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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#121 » by JRoy » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:03 am

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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#122 » by DaPessimist » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:20 am

I wouldn't trade CJ for Ben straight up. Simmons doesn't make them a title contender, and he comes with serious baggage.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#123 » by Spens1 » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:35 am

simplest deal that helps both teams is a deal around CJ McCollum for Ben Simmons (with pieces moving each way to balance salary and value).

McCollum playing the point in Philly will do them a world of good honestly and Simmons could play a small ball 5 or next to Nurkic as well and it gives Lillard less responsibility as a playmaker since Simmons will handle that (not that McCollum has been a poor distributor by any means).
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#124 » by BigGargamel » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:47 am

Jeez. Just trade McCollum for Simmons already and call it a day.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#125 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Dec 7, 2021 2:57 am

Lillard is unhappy with Portland. Philly would basically be bailing them out by trading them Simmons.

Philly should wait it out till Lillard demands out and go after the big fish. Simmons, Maxey, first rounders is a pretty good package.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#127 » by John Murdoch » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:40 am

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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#128 » by Myth » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:43 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Lillard is unhappy with Portland. Philly would basically be bailing them out by trading them Simmons.

Philly should wait it out till Lillard demands out and go after the big fish. Simmons, Maxey, first rounders is a pretty good package.

Except Lillard tweeted today indicating that he didn’t say he was unhappy as reported, saying people are just looking for drama.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#129 » by monopoman » Tue Dec 7, 2021 4:54 am

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Hello Brooklyn wrote:Lillard is unhappy with Portland. Philly would basically be bailing them out by trading them Simmons.

Philly should wait it out till Lillard demands out and go after the big fish. Simmons, Maxey, first rounders is a pretty good package.

Except Lillard tweeted today indicating that he didn’t say he was unhappy as reported, saying people are just looking for drama.


This narrative that The Sixers will have the best package by far if Lillard demands out is a joke. People are **** dreaming if they think they think that no other team will want to get in on a Lillard trade except the Sixers.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#130 » by Tottery » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:29 am

Lillard repeatedly keeps giving the indication he doesn't want to leave Portland, but wants the team better. If I were Morey, I'd take CJ and a bunch of first rounders. Trade the first rounders for a player or two. They are obviously worse without Simmons and I think CJ could at least elevate them back to where they were a year ago. He isn't afraid to shoot and can give you 20pts a game.

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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#131 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:51 am

Myth wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Lillard is unhappy with Portland. Philly would basically be bailing them out by trading them Simmons.

Philly should wait it out till Lillard demands out and go after the big fish. Simmons, Maxey, first rounders is a pretty good package.

Except Lillard tweeted today indicating that he didn’t say he was unhappy as reported, saying people are just looking for drama.


Either way I wait it out. Lillard has been frustrated for a while. Whether the latest report is true or not.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#132 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Dec 7, 2021 5:52 am

monopoman wrote:
Myth wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Lillard is unhappy with Portland. Philly would basically be bailing them out by trading them Simmons.

Philly should wait it out till Lillard demands out and go after the big fish. Simmons, Maxey, first rounders is a pretty good package.

Except Lillard tweeted today indicating that he didn’t say he was unhappy as reported, saying people are just looking for drama.


This narrative that The Sixers will have the best package by far if Lillard demands out is a joke. People are **** dreaming if they think they think that no other team will want to get in on a Lillard trade except the Sixers.


Please tell me what package you would get better than what the Sixers are offering? And which Dame would want to go to.

Simmoms, Maxey, 3 first rounders is more than enough.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#133 » by Scalabrine » Tue Dec 7, 2021 6:28 am

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Then the Sixers will keep Simmons for 4 years, as Morey has said, and Simmons will keep losing money. No problemo.

Simmons and Maxey for Lillard is doable, maybe.

But Simmons leaving the Sixers without Dame in return? Highly unlikely, unless the other team is fleeced of its first round picks and pick swaps for the next 3-5 years. We ain't desperate and are patient folk :)


Sixers fans/management love to say this but it's just not that simple. At the moment, the Sixers are a play-in team. In 4 seasons, Embiid will be 31-32 and you're not just gonna be able to wipe Simmons deal off the books and sign another max player, you're too far over the cap and guys will be up for extensions.

