[Woj] Teams have described Sixers asking price for Simmons' as growing...

[DusterBuster]

That essentially seems to be what other teams are doing. They’re locking Morey out of getting the top 30 player he wants via a trade.

At this point, if that’s the return Morey wants, he’s gonna need to go about it a different way (get back picks and expiring contracts and sign the top 30 player via FA).

I mean don’t make any offers or try to trade for him ever. Let him rot for the duration of his contract then go to China or something.

You’re on drugs if you think Simmons isn’t getting close to a max contract once his contract expires.

Absolutely. He's not going to China or being out of the league. He's going to get a 20+ mil deal from some team with cap space, if not near a full max. Teams have paid lesser players that kind of money, they'll surely do it for Ben if it means they don't have to give up anything in a trade to Philly to get him.

[payton2kemp]

Whose more valuable? Fred Van Vleet or Simmons? Looks like its FVV by a mile!

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To be fair, that's just the Raptor fans. Largest fan base by a mile on RGM and they always pad the votes in any poll regarding a Raptor player or the team as a whole. Not even worth a grain of salt.

And it's on the Raptors board for gods sake... common man...

Its always good for a few laughs and entertainment!

[Brandon-Clyde]

I'm not a fan of what Morey is doing but this waiting has opened up more opportunities to trade Ben.

1. Atlanta Hawks underperforming, and regression of their defense might have opened up Hawks to a Ben Simmons trade, whereas at beginning of season there was no chance.

2. Beal and Lillard underperforming has brought their untouchable status down to a possible Ben Simmons trade, whereas at beginning of the season there was little chance. Realistically, I don't think WAS trades Beal, and Lillard getting abdominal surgery rules him out of a trade until offseason.

There's literally a number of articles I could find right now to prove the exact opposite.

Before the Lillard surgery, would Portland not consider blowing it up and trade Lillard for a package around Ben Simmons? Where Ben could sit out rest of this year to cure his "mental health issues" and Portland tank to a top lottery pick 2022?

Why would Portland trade an all NBA player for a head case that is refusing to play? If Portland traded a healthy Dame the player that they receive would need to be putting up good numbers immediately to avoid a fan revolt.

[iBall101]

I can see him getting traded for two role players and picks. Then, everyone saying wow what a high asking price lol

[Pointgod]

Not trying to **** post, but one thing I'm learning from this situation is that Morey and 76ers fans are delusional. Simmons aint coming back and teams are not going to give you the type of player you want for him. Legit wasting Embiid's precious years.

Someone talked about the Hawks and other teams being desperate because they're on the playoff cusp...what are you gonna get from those teams that makes you title favorites? Young and others aren't going anywhere.

This will end with a trade package of a bunch of mediocre players and picks for Simmons sitting out for seasons. Whole thing is goofy. They tried hard as hell to trade Simmons for Harden and that fell through. Most teams move players that are disgruntled, this is simply Morey trying to flex and force a move on Simmons that will not come. He will never play for the 76ers on home court again.

The thing is that a trade with the Hawks is within the realm of possibility and the Sixers would get good players and picks but Morey is an idiot by putting a stake in the ground saying they’d only trade Simmons for a top 25 player and he’s willing to wait four years. Literally anyone look at the NBA landscape and see this was a laughable attempt at posturing and the more time moved on, the less likely the idea of getting a top 25 player was going to happen.

[DusterBuster]

Not trying to **** post, but one thing I'm learning from this situation is that Morey and 76ers fans are delusional. Simmons aint coming back and teams are not going to give you the type of player you want for him. Legit wasting Embiid's precious years.

Someone talked about the Hawks and other teams being desperate because they're on the playoff cusp...what are you gonna get from those teams that makes you title favorites? Young and others aren't going anywhere.

This will end with a trade package of a bunch of mediocre players and picks for Simmons or him sitting out for seasons. Whole thing is goofy. They tried hard as hell to trade Simmons for Harden and that fell through. Most teams move players that are disgruntled, this is simply Morey trying to flex and force a move on Simmons that will not come. He will never play for the 76ers on home court again.

