Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC

[Ballerhogger]

Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

he played the magic...
Nuggets played a playoff team

Not just that, but he played against Mo Bamba. The guy whose team plays better defensively when he sits.

mo bamba was one fire

[ty 4191]

You play to win the game mate.
Nobody plays just to play.

And no, rings aren't the only argument.
His entire playoffs runs during the time can't be undervalued because you don't like the argument.

Secondy.The Hack a Shaq was a tactic created to stop Shaq.
Just like the Jordan Rules.
And the Giannis Wall.
Players of this caliber can do that to a whole league.

Jokic isn't there yet. He can go tho.
Don't speak to me like i discredit him.
I am rooting for him for years.

He'll probably never get there, no matter how awesome he is, if he has to say on the Nuggets.

I'm not saying Shaq wasn't awesome in the Finals. I'm saying he got to the Finals only because he had drastically better teammates than Jokic has had, overall.

The strength of his teammates is not Jokic' fault and you can't attribute it to him.

Same thing with Wilt Chamberlain, who was quite clearly the MVP of the NBA from 1960-1966. Not his fault, either.

Same thing with Mike Trout, who has been the best baseball player (also by a wide margin) the past decade.

Hopefully he gets to a better team, or the Nuggets improve in some magical and watershed way, and, soon.

That's why "Chips" always has been and always will be a faulty, unfair premise and basis for ranking players.

[bebopdeluxe]

Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

Jokic did something only 2 other centers in history have ever done, many more have put up 50 point games.

Last night, Embiid had the eighth most productive game (points scored per minute played) IN NBA HISTORY.

Not of "all centers". OF ALL PLAYERS.

And of course, this elite scoring is not thing new, as Embiid is the most productive per-36 minutes scorer OF ANY PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY.

Embiid - 0.81 ppm per 36

MICHAEL JORDAN - 0.79 ppm per 36

Seriously. Embiid would have scored SEVENTY points last night if they didn't take him out because the game was in hand.

And please stop with the "at least the Nuggets played a playoff team" ish. You know people can read a box score...right?

You say "Bamba got 32". I say "Zubac got 32". And who the f was playing for the Clippers? Reggie Jackson? What has he ever done? The team that the Nuggets had to go to OT AT HOME to beat will be lucky to be a play-in team. But you know that.

While I know I participate in these "Embiid vs Jokic" threads, I would be THRILLED if the mods BANNED any future threads on the GB about these two guys. it is SO F'K'N TIRING to deal with.

[KGtabake]

You play to win the game mate.
Nobody plays just to play.

And no, rings aren't the only argument.
His entire playoffs runs during the time can't be undervalued because you don't like the argument.

Secondy.The Hack a Shaq was a tactic created to stop Shaq.
Just like the Jordan Rules.
And the Giannis Wall.
Players of this caliber can do that to a whole league.

Jokic isn't there yet. He can go tho.
Don't speak to me like i discredit him.
I am rooting for him for years.

He'll probably never get there, no matter how awesome he is, if he has to say on the Nuggets.

I'm not saying Shaq wasn't awesome in the Finals. I'm saying he got to the Finals only because he had drastically better teammates than Jokic has had, overall.

The strength of his teammates is not Jokic' fault and you can't attribute it to him.

Same thing with Wilt Chamberlain, who was quite clearly the MVP of the NBA from 1960-1966. Not his fault, either.

Same thing with Mike Trout, who has been the best baseball player (also by a wide margin) the past decade.

Hopefully he gets to a better team, or the Nuggets improve in some magical and watershed way, and, soon.

That's why "Chips" always has been and always will be a faulty, unfair premise and basis for ranking players.

Same things were said for Giannis.
He plays for Milwaukee.
He played for years under Jason Kidd.
He had oj mayo, brandon knight and Larry Sanders as stars of the team at the beginning.
The guy who was considered his co star for the future(Jabari Parker) tore his ACL twice.
The team was making one mistake after another in their attempts to surround him(Michael carter Williams, greg Monroe, eric bledsoe, letting Malcolm Brogdon go).

Way too many similarities.
Jokic doesn't hit me as a quitter.
So, there's no reason to believe he can't do it with Denver.

[ty 4191]

Jokic doesn't hit me as a quitter.
So, there's no reason to believe he can't do it with Denver.

