2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

[SpreeS]

Well I didn’t think it would be but it’s very credible that GSW fans on this forum are actually worse than Raps ones.

It’s like teaching a child how to read and comprehend but even a child can learn simple concepts.

I’ve even seen drunken old men who never shuts up before or after telling story actually stop, process and say you know what when people bring up a sound point.

With some GSW posters on this fat chance that’s likely to happen.

You think, you are a smarter guy here...You think, that you a smarter than NBA team's GM....GM's so stupid in these days to give Gordon 80y contract, when Bjelica and Porter are on the market for vet min.

[TwoStarz]

Porter Jr and Bjelica are good ball players I think everyone can agree on that fact. I’d imagine Jokic and the Nuggets would be better off having 2x more Barton’s. Instead the cupboard is barely playable as is. Some aren’t even that

Hence why I mentioned earlier Bjelica or Porter is close to a wash with Gordon/Barton talent for talents.

Check the adv stuff it’s basically out of the four some are ahead, some behind whatever. Good serviceable long time NBA ball players.

He played with a rookie pg that shot under 40% FG lol. Jokic can play with anyone good or G League level for the past two seasons now it’s dead obvious.

Now GSW 7th-10th players are close to a wash with DEN starters....

Starter or not a player is a player. Dude we had Korkmaz start games and he is arse so is Wiseman for that matter. Gordon is above average so is Barton and so is Bjelica and Porter put all four careers together it’s basically a wash on who is better right now. Give each of them 20+ mins at the Nuggets the results would be very very similar bet the house on it.

Stop downplaying how much depth GSW has.

Crap statement when literally a game ago Otto Porter put up 15/6 off 8 FGAS lmao. But yeah a rookie, an older second year PG that isn’t a great shooter is basically the Nuggets bench last game.

Da heck are you talking about? Both could well and truly start for the Nuggets that’s a downright fact. Both have combined 450+ starting games.

Get off the GSW carrot stick nut hugging machine

Dude, how many times you going to post the same garbage in this thread? Taking shots at "GSW fans" cause people don't agree with your opinion. By the looks of it, its more than just one.

Jokic is having a great season, no warriors or curry fan is denying that or likely will deny that.

However, you keep making absurd and stupid claims, that are downright diminishing whatever pro-case Jokic may have.

Porter and Bjelica are good players all of a sudden? I'll give you that they are solid players with high IQ that can fit right into playing with Curry in GSW. But ask yourself, why didn't anyone sign them? They were had for the minimum ffs, any and every team had an equal chance to sign them. GSW has so much depth that all statistical models and media pundits had them as a low seed/play-in team. 538 predicted the team to finish with 37 wins FFS.

Now all of sudden that the team is exceeding expectations by far...they are loaded with depth and poor Jokic has nothing to work with.

Your absurd claim that "jokic can play with anyone, good, bad or g league" is just plain senseless cause Curry did the same thing just last year. This whole thing is you just throwing words out there, just for the sake of.

Again, if Jokic can play with anyone, why isn't he doing it right now and achieving great results? Fact is, he might be playing with G-league talent, but he isn't really elevating his team much more than .500 so far so not even sure what point you're trying to make with that. Jokic is really good, everyone knows that, but so is Curry. News flash, most superstars (ACTUAL superstars) in the league can likely carry Denvers roster to a middling .500 record. Jokic has done nothing special in that regards except for posting godly individual numbers.

Curry played with a G-league bench just last year (literally) and still produced a record 7 games over .500 in a shortened season while missing 9 games in which his team went 2-7. Oh and This included Kent Bazemore and Looney (Who is great for GSW but I have no doubt would be unplayable anywhere else) in the starting lineup

But you continue with the garbage you're spewing in here how GSW are incomprehensible and lack reason. In reality, you're the one coming off strongly ignorant and arrogant. You clearly have zero clue what you're talking about.

[Doctor MJ]

His team is also crapola and worst than the GSW team last season. Curry has taken more than a few games off this year alone (has the most down games from the 4 check if must). GSW are cracked out and have been smoking teams while he’s on the bench.

I think we need to go to the +/- stats here.

Here's the current league-wide leaderboard:

1. Steph Curry +306
2. Rudy Gobert +210
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo +204
4. Donovan Mitchell +197
5. Jordan Clarkson +181

Curry's separation not just from his teammates, but the entire rest of the league is just absurd. He's at nearly 50% above the next highest guy in the league.

Not making any predictions of him keeping it up, but suffice to say, if you haven't noticed Curry's night & day impact when he's on vs off the court, it's not because it isn't about as impressive as anything you've ever seen, it's that you haven't recognized what you're seeing for what it is.

My apologies for how harsh that probably sounds. I'm not trying to say that everyone else can see it and you can't, or even that I can literally "see it" just by watching the game, but in a nutshell, this is why we need to use data.

It’s a mistake to separate the two sides of the ball like this and act as if that means an offensive-oriented player is irrelevant to the defense performance.

If a team decides it can play more defense oriented guys around an offensive star, this is what happens. Same is true in the opposite direction.

