction.

Liam_Gallagher · Post #139 » by **Liam_Gallagher** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:49 pm

Read on Twitter

durantbird · Post #140 » by **durantbird** » Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:37 pm

The two GMs in the poll