I just hope you're right. According to FiveThirtyEight, Denver actually would the best team in the NBA during the playoffs this year at full strength (sans injuries).

That said, they still have less than a 1/25 chance to win the Finals.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-predictions/

Also, skill wise, Shaq was never as talented (or as valuable) as Jokic has been the last two seasons.

Shaq just had much better teammates.

[KGtabake]

Jokic doesn't hit me as a quitter.
So, there's no reason to believe he can't do it with Denver.

I just hope you're right. According to FiveThirtyEight, Denver actually would the best team in the NBA during the playoffs this year at full strength (sans injuries).

That said, they still have less than a 1/25 chance to win the Finals.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-predictions/

Also, skill wise, Shaq was never as talented (or as valuable) as Jokic has been the last two seasons.

Shaq just had much better teammates.

I will be right, just like i was right with Giannis a few years earlier.
These guys are grown different. They have a tough background and their rise has been solid through difficulties.

Shaq...You must remember that the game was different back then.
Shaq was a very good passer for his era. Probably the best of bigs(sans Sabonis).
He had a great touch around the rim, he could run the fastbreak if he was given the opportunity and when engaged he was a menace in defense too.
He didn't play like Jokic(who did?) but there was no need for point centers back then.

Also keep in mind that teams like the Blazers and the Kings at the dawn of '00s were probably much better teams than the ones ruling the West now.

[mcmurphy]

Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

Jokic did something only 2 other centers in history have ever done, many more have put up 50 point games.

Last night, Embiid had the eighth most productive game (points scored per minute played) IN NBA HISTORY.

Not of "all centers". OF ALL PLAYERS.

And of course, this elite scoring is not thing new, as Embiid is the most productive per-36 minutes scorer OF ANY PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY.

Embiid - 0.81 ppm per 36

MICHAEL JORDAN - 0.79 ppm per 36

Seriously. Embiid would have scored SEVENTY points last night if they didn't take him out because the game was in hand.

And please stop with the "at least the Nuggets played a playoff team" ish. You know people can read a box score...right?

You say "Bamba got 32". I say "Zubac got 32". And who the f was playing for the Clippers? Reggie Jackson? What has he ever done? The team that the Nuggets had to go to OT AT HOME to beat will be lucky to be a play-in team. But you know that.

While I know I participate in these "Embiid vs Jokic" threads, I would be THRILLED if the mods BANNED any future threads on the GB about these two guys. it is SO F'K'N TIRING to deal with.

Is not only Offense and Defense... is more Score, Playmaking and Defence

Jokic has +40% of touches of Embiid... more of Harden and Doncic without stopping the flow of ball movements.
This in a body of 290lb.
Do you think carrying that playmaking load is not significant/tiring?

[Madhouse]

You play to win the game mate.
Nobody plays just to play.

And no, rings aren't the only argument.
His entire playoffs runs during the time can't be undervalued because you don't like the argument.

Secondy.The Hack a Shaq was a tactic created to stop Shaq.
Just like the Jordan Rules.
And the Giannis Wall.
Players of this caliber can do that to a whole league.

Jokic isn't there yet. He can go tho.
Don't speak to me like i discredit him.
I am rooting for him for years.

He'll probably never get there, no matter how awesome he is, if he has to say on the Nuggets.

I'm not saying Shaq wasn't awesome in the Finals. I'm saying he got to the Finals only because he had drastically better teammates than Jokic has had, overall.

The strength of his teammates is not Jokic' fault and you can't attribute it to him.

Same thing with Wilt Chamberlain, who was quite clearly the MVP of the NBA from 1960-1966. Not his fault, either.

Same thing with Mike Trout, who has been the best baseball player (also by a wide margin) the past decade.

Hopefully he gets to a better team, or the Nuggets improve in some magical and watershed way, and, soon.

That's why "Chips" always has been and always will be a faulty, unfair premise and basis for ranking players.

Same things were said for Giannis.
He plays for Milwaukee.
He played for years under Jason Kidd.
He had oj mayo, brandon knight and Larry Sanders as stars of the team at the beginning.
The guy who was considered his co star for the future(Jabari Parker) tore his ACL twice.
The team was making one mistake after another in their attempts to surround him(Michael carter Williams, greg Monroe, eric bledsoe, letting Malcolm Brogdon go).