The overall numbers are always what’s most real.


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[DCasey91]

Jokic when playing is +500 and ahead just like Curry last year don’t give me this not elevating his team much nonsense. Now who is saying stupid and absurd things? Cmon now I’m not the one being unreasonable.

Check the Greens, Camps, PJ, Rivers, Howard’s metrics they are god awful.

Clear difference is that Curry doesn’t bring in elite defense at all. Jokic when he sits by all net ratings leaves the Nuggets in a massive crater on both ends of the floor.

I’m not the one sprouting bs claims here. GSW were ranked defensively last year. That’s a fact

Signing for the min? I literally mentioned Bobby Portis and PJ Tucker on roleplayer value etc. I don’t just come up with “ignorant and arrogant” stuff.

Players outdo their contracts and they are FA’s they can go wherever they like. Doesn’t change who the player is and what they produce on the court.

The very first mention was this:

1. Jokic would do a lot better if he had 2x Barton’s to add on

2. Bjelica and Porter is close to a wash with Barton/Gordon talent for talent and playing wise now

3. Give all 20+ mins results produced will be very very similar

Put two and two together not that hard to understand which is hard to even gather if a person thinks for a moment and doesn’t see this conclusion.

I also laid out the reasons why I persons would think otherwise.

Then I said the quick alignment metaphor about the kid and comprehension.

Any of the above is even discussion worthy to begin with is like how though? Please read the above it’s not to brash because context and language gets lost on the internet.

But this is very logical and not at all insightful or deep.

Just because a few posters reply back doesn’t mean what they say is even semi coherent.

[Doctor MJ]

His team is also crapola and worst than the GSW team last season. Curry has taken more than a few games off this year alone (has the most down games from the 4 check if must). GSW are cracked out and have been smoking teams while he’s on the bench.

I think we need to go to the +/- stats here.

Here's the current league-wide leaderboard:

1. Steph Curry +306
2. Rudy Gobert +210
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo +204
4. Donovan Mitchell +197
5. Jordan Clarkson +181

Curry's separation not just from his teammates, but the entire rest of the league is just absurd. He's at nearly 50% above the next highest guy in the league.

Not making any predictions of him keeping it up, but suffice to say, if you haven't noticed Curry's night & day impact when he's on vs off the court, it's not because it isn't about as impressive as anything you've ever seen, it's that you haven't recognized what you're seeing for what it is.

My apologies for how harsh that probably sounds. I'm not trying to say that everyone else can see it and you can't, or even that I can literally "see it" just by watching the game, but in a nutshell, this is why we need to use data.

No thanks talking to a GSW fan. They have a +5 net rating when Curry sits that’s a great number and would beat .500 teams.

Fat chance Clarkson is a top 5 player in the comp.

Don’t think GSW dropped so far off the mark as Nuggets do this year relative wise when Jokic sits. He carries both their offense and defense not just one or the other.

Last time I checked Curry doesn’t give you near elite defense which GSW had.

Wasn’t it one of the adv metrics that paints Curry in an exorbitant light. Don’t answer it I’ll find it for myself

Dude can go 8/20 have 3+ turnovers and GSW win by 10. Not exactly best player impact.

Fail to acknowledge he’s had the most average games out of the four, but it’s Steph he does no wrong.

Hopefully I’m not talking to WarriorsGM he’s probably living in a different world with all this talk about his favorite son lol.

You’re confusing production for impact, and this confusion has been at the heart of why Curry has been underrated ever since Kerr got there and implemented a scheme that maximized gravitational impact.

Even when Curry’s shot is missing, the defense still leaves gaps open for his teammates, and that’s why Curry’s plus minus numbers have been so impressive all these years.


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[Statlanta]

Jokic is the best player but he's not repeating.

Curry and Giannis are the ones who will win the award.

[DCasey91]

Now GSW 7th-10th players are close to a wash with DEN starters....

Starter or not a player is a player. Dude we had Korkmaz start games and he is arse so is Wiseman for that matter. Gordon is above average so is Barton and so is Bjelica and Porter put all four careers together it’s basically a wash on who is better right now. Give each of them 20+ mins at the Nuggets the results would be very very similar bet the house on it.

Stop downplaying how much depth GSW has.

Crap statement when literally a game ago Otto Porter put up 15/6 off 8 FGAS lmao. But yeah a rookie, an older second year PG that isn’t a great shooter is basically the Nuggets bench last game.

Da heck are you talking about? Both could well and truly start for the Nuggets that’s a downright fact. Both have combined 450+ starting games.

Get off the GSW carrot stick nut hugging machine

Dude, how many times you going to post the same garbage in this thread? Taking shots at "GSW fans" cause people don't agree with your opinion. By the looks of it, its more than just one.

Jokic is having a great season, no warriors or curry fan is denying that or likely will deny that.

However, you keep making absurd and stupid claims, that are downright diminishing whatever pro-case Jokic may have.

