After further review, I'm starting to shade LA's 2020 title

TheLand13 · Post #121 » by **TheLand13** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 7:57 pm

I will always agree that the 2020 title was LeBron's weakest. It had the least amount of adversity in terms of talent to play against and it was the one time LeBron won the title where his team was a clear head and shoulders above the competition.

But I will never take any argument seriously that tries to claim that the title isn't legit.

Shock Defeat · Post #122 » by **Shock Defeat** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:00 pm

C3H6N6O6 wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:They won a title and then failed miserably every other year. This shows to me that the ring was fairly flukey and suspect.

This. I think the same about 2011 Mavericks. Winning the title, then 7th seed and then 10th seed.

The Mavericks were actually good for a long time though leading up to 2011. Not the same situation at all.

jirrit · Post #123 » by **jirrit** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:37 pm

As a LAL-hater I still think you gotta give credit where it’s due. Circumstances were like they were. They won.

TravisScott55 · Post #124 » by **TravisScott55** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:38 pm

NBA definitely has the youngest and most immature fanbase.

DonaldSanders · Post #125 » by **DonaldSanders** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:41 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:Poll above and share your thoughts below.

All titles are legit, but some titles are worth more than others in terms of how impressive they are. I think you're going too far in thinking it's not "legit" -- but I do think it's a title that isn't worth as much as some other titles. Raptors for example with all of the GS injuries is just as legit, but I don't find it to be that impressive of a title. Curry's first chip is legit, but there were injuries in the Finals.

I'm most impressed by titles where teams had to go through an extremely difficult gauntlet to win it. This Lakers 2020 title doesn't fit that criteria with all the stuff you mentioned, but I'm not dismissing it as not legit or something. It's just not in that upper half or possibly not in the upper 2/3rds of titles.

I think it's better to try to mentally rank difficulty/impressiveness of titles rather than just hard categorize them as legit or not.

Slim Charlez · Post #126 » by **Slim Charlez** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:42 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:
C3H6N6O6 wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:They won a title and then failed miserably every other year. This shows to me that the ring was fairly flukey and suspect.

This. I think the same about 2011 Mavericks. Winning the title, then 7th seed and then 10th seed.

The Mavericks were actually good for a long time though leading up to 2011. Not the same situation at all.

From 07 to 2011 they only got out of the first round once and haven't been out of the first round since.

ReddoverKobe · Post #127 » by **ReddoverKobe** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 8:42 pm

It was a one off we will never see again but you cant say its not legit.

falcolombardi · Post #128 » by **falcolombardi** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:00 pm

"ring doesnt count, they wouldnt have won if they were not healthy" Lmao

theforumblue · Post #129 » by **theforumblue** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:22 pm

we all know only like 3 of lakers rings are "legit" and even on those there was someone on the other team who had a mild ankle sprain.

Haldi · Post #130 » by **Haldi** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:23 pm

Sofia wrote:
apollyon wrote:
Sofia wrote:Cool, can we review the asterisk circumstances for every title now?

Every season there are circumstances that teams either benefit or don't benefit from... a wild concept I know

Watch on YouTube

It's already been done

This is your only post in nearly 11.5 years!?

Its a high quality post, funny ass video, could even say 11.5 years in the making

“Also MJ pushed off” lol

Stalwart · Post #131 » by **Stalwart** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:28 pm

The people saying it's legit are mainly doing so out of a moral code they have for themselves where they disavow asterisks outright. They just feel as tho it is improper and disrespectful to the team or player in question. And that's fine.

But...in their heart of hearts they know...the 2020 title is ILLEGITIMATE.

Slim Charlez · Post #132 » by **Slim Charlez** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:33 pm

Stalwart wrote:The people saying it's legit are mainly doing so out of a moral code they have for themselves where they disavow asterisks outright. They just feel as tho it is improper and disrespectful to the team or player in question. And that's fine.

But...in their heart of hearts they know...the 2020 title is ILLEGITIMATE.

And the people saying it's not are only doing it because they hate a guy they've never even met. Sad ****.

Bruh Man · Post #133 » by **Bruh Man** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:35 pm

Stalwart wrote:The people saying it's legit are mainly doing so out of a moral code they have for themselves where they disavow asterisks outright. They just feel as tho it is improper and disrespectful to the team or player in question. And that's fine.

But...in their heart of hearts they know...the 2020 title is ILLEGITIMATE.

How so? they had the best record in the West and didn't even get the advantage of home court, in your heart of hearts y'all know they were winning regardless of wether there was a bubble or not.

dickfox · Post #134 » by **dickfox** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 9:41 pm

I see what you're saying but it's a legit championship as all are other than the Astros Trash Can World Series. You play the opponent in front of you and you try and win. No one is taking Giannis' championship from him (or you shouldn't) even though 13 of the top 15 players all went down with injury making the path a little easier.

A championship season tells a story and they aren't all the same difficulty and never will be but they are all legit unless you cheat.

Post #135 » by **og15** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:09 pm

Why is it a case of legit or not? It's legit regardless, now we can argue that the circumstances benefitted their specific situation, but that doesn't mean it's not legit, it just means that in a different season they were more likely to have been derialed due to injuries.

mademan · Post #136 » by **mademan** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:13 pm

It's unfair the Lakers got to be healthy

Post #137 » by **ken6199** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:13 pm

Two things to keep in mind:
1) a ring is a ring, they won 4 series, it's legit
2) do NOT take rings too seriously when evaluating players (I personally DGAF about rings)

In that case
1) AD is a NBA champion
2) AD is nobody when it comes to all time top 50, he is like 2-3 tiers below some other one time NBA champions like Dirk

Archerbro · Post #138 » by **Archerbro** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:14 pm

the 2020 "title" was shaded even before LA or Lebron won the tournament in disney world.
It has nothing to do with either the franchise or bron IMO
and I'd absolutely be saying the same thing if my team or any of the other team in the bubble had won that tourney.

the NBA had to play emergency mode because they like other pro leagues lost 100s of millions of dollars when they shut the league down and when it restarted.

ratul · Post #139 » by **ratul** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:17 pm

I just think during a normal year, no way AD makes it to the finals without being injured.

Post #140 » by **og15** » Wed Apr 6, 2022 10:17 pm

dickfox wrote:I see what you're saying but it's a legit championship as all are other than the Astros Trash Can World Series. You play the opponent in front of you and you try and win. No one is taking Giannis' championship from him (or you shouldn't) even though 13 of the top 15 players all went down with injury making the path a little easier.

A championship season tells a story and they aren't all the same difficulty and never will be but they are all legit unless you cheat.

Even more so since he himself got injured and wasn't even really back to himself until game 2 of the finals, so it wouldn't even make sense.

Do you (still) think that the Lakers' 2020 title is fully legit?