Way too many similarities.
Jokic doesn't hit me as a quitter.
So, there's no reason to believe he can't do it with Denver.

If Jokic ever wants to get his due he needs to leave and team up with another megastar.

[bebopdeluxe]

Jokic did something only 2 other centers in history have ever done, many more have put up 50 point games.

Last night, Embiid had the eighth most productive game (points scored per minute played) IN NBA HISTORY.

Not of "all centers". OF ALL PLAYERS.

And of course, this elite scoring is not thing new, as Embiid is the most productive per-36 minutes scorer OF ANY PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY.

Embiid - 0.81 ppm per 36

MICHAEL JORDAN - 0.79 ppm per 36

Seriously. Embiid would have scored SEVENTY points last night if they didn't take him out because the game was in hand.

And please stop with the "at least the Nuggets played a playoff team" ish. You know people can read a box score...right?

You say "Bamba got 32". I say "Zubac got 32". And who the f was playing for the Clippers? Reggie Jackson? What has he ever done? The team that the Nuggets had to go to OT AT HOME to beat will be lucky to be a play-in team. But you know that.

While I know I participate in these "Embiid vs Jokic" threads, I would be THRILLED if the mods BANNED any future threads on the GB about these two guys. it is SO F'K'N TIRING to deal with.

Is not only Offense and Defense... is more Score, Playmaking and Defence

Jokic has +40% of touches of Embiid... more of Harden and Doncic without stopping the flow of ball movements.
This in a body of 290lb.
Do you think carrying that playmaking load is not significant/tiring?

Have you even watched the Sixers play at all this season? Huh?

Embiid is averaging over 4 assists a game - which is 2nd among centers behind Jokic and by far a career high. Another change this season is Embiid grabbing a rebound and bringing it up himself - another thing that Jokic does both frequently and well.

Is Embiid the facilitator and playmaker that Jokic is? Of course not. But he is light-years better than he has bee inthe past, and it is reflected in the numbers.

So, you get the scoring at a truly historic level - the most productive points-per-minute player in NBA history - along with a materially better passing/facilitator...and you also get this:

https://sixerswire.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2021/11/Joel-Embiid-3.jpg?w=1024&h=576&crop=1

[Infinite Llamas]

Shaq. He didn't win 3 consecutive finals MVPs for nothing. His RS+playoffs runs from '00-'02 is one of the 3-4 highest peaks ever.

So, "chips" is the argument. Typical.

Ipso facto, Wilt Chamberlain wasn't one of the top few players in NBA history through 1965-1966?

You play to win the game mate.
Nobody plays just to play.

And no, rings aren't the only argument.
His entire playoffs runs during the time can't be undervalued because you don't like the argument.

Secondy.The Hack a Shaq was a tactic created to stop Shaq.
Just like the Jordan Rules.
And the Giannis Wall.
Players of this caliber can do that to a whole league.

Jokic isn't there yet. He can go tho.
Don't speak to me like i discredit him.
I am rooting for him for years.

More and more teams using the Jokic Front now. Denying him the pass in the post is a teams best chance these days. When more than one team uses the same tactic, you can tell that defenses are being designed to stop one guy. Happened with Jordan and Shaq. Happened with Giannis. It’s happening with Jokic now.

[Hobo4President]

Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

Jokic did something only 2 other centers in history have ever done, many more have put up 50 point games.

Last night, Embiid had the eighth most productive game (points scored per minute played) IN NBA HISTORY.

Not of "all centers". OF ALL PLAYERS.

And of course, this elite scoring is not thing new, as Embiid is the most productive per-36 minutes scorer OF ANY PLAYER IN NBA HISTORY.

Embiid - 0.81 ppm per 36

MICHAEL JORDAN - 0.79 ppm per 36

Seriously. Embiid would have scored SEVENTY points last night if they didn't take him out because the game was in hand.

And please stop with the "at least the Nuggets played a playoff team" ish. You know people can read a box score...right?

You say "Bamba got 32". I say "Zubac got 32". And who the f was playing for the Clippers? Reggie Jackson? What has he ever done? The team that the Nuggets had to go to OT AT HOME to beat will be lucky to be a play-in team. But you know that.