Porter and Bjelica are good players all of a sudden? I'll give you that they are solid players with high IQ that can fit right into playing with Curry in GSW. But ask yourself, why didn't anyone sign them? They were had for the minimum ffs, any and every team had an equal chance to sign them. GSW has so much depth that all statistical models and media pundits had them as a low seed/play-in team. 538 predicted the team to finish with 37 wins FFS.

Now all of sudden that the team is exceeding expectations by far...they are loaded with depth and poor Jokic has nothing to work with.

Your absurd claim that "jokic can play with anyone, good, bad or g league" is just plain senseless cause Curry did the same thing just last year. This whole thing is you just throwing words out there, just for the sake of.

Again, if Jokic can play with anyone, why isn't he doing it right now and achieving great results? Fact is, he might be playing with G-league talent, but he isn't really elevating his team much more than .500 so far so not even sure what point you're trying to make with that. Jokic is really good, everyone knows that, but so is Curry. News flash, most superstars (ACTUAL superstars) in the league can likely carry Denvers roster to a middling .500 record. Jokic has done nothing special in that regards except for posting godly individual numbers.

Curry played with a G-league bench just last year (literally) and still produced a record 7 games over .500 in a shortened season while missing 9 games in which his team went 2-7. Oh and This included Kent Bazemore and Looney (Who is great for GSW but I have no doubt would be unplayable anywhere else) in the starting lineup

But you continue with the garbage you're spewing in here how GSW are incomprehensible and lack reason. In reality, you're the one coming off strongly ignorant and arrogant. You clearly have zero clue what you're talking about.

Jokic when playing is +500 and ahead just like Curry last year don’t give me this not elevating his team much nonsense. Now who is saying stupid and absurd things? Cmon now I’m not the one being unreasonable.

Check the Greens, Camps, PJ, Rivers, Howard’s metrics they are god awful. I also mentioned to the Nugs three pronged bench lol repeatedly (I sense an echo somewhere).

Clear difference is that Curry doesn’t bring in elite defense at all. Jokic when he sits by all net ratings leaves the Nuggets in a massive crater on both ends of the floor.

I’m not the one sprouting bs claims here. GSW were ranked defensively last year. That’s a fact

Signing for the min? I literally mentioned Bobby Portis and PJ Tucker on roleplayer value etc. I don’t just come up with “ignorant and arrogant” stuff.

Players outdo their contracts and they are FA’s they can go wherever they like. Doesn’t change who the player is and what they produce on the court.

The very first mention was this:

1. Jokic would do a lot better if he had 2x Barton’s to add on

2. Bjelica and Porter is close to a wash with Barton/Gordon talent for talent and playing wise now

3. Give all 20+ mins results produced will be very very similar

Put two and two together not that hard to understand which is hard to even gather if a person thinks for a moment and doesn’t see this conclusion.

I also laid out the reasons why a persons would think otherwise earlier.

Then I said the quick alignment metaphor about the kid and comprehension.

Any of the above is even discussion worthy to begin with is like how though? Please read the above it’s not to brash because context and language gets lost on the internet.

But this is very logical and not at all insightful or deep.

Just because a few posters reply back doesn’t mean what they say is even semi coherent.

And just like in life with kids you have to repeat yourself ad nauseam in the off chance they actually understand where your coming from.

I’ve replied to you take the time to read it and read it instead of looking for your own or not whatever the case maybe. Just as you say I sprout garbage please don’t instill the same trash play on the following return. Thanks

[TwoStarz]

Starter or not a player is a player. Dude we had Korkmaz start games and he is arse so is Wiseman for that matter. Gordon is above average so is Barton and so is Bjelica and Porter put all four careers together it’s basically a wash on who is better right now. Give each of them 20+ mins at the Nuggets the results would be very very similar bet the house on it.

Stop downplaying how much depth GSW has.

Crap statement when literally a game ago Otto Porter put up 15/6 off 8 FGAS lmao. But yeah a rookie, an older second year PG that isn’t a great shooter is basically the Nuggets bench last game.

Da heck are you talking about? Both could well and truly start for the Nuggets that’s a downright fact. Both have combined 450+ starting games.

Get off the GSW carrot stick nut hugging machine

Dude, how many times you going to post the same garbage in this thread? Taking shots at "GSW fans" cause people don't agree with your opinion. By the looks of it, its more than just one.

Jokic is having a great season, no warriors or curry fan is denying that or likely will deny that.

However, you keep making absurd and stupid claims, that are downright diminishing whatever pro-case Jokic may have.

Porter and Bjelica are good players all of a sudden? I'll give you that they are solid players with high IQ that can fit right into playing with Curry in GSW. But ask yourself, why didn't anyone sign them? They were had for the minimum ffs, any and every team had an equal chance to sign them. GSW has so much depth that all statistical models and media pundits had them as a low seed/play-in team. 538 predicted the team to finish with 37 wins FFS.

Now all of sudden that the team is exceeding expectations by far...they are loaded with depth and poor Jokic has nothing to work with.