I think this might be their last-ditch plan, still ending up with Harden in the summer. What Windhorst said he was hearing from sources does make the most logical sense given what options they have left. If Harden resigns in Brooklyn though, then Morey is really SOL and needs to just take what we can get because he will have gone bust with his bluff.

[DusterBuster]

Not trying to **** post, but one thing I'm learning from this situation is that Morey and 76ers fans are delusional. Simmons aint coming back and teams are not going to give you the type of player you want for him. Legit wasting Embiid's precious years.

Someone talked about the Hawks and other teams being desperate because they're on the playoff cusp...what are you gonna get from those teams that makes you title favorites? Young and others aren't going anywhere.

This will end with a trade package of a bunch of mediocre players and picks for Simmons sitting out for seasons. Whole thing is goofy. They tried hard as hell to trade Simmons for Harden and that fell through. Most teams move players that are disgruntled, this is simply Morey trying to flex and force a move on Simmons that will not come. He will never play for the 76ers on home court again.

The thing is that a trade with the Hawks is within the realm of possibility and the Sixers would get good players and picks but Morey is an idiot by putting a stake in the ground saying they’d only trade Simmons for a top 25 player and he’s willing to wait four years. Literally anyone look at the NBA landscape and see this was a laughable attempt at posturing and the more time moved on, the less likely the idea of getting a top 25 player was going to happen.

Morey only has a few plays here. The trade avenue is DOA. Beal, Lillard, Brown, etc... that's not happening or it would have happened already. He's not willing to take the Bogdonovic's or McCollum's of the NBA in return. So his last resort is FA. Either he has to dump the salaries of both Simmons and Harris right now or he has to hope he can swing a S&T deal with the Nets for Harden.

[Brandon-Clyde]

I like it. Teams are becoming desperate, and will become even more desperate as the playoffs near and some are on the cusp.

If that strategy doesn't work, there's always draft day and the off-season.

Ben was hoping to jet outta Philly. That ain't happenin, cuz. You gonna stay till the franchise is the benefactor, not you

Which? Which teams are becoming desperate?

In the East, the Wizards are 9th, Celtics are 10th, Hawks are 12th. All out of the playoffs currently and expected to make the playoffs before the season started. There's pressure to perform there and change things up.

In the West, the Timberwolves are 9th, Spurs are 10th, Kings are 12th and Pelicans are 13th. All teams that are performing less than expected before the season started, so the expectations were high and actual results are low.

That's 7 teams right there. And the number will grow the closer we get to the playoffs. Somebody will panac at the trade deadline, guaranteed.

Even if those teams were desperate that doesn't necessarily mean that they want Simmons or are desperate enough to pay Morey's asking price. Those "desperate" teams could also trade with each other( Beal for Brown for example).

[jbk1234]

If the Sixers are able to snatch one of: Jaylen Brown, Anthony Edwards, Bradley Beal, Brandon Ingram, Dame Lillard ... that's 6 players right there who I'd consider top 25.

All are on struggling teams out of the playoffs. All probably not very happy right now. Stranger things have happened in NBA trades, especially if someone sweetens the deal a little. All it takes is for one of those guys to say something or be discontent with their current team, and then who knows...

Pretty sure the Wolves are in the playoffs and Celtics are in the play-in.

Meanwhile, the Lillard and Beal have said nothing about wanting to leave and their respective teams have been completely steadfast in saying they have no intention of trading them and want to continue building around them. Keep hanging your hat on that dream there buddy...

You Sixer fans who are so stuck on the idea of getting Lillard, Tatum, Brown, or Beal in a direct Simmons deal are just cringe-worthy embarrassing. Think out of a box a little more. As I've been saying, if the Sixers really want a guy of that caliber, they're better off doing it by other means like FA vs trying to do it via trade because the teams you guys keep bringing up time and time and time again aren't interested in it.

Dump salary and then take a swing at James Harden this summer... that's a far more realistic way for Morey and you Sixer fans to get the quality of player you want than this trade pipedream you all are smoking.

The issue with both Beal and Dame is how much do their teams want to keep them at this point?