While I know I participate in these "Embiid vs Jokic" threads, I would be THRILLED if the mods BANNED any future threads on the GB about these two guys. it is SO F'K'N TIRING to deal with.

Agreed. The Embiid stans have very bad arguments.

[Pachinko_]

You play to win the game mate.
Nobody plays just to play.

Winning the game is really, really easy, all he has to do is change teams.
That's why nobody cares.

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[Cubbies2120]

I'm imagining the Embiid fans last night getting all excited about the 50 point game (which was incredible, don't get me wrong, best scoring outburst this year from any player), but then having to watch Jokic put up an even more impressive performance, on national television.

You want to talk about extrapolating "if he played more he'd have 70 pts", well, Jokic dropped 11/5 and a gamewinning assist in a 5 minute overtime session, after playing 36 minutes in a closely contested match. He woulda dropped 60/30/20 if he was fresh, amirite?!

[Roscoe Sheed]

I'm imagining the Embiid fans last night getting all excited about the 50 point game (which was incredible, don't get me wrong, best scoring outburst this year from any player), but then having to watch Jokic put up an even more impressive performance, on national television.

You want to talk about extrapolating "if he played more he'd have 70 pts", well, Jokic dropped 11/5 and a gamewinning assist in a 5 minute overtime session, after playing 36 minutes in a closely contested match. He woulda dropped 60/30/20 if he was fresh, amirite?!

Impressive for sure. However, the Nuggets were playing the Clippers B team and could barely beat them.

Although Orlando is certainly no league juggernaut either

[KGtabake]

You play to win the game mate.
Nobody plays just to play.

Winning the game is really, really easy, all he has to do is change teams.
That's why nobody cares.

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And that's why Hakeem and Dirk are the greatest internationals ever in the NBA, where Pau fell short.

[Cubbies2120]

I'm imagining the Embiid fans last night getting all excited about the 50 point game (which was incredible, don't get me wrong, best scoring outburst this year from any player), but then having to watch Jokic put up an even more impressive performance, on national television.

You want to talk about extrapolating "if he played more he'd have 70 pts", well, Jokic dropped 11/5 and a gamewinning assist in a 5 minute overtime session, after playing 36 minutes in a closely contested match. He woulda dropped 60/30/20 if he was fresh, amirite?!

Impressive for sure. However, the Nuggets were playing the Clippers B team and could barely beat them.

Although Orlando is certainly no league juggernaut either

That Clippers B-team also beat the Eastern Conference favorites just a couple weeks ago (with KD/Harden).

[Roscoe Sheed]

It's is astounding that Jokic hasn't received more criticism for his terrible temper.

Markieff Morris still hasn't played a game since his cowardly push in the back has he? More punishment was warranted for such unsportsmanlike and boorish behavior.

His reputation should be more tarnished than it is.

[AdagioPace]

It's is astounding that Jokic hasn't received more criticism for his terrible temper.

Markieff Morris still hasn't played a game since his cowardly push in the back has he? More punishment was warranted for such unsportsmanlike and boorish behavior.

His reputation should be more tarnished than it is.

"terrible temper" ....such an overreaction
He reacted to a provocation. It ended right there. Also, nobody cares anymore because it's been a long time and it has nothing to do with the triple double.

[Raps in 4]

1. Jokic
2. Steph
3. Giannis
4. Luka

[Roscoe Sheed]

It's is astounding that Jokic hasn't received more criticism for his terrible temper.

Markieff Morris still hasn't played a game since his cowardly push in the back has he? More punishment was warranted for such unsportsmanlike and boorish behavior.

His reputation should be more tarnished than it is.

"terrible temper" ....such an overreaction
He reacted to a provocation. It ended right there. Also, nobody cares anymore because it's been a long time and it has nothing to do with the triple double.

it's not just that incident- totally unjustifiable to shove a guy in the back by the way.
He also frequently blows up at the refs and should get more techs. In fact, he should have been kicked out of last night's game. He got one tech and then immediately started yelling in the ref's face. What a disgrace.

For example, I totally condemned Beverley for his horrendous shove of CP3. All Nuggets fans should also condemn Jokic for what he did to Markieff- and the consequences were worse physically for Markieff than CP3.