Your absurd claim that "jokic can play with anyone, good, bad or g league" is just plain senseless cause Curry did the same thing just last year. This whole thing is you just throwing words out there, just for the sake of.

Again, if Jokic can play with anyone, why isn't he doing it right now and achieving great results? Fact is, he might be playing with G-league talent, but he isn't really elevating his team much more than .500 so far so not even sure what point you're trying to make with that. Jokic is really good, everyone knows that, but so is Curry. News flash, most superstars (ACTUAL superstars) in the league can likely carry Denvers roster to a middling .500 record. Jokic has done nothing special in that regards except for posting godly individual numbers.

Curry played with a G-league bench just last year (literally) and still produced a record 7 games over .500 in a shortened season while missing 9 games in which his team went 2-7. Oh and This included Kent Bazemore and Looney (Who is great for GSW but I have no doubt would be unplayable anywhere else) in the starting lineup

But you continue with the garbage you're spewing in here how GSW are incomprehensible and lack reason. In reality, you're the one coming off strongly ignorant and arrogant. You clearly have zero clue what you're talking about.

Jokic when playing is +500 and ahead just like Curry last year don’t give me this not elevating his team much nonsense. Now who is saying stupid and absurd things? Cmon now I’m not the one being unreasonable.

Check the Greens, Camps, PJ, Rivers, Howard’s metrics they are god awful. I also mentioned to the Nugs three pronged bench lol repeatedly (I sense an echo somewhere).

Clear difference is that Curry doesn’t bring in elite defense at all. Jokic when he sits by all net ratings leaves the Nuggets in a massive crater on both ends of the floor.

I’m not the one sprouting bs claims here. GSW were ranked defensively last year. That’s a fact

Signing for the min? I literally mentioned Bobby Portis and PJ Tucker on roleplayer value etc. I don’t just come up with “ignorant and arrogant” stuff.

Players outdo their contracts and they are FA’s they can go wherever they like. Doesn’t change who the player is and what they produce on the court.

The very first mention was this:

1. Jokic would do a lot better if he had 2x Barton’s to add on

2. Bjelica and Porter is close to a wash with Barton/Gordon talent for talent and playing wise now

3. Give all 20+ mins results produced will be very very similar

Put two and two together not that hard to understand which is hard to even gather if a person thinks for a moment and doesn’t see this conclusion.

I also laid out the reasons why a persons would think otherwise earlier.

Then I said the quick alignment metaphor about the kid and comprehension.

Any of the above is even discussion worthy to begin with is like how though? Please read the above it’s not to brash because context and language gets lost on the internet.

But this is very logical and not at all insightful or deep.

Just because a few posters reply back doesn’t mean what they say is even semi coherent.

And just like in life with kids you have to repeat yourself ad nauseam in the off chance they actually understand where your coming from.

I’ve replied to you take the time to read it and read it instead of looking for your own or not whatever the case maybe. Just as you say I sprout garbage please don’t instill the same trash play on the following return. Thanks

I love how you continue to call others "children" while completely failing to make any sort of logical point. Its funny, when you have to call out multiple people for reading comprehension, maybe, just MAYBE, you should take some time out to read your own posts and see if even YOU can comprehend it.

The point is, last year Curry had a G-league roster as well, just like Jokic this year. You wanna say that Jokic is playing above .500 ball, cool, more power to you and Jokic.

But how does this change what Curry did last year? He also led a g-league roster to an above .500 record. So how is there a clear bias towards Curry last year? Most posters here would agree that Jokic should finish in the top 3 in voting, just like Curry did last year.

Porter and Bjelica weren't on the team last year. This year they are and the warriors are the best team in the league.

If you want to compare what Jokic is doing vs what Curry can do with a lesser roster, you don't have to look any further than just last year.

Last year Jokic got the MVP, rightfully so. This year, Curry has the better team record by far and would rightfully win the MVP, if he were to win it.

All you're doing in this thread is, getting mad at posters for not drooling all over Jokic like you.

I just love how Golden State was able to stack their roster with Minimum contract players, what an unfair advantage. Damn you GOLDEN STATE! DAMN YOU

I agree with you, players are players despite their salary, hence why all warrior posters were high on their team prior to the season, while this board was mostly down on them. Not saying it was particularly you, before you lose your **** again for someone "putting words into your mouth"

[DCasey91]

I think we need to go to the +/- stats here.

Here's the current league-wide leaderboard:

1. Steph Curry +306
2. Rudy Gobert +210
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo +204
4. Donovan Mitchell +197
5. Jordan Clarkson +181

Curry's separation not just from his teammates, but the entire rest of the league is just absurd. He's at nearly 50% above the next highest guy in the league.

Not making any predictions of him keeping it up, but suffice to say, if you haven't noticed Curry's night & day impact when he's on vs off the court, it's not because it isn't about as impressive as anything you've ever seen, it's that you haven't recognized what you're seeing for what it is.

My apologies for how harsh that probably sounds. I'm not trying to say that everyone else can see it and you can't, or even that I can literally "see it" just by watching the game, but in a nutshell, this is why we need to use data.