Especially with Beal. The privilege of signing him to a supermax isn't all that appealing. Even a standard 5 year max is a dicey proposition.

[everdiso]

Man, some of you people are just making this **** up as you go, aren't you?

Come on man you can't tell me that teams like BOS ATL LAL POR etc aren't much more motivated to make this kind of big deal than they were coming into the year.

you think those teams want Simmons MORE now than in October?!?!?!

I don't think their opinion of Simmons has changed at all since October.

But I sure know a whole bunch of them are way way less comfortable about their own team and players (and job security) than they were in October.

[Tottery]

Not trying to **** post, but one thing I'm learning from this situation is that Morey and 76ers fans are delusional. Simmons aint coming back and teams are not going to give you the type of player you want for him. Legit wasting Embiid's precious years.

Someone talked about the Hawks and other teams being desperate because they're on the playoff cusp...what are you gonna get from those teams that makes you title favorites? Young and others aren't going anywhere.

This will end with a trade package of a bunch of mediocre players and picks for Simmons or him sitting out for seasons. Whole thing is goofy. They tried hard as hell to trade Simmons for Harden and that fell through. Most teams move players that are disgruntled, this is simply Morey trying to flex and force a move on Simmons that will not come. He will never play for the 76ers on home court again.

I think this might be their last-ditch plan, still ending up with Harden in the summer. What Windhorst said he was hearing from sources does make the most logical sense given what options they have left. If Harden resigns in Brooklyn though, then Morey is really SOL and needs to just take what we can get because he will have gone bust with his bluff.

I don't believe they'll let Harden walk. They'll trade part time Kyrie to get him paid somehow. Even if the stars aligned and the 76ers got Kyrie for Simmons...they wouldn't be favorites in the East. I predict, this whole thing will end with Morey losing his job.

[Balls Deep]

That essentially seems to be what other teams are doing. They’re locking Morey out of getting the top 30 player he wants via a trade.

At this point, if that’s the return Morey wants, he’s gonna need to go about it a different way (get back picks and expiring contracts and sign the top 30 player via FA).

I mean don’t make any offers or try to trade for him ever. Let him rot for the duration of his contract then go to China or something.

You’re on drugs if you think Simmons isn’t getting close to a max contract once his contract expires.

He should get punished for being a little bitch and disrespecting the game. No one has ever done this ****.

[Pointgod]

Not trying to **** post, but one thing I'm learning from this situation is that Morey and 76ers fans are delusional. Simmons aint coming back and teams are not going to give you the type of player you want for him. Legit wasting Embiid's precious years.

Someone talked about the Hawks and other teams being desperate because they're on the playoff cusp...what are you gonna get from those teams that makes you title favorites? Young and others aren't going anywhere.

This will end with a trade package of a bunch of mediocre players and picks for Simmons sitting out for seasons. Whole thing is goofy. They tried hard as hell to trade Simmons for Harden and that fell through. Most teams move players that are disgruntled, this is simply Morey trying to flex and force a move on Simmons that will not come. He will never play for the 76ers on home court again.

The thing is that a trade with the Hawks is within the realm of possibility and the Sixers would get good players and picks but Morey is an idiot by putting a stake in the ground saying they’d only trade Simmons for a top 25 player and he’s willing to wait four years. Literally anyone look at the NBA landscape and see this was a laughable attempt at posturing and the more time moved on, the less likely the idea of getting a top 25 player was going to happen.

Morey only has a few plays here. The trade avenue is DOA. Beal, Lillard, Brown, etc... that's not happening or it would have happened already. He's not willing to take the Bogdonovic's or McCollum's of the NBA in return. So his last resort is FA. Either he has to dump the salaries of both Simmons and Harris right now or he has to hope he can swing a S&T deal with the Nets for Harden.

Well I think there’s a discussion that could be had around John Collins, although I’m not sure if there’s appetite from the Hawks perspective. Hypothetically, Collins + picks and assets is a hell of a deal for someone who’s literally refusing to play for you, but I doubt Morey would pull the trigger because he wouldn’t be able to tell everyone how smart he is and he was right that he’d get a top 25 player for Simmons. I’m 100% convinced it’s ego driving his decision making at this point. Which is why we get articles saying that the price for Simmons has inexplicably gone up. And Harden seems like an absolute pipe dream unless the Nets foolishly decide to offer him less money.