You have a big asset that won't play for you, but you can cash in and get someone that will and will help you win right now. That's not to say just take anything, but McCollum is a really good fit on that roster add in someone like Nance or Covington plus a pick (probably lotto protected) and you got:

Philly:
Embiid/Drummond/Nance
Harris/Nance/Niang
Green/Thybulle/Korkmaz
McCollum/Curry/Korkmaz
Maxey/Milton

PDX:
Nurkic/Zeller
Covington/Little
Powell/Snell/McLemore
Lillard/Simons/McLemore
Simmons/Lillard/Smith Jr.

Hem and haw all you want both teams get better and re-open their doors into contender status with this move.


Sixers are are a play in team cause they have the most missed games due to Covid. It’s simple as that.

Cj doesn’t move the needle.

Only reason Portland wants to trade cj is cause they have overlap of another small scoring guard in Powell to fill the CJ slot

Sixers are in desperate need of a true point guard. Cj isn’t that. And he barely plays defense. So Portland keeps Powell who plays better defense and probably do 90% of what cj does on offense. And get all world 1-4 defender/rebounder plus another primary ball handler in Simmons they desperately need.

Think who’s team is really benefiting the team.

The trade that makes the most sense for sixers is Tobias Harris for CJ trade. But Portland fans will be up in arms on that trade.


What do the Sixers get in the trade then?

Are you REALLY trying to argue that adding McCollum, one of Nance/Covington and a 1st rounder for someone who REFUSES TO PLAY FOR YOU, is not benefitting you? I'm sorry, but are you fu**ing high???

See the writing on the wall my man! Simmons ain't coming back, the best time to trade him is long gone. Who are you thinking is gonna come thats better??? You sound delusional!
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#134 » by Flash4thewin » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:02 am

monopoman wrote:
Myth wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Lillard is unhappy with Portland. Philly would basically be bailing them out by trading them Simmons.

Philly should wait it out till Lillard demands out and go after the big fish. Simmons, Maxey, first rounders is a pretty good package.

Except Lillard tweeted today indicating that he didn’t say he was unhappy as reported, saying people are just looking for drama.


This narrative that The Sixers will have the best package by far if Lillard demands out is a joke. People are **** dreaming if they think they think that no other team will want to get in on a Lillard trade except the Sixers.


Common sense. Who realistically can trade for him, give real value and still compete for a title? Lillard getting traded to a treadmill team makes no sense. The only other team that might be interested would be Boston, to have Lillard be Tatum side kick.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#135 » by XtremeDunkz » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:07 am

Myth wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Lillard is unhappy with Portland. Philly would basically be bailing them out by trading them Simmons.

Philly should wait it out till Lillard demands out and go after the big fish. Simmons, Maxey, first rounders is a pretty good package.

Except Lillard tweeted today indicating that he didn’t say he was unhappy as reported, saying people are just looking for drama.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#136 » by monopoman » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:45 am

Flash4thewin wrote:
monopoman wrote:
Myth wrote:Except Lillard tweeted today indicating that he didn’t say he was unhappy as reported, saying people are just looking for drama.


This narrative that The Sixers will have the best package by far if Lillard demands out is a joke. People are **** dreaming if they think they think that no other team will want to get in on a Lillard trade except the Sixers.


Common sense. Who realistically can trade for him, give real value and still compete for a title? Lillard getting traded to a treadmill team makes no sense. The only other team that might be interested would be Boston, to have Lillard be Tatum side kick.


The problem for the Blazers are they don't really want Simmons, he might be the hardest to build around all-star in the entire NBA. Now if some 3rd team could hypothetically get involved and give up value for Simmons it might work out, but until we see such a potential team arise I don't see this trade ever working.

The last thing the Blazers want is some guy that will win us more games than we would like throughout the next 3 years but is also extremely difficult to build around and refuses to work on anything he struggles with. If we trade Dame I want this team to suck for at least 3-4 years so we can get some high picks and get a nice core.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#137 » by kuclas » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:47 am

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kuclas wrote:
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Sixers fans/management love to say this but it's just not that simple. At the moment, the Sixers are a play-in team. In 4 seasons, Embiid will be 31-32 and you're not just gonna be able to wipe Simmons deal off the books and sign another max player, you're too far over the cap and guys will be up for extensions.