No thanks talking to a GSW fan. They have a +5 net rating when Curry sits that’s a great number and would beat .500 teams.

Fat chance Clarkson is a top 5 player in the comp.

Don’t think GSW dropped so far off the mark as Nuggets do this year relative wise when Jokic sits. He carries both their offense and defense not just one or the other.

Last time I checked Curry doesn’t give you near elite defense which GSW had.

Wasn’t it one of the adv metrics that paints Curry in an exorbitant light. Don’t answer it I’ll find it for myself

Dude can go 8/20 have 3+ turnovers and GSW win by 10. Not exactly best player impact.

Fail to acknowledge he’s had the most average games out of the four, but it’s Steph he does no wrong.

Hopefully I’m not talking to WarriorsGM he’s probably living in a different world with all this talk about his favorite son lol.

You’re confusing production for impact, and this confusion has been at the heart of why Curry has been underrated ever since Kerr got there and implemented a scheme that maximized gravitational impact.

Even when Curry’s shot is missing, the defense still leaves gaps open for his teammates, and that’s why Curry’s plus minus numbers have been so impressive all these years.


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Not confusing anything with anything. Since when did it become assumption college. Kerr’s system at some level requires smart bball players

Isn’t this the first year albeit very small sample where Curry + Green hasn’t produced its usual nuclear results only semi nuclear so far? It’s like some weird duo that matches perfectly together

Are you going to be the one to create a Curry all in one gravity index on miss shots = guaranteed offense? Good luck lot of noise in the background.

Not taking away anything from Curry

But does he bring elite defense? No
Has he had the most quiet games out of the 4 candidates? Yes
Will he win MVP? Most likely

I reckon to me posters undergarments got too tight without actually reading what is wrote and forming instant emotive even before an iota of a formation of a point was to begin.

The original thought was Jokic best player this year,
Jokic has less help than Curry last year. Alluding to Media and narrative hypocrisy cool I’ll share the boat with captain obvious.

Curry hasn’t been the best player this year and has more help and more down games.

MVP means most valuable. Jokic by definition has been more valuable to his own team in winning a game by strictly being a more “impactful” player on both ends of the court.” +500 when he plays (11-9)

So simple but it’s not to the untrained eye lol.

The trained vermin would have countered with well shouldn’t then would you say Curry should have been MVP last year basing it off the proviso taking a bad team to instant playability then I say no but alas Jokic still had a far superior year one of hot shooting month doesn’t make a season!

Then you counter with well so far we’re what 20+ games in? And I say well played sport let’s have a drink we are wise and we can talk like normal people again.

Don’t worry I did all the forecasting just then. All done

[TwoStarz]

I think we need to go to the +/- stats here.

Here's the current league-wide leaderboard:

1. Steph Curry +306
2. Rudy Gobert +210
3. Giannis Antetokounmpo +204
4. Donovan Mitchell +197
5. Jordan Clarkson +181

Curry's separation not just from his teammates, but the entire rest of the league is just absurd. He's at nearly 50% above the next highest guy in the league.

Not making any predictions of him keeping it up, but suffice to say, if you haven't noticed Curry's night & day impact when he's on vs off the court, it's not because it isn't about as impressive as anything you've ever seen, it's that you haven't recognized what you're seeing for what it is.

My apologies for how harsh that probably sounds. I'm not trying to say that everyone else can see it and you can't, or even that I can literally "see it" just by watching the game, but in a nutshell, this is why we need to use data.

No thanks talking to a GSW fan. They have a +5 net rating when Curry sits that’s a great number and would beat .500 teams.

Fat chance Clarkson is a top 5 player in the comp.

Don’t think GSW dropped so far off the mark as Nuggets do this year relative wise when Jokic sits. He carries both their offense and defense not just one or the other.

Last time I checked Curry doesn’t give you near elite defense which GSW had.

Wasn’t it one of the adv metrics that paints Curry in an exorbitant light. Don’t answer it I’ll find it for myself

Dude can go 8/20 have 3+ turnovers and GSW win by 10. Not exactly best player impact.

Fail to acknowledge he’s had the most average games out of the four, but it’s Steph he does no wrong.

Hopefully I’m not talking to WarriorsGM he’s probably living in a different world with all this talk about his favorite son lol.

You’re confusing production for impact, and this confusion has been at the heart of why Curry has been underrated ever since Kerr got there and implemented a scheme that maximized gravitational impact.

Even when Curry’s shot is missing, the defense still leaves gaps open for his teammates, and that’s why Curry’s plus minus numbers have been so impressive all these years.


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No man, its hard to see why Curry's teammates who mostly get shootaround shots in games, would be relatively effective at putting the ball in the basket.

But wait, teammates still have to make shots, which Jokics clearly aren't doing. To that I'd say, Ball finds energy and warriors play with ton of it. Every player is involved in every play down the court, even if it doesn't necessarily mean shooting the ball.

This is one of the biggest issues with heliocentric offenses that people haven't quite caught on to, yet.