[HomoSapien]

The Sixers are really banking on someone making a desperation trade for Simmons. Hard to see it happening, but you never know. Except here, where we know it won’t happen.

[God Squad]

Whose more valuable? Fred Van Vleet or Simmons? Looks like its FVV by a mile!

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2155908

To be fair, that's just the Raptor fans. Largest fan base by a mile on RGM and they always pad the votes in any poll regarding a Raptor player or the team as a whole. Not even worth a grain of salt.

And it's on the Raptors board for gods sake... common man...

His troll attempt failed.

[God Squad]

I don't see this ending well for the Sixers.

[payton2kemp]

Whose more valuable? Fred Van Vleet or Simmons? Looks like its FVV by a mile!

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2155908

To be fair, that's just the Raptor fans. Largest fan base by a mile on RGM and they always pad the votes in any poll regarding a Raptor player or the team as a whole. Not even worth a grain of salt.

And it's on the Raptors board for gods sake... common man...

His troll attempt failed.

You guys are delusional, lol keep living in lala land where FVV is worth more than Simmons. Thats why Raptors fans are the laughing stock of this board. Reading the Raptors boards is pure comedy.

[Fencer reregistered]

I don't think it's Morey I think it's more the Sixers management group(Philadelphia is an historic franchise).

That said too many teams(10 in the West/12 in the East) are still in the race for a play-in spot. If the play-in wasn't invented maybe teams would be less gun shy about trading.

Did you mean "ownership"?

If so, why?

[God Squad]

To be fair, that's just the Raptor fans. Largest fan base by a mile on RGM and they always pad the votes in any poll regarding a Raptor player or the team as a whole. Not even worth a grain of salt.

And it's on the Raptors board for gods sake... common man...

His troll attempt failed.

You guys are delusional, lol keep living in lala land where FVV is worth more than Simmons. Thats why Raptors fans are the laughing stock of this board. Reading the Raptors boards is pure comedy.

Rent free

[SNPA]

Not trying to **** post, but one thing I'm learning from this situation is that Morey and 76ers fans are delusional. Simmons aint coming back and teams are not going to give you the type of player you want for him. Legit wasting Embiid's precious years.

Someone talked about the Hawks and other teams being desperate because they're on the playoff cusp...what are you gonna get from those teams that makes you title favorites? Young and others aren't going anywhere.

This will end with a trade package of a bunch of mediocre players and picks for Simmons sitting out for seasons. Whole thing is goofy. They tried hard as hell to trade Simmons for Harden and that fell through. Most teams move players that are disgruntled, this is simply Morey trying to flex and force a move on Simmons that will not come. He will never play for the 76ers on home court again.

The thing is that a trade with the Hawks is within the realm of possibility and the Sixers would get good players and picks but Morey is an idiot by putting a stake in the ground saying they’d only trade Simmons for a top 25 player and he’s willing to wait four years. Literally anyone look at the NBA landscape and see this was a laughable attempt at posturing and the more time moved on, the less likely the idea of getting a top 25 player was going to happen.

Morey only has a few plays here. The trade avenue is DOA. Beal, Lillard, Brown, etc... that's not happening or it would have happened already. He's not willing to take the Bogdonovic's or McCollum's of the NBA in return. So his last resort is FA. Either he has to dump the salaries of both Simmons and Harris right now or he has to hope he can swing a S&T deal with the Nets for Harden.

Agreed.

The paths to a superstar for Morey.

1-Trade Ben (+) for one

2-Trade Ben (+) for a package he can add to, trade that for one

3-Use Ben to dump Harris and co to have max cap space and sign one

Seems the first one would have happened, but I guess there’s a chance at the deadline.

The second option has a lot of elements and things outside Morey’s ability to control or predict.

The third one could be the cleanest path. Especially if Morey has backdoor communication.