You have a big asset that won't play for you, but you can cash in and get someone that will and will help you win right now. That's not to say just take anything, but McCollum is a really good fit on that roster add in someone like Nance or Covington plus a pick (probably lotto protected) and you got:

Philly:
Embiid/Drummond/Nance
Harris/Nance/Niang
Green/Thybulle/Korkmaz
McCollum/Curry/Korkmaz
Maxey/Milton

PDX:
Nurkic/Zeller
Covington/Little
Powell/Snell/McLemore
Lillard/Simons/McLemore
Simmons/Lillard/Smith Jr.

Hem and haw all you want both teams get better and re-open their doors into contender status with this move.


Sixers are are a play in team cause they have the most missed games due to Covid. It’s simple as that.

Cj doesn’t move the needle.

Only reason Portland wants to trade cj is cause they have overlap of another small scoring guard in Powell to fill the CJ slot

Sixers are in desperate need of a true point guard. Cj isn’t that. And he barely plays defense. So Portland keeps Powell who plays better defense and probably do 90% of what cj does on offense. And get all world 1-4 defender/rebounder plus another primary ball handler in Simmons they desperately need.

Think who’s team is really benefiting the team.

The trade that makes the most sense for sixers is Tobias Harris for CJ trade. But Portland fans will be up in arms on that trade.


What do the Sixers get in the trade then?

Are you REALLY trying to argue that adding McCollum, one of Nance/Covington and a 1st rounder for someone who REFUSES TO PLAY FOR YOU, is not benefitting you? I'm sorry, but are you fu**ing high???

See the writing on the wall my man! Simmons ain't coming back, the best time to trade him is long gone. Who are you thinking is gonna come thats better??? You sound delusional!


Simmons can rot at home without pay. It’s as simple as that.

You don’t let players with long term max contracts dictate their own terms for their refusal to participate. Players may get away with this behavior with 1 year left or 2. Not with 4 years left.

In my opinion. When Simmons money situation starts to get tight. Guy spends a ton of money. He will break and forced to show up.

This CJ trade offer will always be on the table. So why the rush?

Portland is also wasting lillard prime. So who is the more desperate team? They aren’t gonna to go anywhere in playoffs either. So the line in the sand is drawn.

Only way I see any type of trade being done is if embiid goes down with season ending injury. Than Simmons will be traded. Cause embiid situation is the one who moves the sixers needle. Not adding CJ and subtracting Simmons.
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#138 » by TeamTragic » Tue Dec 7, 2021 7:50 am

Watch the Blazers trade for Simmons and after about 5 games Lillard demands a trade :lol:
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#139 » by Tomjas » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:05 am

GoranTragic wrote:Watch the Blazers trade for Simmons and after about 5 games Lillard demands a trade :lol:


Doesn’t Dame like winning?
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Re: Damian Lillard Wants Portland To Trade For Benjamin Simmons 

Post#140 » by Flash4thewin » Tue Dec 7, 2021 8:27 am

monopoman wrote:
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This narrative that The Sixers will have the best package by far if Lillard demands out is a joke. People are **** dreaming if they think they think that no other team will want to get in on a Lillard trade except the Sixers.


Common sense. Who realistically can trade for him, give real value and still compete for a title? Lillard getting traded to a treadmill team makes no sense. The only other team that might be interested would be Boston, to have Lillard be Tatum side kick.


The problem for the Blazers are they don't really want Simmons, he might be the hardest to build around all-star in the entire NBA. Now if some 3rd team could hypothetically get involved and give up value for Simmons it might work out, but until we see such a potential team arise I don't see this trade ever working.

The last thing the Blazers want is some guy that will win us more games than we would like throughout the next 3 years but is also extremely difficult to build around and refuses to work on anything he struggles with. If we trade Dame I want this team to suck for at least 3-4 years so we can get some high picks and get a nice core.


I dont know much about the Blazers attendance or market but do you think that region will tolerate a 3 year tank? Also to what level would you think they tank, like "TheProcess".

To build around Simmons is simple, just 3-D guys for the most part and have him attack with the rim. I could see the Wolves and Kings interested in Simmons. Some unprotected first round picks from either team would do wonders but remember Simmons might make them a playoff team. So it would be a risk. Also how would one even begin to attempt to sell that plan to the fans, hey we are going to rebuild but dont want Simmons so we will trade him for picks and say an expiring contract so the team has more cap space to help facilitate trades?

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