[TwoStarz]

No thanks talking to a GSW fan. They have a +5 net rating when Curry sits that’s a great number and would beat .500 teams.

Fat chance Clarkson is a top 5 player in the comp.

Don’t think GSW dropped so far off the mark as Nuggets do this year relative wise when Jokic sits. He carries both their offense and defense not just one or the other.

Last time I checked Curry doesn’t give you near elite defense which GSW had.

Wasn’t it one of the adv metrics that paints Curry in an exorbitant light. Don’t answer it I’ll find it for myself

Dude can go 8/20 have 3+ turnovers and GSW win by 10. Not exactly best player impact.

Fail to acknowledge he’s had the most average games out of the four, but it’s Steph he does no wrong.

Hopefully I’m not talking to WarriorsGM he’s probably living in a different world with all this talk about his favorite son lol.

You’re confusing production for impact, and this confusion has been at the heart of why Curry has been underrated ever since Kerr got there and implemented a scheme that maximized gravitational impact.

Even when Curry’s shot is missing, the defense still leaves gaps open for his teammates, and that’s why Curry’s plus minus numbers have been so impressive all these years.


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Not confusing anything with anything. Since when did it become assumption college. Kerr’s system at some level requires smart bball players

Isn’t this the first year albeit very small sample where Curry + Green hasn’t produced its usual nuclear results only semi nuclear so far? It’s like some weird duo that matches perfectly together

Are you going to be the one to create a Curry all in one gravity index on miss shots = guaranteed offense? Good luck lot of noise in the background.

Not taking away anything from Curry

But does he bring elite defense? No
Has he had the most quiet games out of the 4 candidates? Yes
Will he win MVP? Most likely

I reckon to me posters undergarments got too tight without actually reading what is wrote and forming instant emotive even before an iota of a formation of a point was to begin.

The original thought was Jokic best player this year,
Jokic has less help than Curry last year. Alluding to Media and narrative hypocrisy cool I’ll share the boat with captain obvious.

Curry hasn’t been the best player this year and has more help and more down games.

MVP means most valuable. Jokic by definition has been more valuable to his own team in winning a game by strictly being a more “impactful” player on both ends of the court.” +500 when he plays (11-9)

So simple but it’s not to the untrained eye lol.

The trained vermin would have countered with well shouldn’t then would you say Curry should have been MVP last year basing it off the proviso taking a bad team to instant playability then I say no but alas Jokic still had a far superior year one of hot shooting month doesn’t make a season!

Then you counter with well so far we’re what 20+ games in? And I say well played sport let’s have a drink we are wise and we can talk like normal people again.

Don’t worry I did all the forecasting just then. All done

I mean you’re comparing a guards defense vs a centers. Of course it’s not going to matchup, they play two completely different positions.

Now if you want to have a more logical discussion, we can do it relative to their positions and soon as that happens, I’d say both are above average relative to their peers. So it’s a wash.

You just keep getting funnier and funnier. Curry’s last years roster isn’t comparable to this year Jokics?

Let’s see:

Curry, green, wiggins, Bazemore, looney, Mulder, JTA, Jordan Poole, Damien Lee (all three bench players were called up from the G league, while Lee is a career G league guy).

Vs

Jokic, Morris, Barton, Gordon, two Greens, compazzo, bones

Seems pretty damn comparable to me.

The team falling apart cause of Jokic on the bench has more to do with the coach and the front office, than it does with Jokic. Obviously it’s gonna happen when you put in an entire bench lineup in at once.

Also it would help if they had some sort of backup center, like how last year warriors had no backup to Steph

Something that Kerr figured out and started playing his superstar with bench players to extract the most out of them this year. The biggest reason Curry and Green haven't produced the nuclear results together is because they play together less. Curry is still producing nuclear results with the likes of Bjelica as his two man game partner.

[DCasey91]

Umm Poole was Curry’s backup please don’t make it that obvious and trying to bend things. That was pretty average water bending for shame.

No I’m saying the reason why GSW had ranked defense has nothing to do with Curry

The reason why Nuggets keep teams under their own total and score more offensively is because of legitimately only one player on the team and that’s Jokic.

Posters still this day fail to acknowledge this very simple thing of yes GSW’s defense was good to great. Had sweet FA to do with Curry. Numero 5th yes 5.

Are you the Nuggets rep in the FO? What do you know about the coach and the FO. Nothing that’s how much you actually know

The goalpost shifting as someone mentioned earlier is not fantastic not even amazing here, there isn’t a goalpost to begin with lol.

It’s like some scene in the movie where the dude says please for the love of go check the numbers it’s not close. What’s comparable from last year?

That GSW sucked offensively but were 5th defensively overall and a guard makes all the defensive difference in the world please.

Nuggets suck offensively and defensively without Jokic on the court.

[The-Power]

Porter Jr and Bjelica are good ball players I think everyone can agree on that fact. I’d imagine Jokic and the Nuggets would be better off having 2x more Barton’s. Instead the cupboard is barely playable as is. Some aren’t even that

Hence why I mentioned earlier Bjelica or Porter is close to a wash with Gordon/Barton talent for talents.

If that's true and it's obvious then why didn't you believe that GSW had great depth before the season? After all, Porter and Bjelica have only played around one third of all possible minutes thus far – starters usually play around twice as much, including Gordon and Barton for the Nuggets this year.

Oh crap another GSW fan. Also when did I say that about the depth thing? Don’t you ever dare put words that I never said don’t ever do it. Not cool one warning that’s it. Some people need some spectacles and learn to read instead of looking for parts to misconstrued to their own narrow view of things. That’s a poor move for putting up a false statement and another for making up an assumption.

Hey how about you look above I just mentioned to stop downplaying the GSW depth.

‘One warning’ and ‘don't you dare’? What do you think you're doing with this kind of immature and childish posturing on an online messaging board? Your way of communicating really disqualifies you from any serious discussion as you seem to have a lot of growing up to do. Also, I'm an individual person with an individual comment, not ‘another GSW fan’ as if we're all the same and think/communicate alike.

Anyway, you shouldn't accuse me of putting words in your mouth when I'm not doing that.

Warriors don’t have the depth or the top end this year they are not contenders.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=94002512#p94002512

There you go. I believe that qualifies as not thinking that the Warriors have ‘great depth’ – which is exactly what I wrote. Players you seem to consider starter-level are playing one third of the minutes off the bench for the Warriors, so that looks like you'd have to believe they have great depth. Yet in October you point out that they have neither the depth nor the top end talent to be contenders this year.

Feel free to explain to me how it was meant instead or that you've changed your mind (that's perfectly fine); but my comment was not based on nothing but on something you actually wrote right before season (as I pointed out – I never claimed that you made this statement in the past couple days).

[DCasey91]

If that's true and it's obvious then why didn't you believe that GSW had great depth before the season? After all, Porter and Bjelica have only played around one third of all possible minutes thus far – starters usually play around twice as much, including Gordon and Barton for the Nuggets this year.

Oh crap another GSW fan. Also when did I say that about the depth thing? Don’t you ever dare put words that I never said don’t ever do it. Not cool one warning that’s it. Some people need some spectacles and learn to read instead of looking for parts to misconstrued to their own narrow view of things. That’s a poor move for putting up a false statement and another for making up an assumption.

Hey how about you look above I just mentioned to stop downplaying the GSW depth.

‘One warning’ and ‘don't you dare’? What do you think you're doing with this kind of immature and childish posturing on an online messaging board? Your way of communicating really disqualifies you from any serious discussion as you seem to have a lot of growing up to do. Also, I'm an individual person with an individual comment, not ‘another GSW fan’ as if we're all the same and think/communicate alike.

Anyway, you shouldn't accuse me of putting words in your mouth when I'm not doing that.

Warriors don’t have the depth or the top end this year they are not contenders.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=94002512#p94002512

There you go. I believe that qualifies as not thinking that the Warriors have ‘great depth’ – which is exactly what I wrote. Players you seem to consider starter-level are playing one third of the minutes off the bench for the Warriors, so that looks like you'd have to believe they have great depth. Yet in October you point out that they have neither the depth nor the top end talent to be contenders this year.

Feel free to explain to me how it was meant instead or that you've changed your mind (that's perfectly fine); but my comment was not based on nothing but on something you actually wrote right before season (as I pointed out – I never claimed that you made this statement in the past couple days).

Full extract (not the lazy one line export)

2015:
Curry
Green
Thompson
Barnes
Iguodala
Bogut
Lee
Barbosa
Speights
Livingston

That team kills this one. List is deep with experience and has the top end.

Warriors don’t have the depth or the top end this year they are not contenders.

Since when does teenage rookies (Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman has a long way way to go to be even good) have any impact in the playoffs. They don’t

Context. That above is context. That above is a winning title team. I’ll stick by it

Please put in the full statement next time if you want to attempt such a thing. Done with you have a good one.

That’s twice now & that’s it. Bolded parts is your own imprinting which is not just weak it’s sub below par. You are doing that without realizing it. You have poor syntax please improve

Good luck with your endeavors whatever that may be.

[TwoStarz]

Oh crap another GSW fan. Also when did I say that about the depth thing? Don’t you ever dare put words that I never said don’t ever do it. Not cool one warning that’s it. Some people need some spectacles and learn to read instead of looking for parts to misconstrued to their own narrow view of things. That’s a poor move for putting up a false statement and another for making up an assumption.

Hey how about you look above I just mentioned to stop downplaying the GSW depth.

‘One warning’ and ‘don't you dare’? What do you think you're doing with this kind of immature and childish posturing on an online messaging board? Your way of communicating really disqualifies you from any serious discussion as you seem to have a lot of growing up to do. Also, I'm an individual person with an individual comment, not ‘another GSW fan’ as if we're all the same and think/communicate alike.

Anyway, you shouldn't accuse me of putting words in your mouth when I'm not doing that.

Warriors don’t have the depth or the top end this year they are not contenders.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=94002512#p94002512

There you go. I believe that qualifies as not thinking that the Warriors have ‘great depth’ – which is exactly what I wrote. Players you seem to consider starter-level are playing one third of the minutes off the bench for the Warriors, so that looks like you'd have to believe they have great depth. Yet in October you point out that they have neither the depth nor the top end talent to be contenders this year.

Feel free to explain to me how it was meant instead or that you've changed your mind (that's perfectly fine); but my comment was not based on nothing but on something you actually wrote right before season (as I pointed out – I never claimed that you made this statement in the past couple days).

Full extract (not the lazy one line export)

2015:
Curry
Green
Thompson
Barnes
Iguodala
Bogut
Lee
Barbosa
Speights
Livingston

That team kills this one. List is deep with experience and has the top end.

Warriors don’t have the depth or the top end this year they are not contenders.

Since when does teenage rookies (Moody, Kuminga, Wiseman has a long way way to go to be even good) have any impact in the playoffs. They don’t

Context. That above is context. That above is a winning title team. I’ll stick by it

Please put in the full statement next time if you want to attempt such a thing. Done with you have a good one.

That’s twice now & that’s it. Bolded parts is your own imprinting which is not just weak it’s sub below par. You are doing that without realizing it. You have poor syntax please improve

Good luck with your endeavors whatever that may be.

You are so disingenuous in your posts. Regardless of whether or not you think that 2015 team was better (you clearly thought way better), you also thought the 2021-2022 iteration was lacking top end talent and depth to be a contender. Which they have clearly proven, they are. You ALSO, somehow pointed out that Moody, kuminga and wiseman would be playing big/major roles on this team. Where was your evaluation of Porter and Bjelica then, good sir? Were they not good enough to be rotation pieces or did you not even know warriors depth chart before making that post?

Also regarding Poole, he joined the team half way through the season (After more games played so far, this season). Prior to that, Wannamaker was the warriors back-up point guard off the bench. In an attempt to have a discussion in good faith with you, I didn't include him when listing the roster. You clearly can't do the same.

You've displayed again and again, you have no idea what you're talking about in regards to the warriors.

If anyone should be tuned out of this discussion, its definitely you. Have a good day.

[GeorgeSears]

New poll came out and Steph is the unanimous favorite, followed by KD, Giannis and then Jokic. I get why Jokic is 4th because of the team record. The Nuggets will be a play-in team.

I don't really get why KD is above Giannis though. The Nets have no signature wins, Giannis is putting up better numbers, Bucks are only a game back from the Nets.

This is setting up to be a Derrick Rose-esque MVP for Steph.

[TwoStarz]

New poll came out and Steph is the unanimous favorite, followed by KD, Giannis and then Jokic. I get why Jokic is 4th because of the team record. The Nuggets will be a play-in team.

I don't really get why KD is above Giannis though. The Nets have no signature wins, Giannis is putting up better numbers, Bucks are only a game back from the Nets.

Because the Media loves KD.

Just saw your last edit...you have to be kidding, right?

Derrick Rose-esque mvp for a guy that is two time MVP already. Unless you mean by the voting discrepancy? I expect it to be a lot closer towards the end. We are only 25 games in.

[GeorgeSears]

New poll came out and Steph is the unanimous favorite, followed by KD, Giannis and then Jokic. I get why Jokic is 4th because of the team record. The Nuggets will be a play-in team.

I don't really get why KD is above Giannis though. The Nets have no signature wins, Giannis is putting up better numbers, Bucks are only a game back from the Nets.

Derrick Rose-esque mvp for a guy that is two time MVP already. Unless you mean by the voting discrepancy? I expect it to be a lot closer towards the end. We are only 25 games in.

D-Rose esque in the sense that it's mainly due to team record + voting discrepancy.

[TwoStarz]

New poll came out and Steph is the unanimous favorite, followed by KD, Giannis and then Jokic. I get why Jokic is 4th because of the team record. The Nuggets will be a play-in team.

I don't really get why KD is above Giannis though. The Nets have no signature wins, Giannis is putting up better numbers, Bucks are only a game back from the Nets.

Derrick Rose-esque mvp for a guy that is two time MVP already. Unless you mean by the voting discrepancy? I expect it to be a lot closer towards the end. We are only 25 games in.

D-Rose esque in the sense that it's mainly due to team record + voting discrepancy.

I can assure you this is nothing like D-Rose esque, but sure.

He would be a deserving candidate even if the warriors weren't the #1 overall seed

[Duke4life831]

Jokic is the best player but he's not repeating.

Curry and Giannis are the ones who will win the award.

This is exactly how I see it.

Jokic has been the best player this season so far, but youre not going to win the MVP with the team record that the Nuggets are on pace for having. That isnt a shot at Jokic's impact, just to the fact he literally has no help with that team.

That to me leaves Curry and Giannis as the current two favorites. Both playing on teams that are most likely going to end up with a top 2 seed in their conference and both playing unbelievably good basketball. I would then have KD behind those two.