The Utah Jazz are done

[dc]

I did kind of forget that Mitchell is only 6'1.

On that note, nevermind. Utah can keep him.

Yeah, Mitchell is closer to 6'1" than 6'3". And he spends a lot of time playing next to 6'1" Conley. That's a big reason for their perimeter defensive woes.

[DusterBuster]

I did kind of forget that Mitchell is only 6'1.

On that note, nevermind. Utah can keep him.

Yeah, Mitchell is closer to 6'1" than 6'3". And he spends a lot of time playing next to 6'1" Conley. That's a big reason for their perimeter defensive woes.

Yeah, I didn’t remember Mitchell was only 6’1 for a long time

[ShazamDaShiznt]

They were done for a while. They have not beat one strong team in their whole run. All they have to show is them beating young Grizzlies, beating Westbrook squad like everyone did in 1st round annnnd beating Clippers in the series where both CP3 and Blake went out injured.

Watch them try to keep their core and fire the coach only, lol, when he is not the issue here. They need to sell tickets BADLY.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Gobert will get traded to the Warriors, people will laugh and then the season starts and everyone realizes Rudy + Dray is an unfair combo defensively and all his shortcomings on offense vanish.

With what money

Gobert for Wiggins, Wiseman and Moody works salary wise, throw in a first or two and what else is beating that offer?

Wiggins expires at the end of the 2023 season as well.

[dc]

Gobert will get traded to the Warriors, people will laugh and then the season starts and everyone realizes Rudy + Dray is an unfair combo defensively and all his shortcomings on offense vanish.

With what money

Gobert for Wiggins, Wiseman and Moody works salary wise, throw in a first or two and what else is beating that offer?

Wiggins expires at the end of the 2023 season as well.

Gobert likely makes too much money moving forward. They wouldn't be able to re-sign Poole if they took on Gobert. Way too much salary. Poole's new contract will essentially be replacing the expiring Wiggins.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

Who was the last contender (pretender) that were as fraudulent as this Utah core? Cant remember TBH

Jazz have only had home court in the 1st round once in the last 21 years.

Are teams outside the top 4 in record usually seen as contenders?

I find all these threads about how "the Jazz are basically a #5 seed every year, why haven't they won a title yet?" threads very weird. How often do #5 seeds win titles? When did #5 seeds become title contenders?

They obviously need to shake things up. But that's because they're a 50 win team that plays like a 50 win team in the playoffs, not because they're a 55-65 win team (ie title contender) that plays like a 50 win team in the playoffs. Their regular season and playoff success is roughly equivalent in recent history.

[facothomas22]

Gobert will get traded to the Warriors, people will laugh and then the season starts and everyone realizes Rudy + Dray is an unfair combo defensively and all his shortcomings on offense vanish.

With what money

Gobert for Wiggins, Wiseman and Moody works salary wise, throw in a first or two and what else is beating that offer?

Wiggins expires at the end of the 2023 season as well.

I would also Jonathan Kuminga along with Wiggins,Wiseman and Moody(who's not even that important of a trade piece anyway). The Warriors are not really playing Kuminga in the playoffs anyway,so makes no sense for them to keep him.The Jazz would have Wigging,Wiseman,Kuminga and 1 to 2 first round picks. Some nice young talent with a potential future all star in Kuminga.Not a bad way to start a rebuild. Not even considering what they would get in a Donovan Mitchell trade. The Jazz if they blow this team now and play their cards right,I see their rebuild being quite short and painless(relatively).

[Nate505]

Who was the last contender (pretender) that were as fraudulent as this Utah core? Cant remember TBH

Jazz have only had home court in the 1st round once in the last 21 years.

Are teams outside the top 4 in record usually seen as contenders?

Good question. Last year one could say the Jazz were thought as contenders, but other than that I'm not sure why this became a narrative either. This year I at least kind of understand where people are coming from in the sense that the Jazz should win against a short-handed Mavs team, but I don't think even the most rose colored glass wearing Jazz homer thought they would get past the 2nd round.

But hey, I get it, it's fun to pile on.

[DonaldSanders]

With what money

Gobert for Wiggins, Wiseman and Moody works salary wise, throw in a first or two and what else is beating that offer?

Wiggins expires at the end of the 2023 season as well.

I would also Jonathan Kuminga along with Wiggins,Wiseman and Moody(who's not even that important of a trade piece anyway). The Warriors are not really playing Kuminga in the playoffs anyway,so makes no sense for them to keep him.The Jazz would have Wigging,Wiseman,Kuminga and 1 to 2 first round picks. Some nice young talent with a potential future all star in Kuminga.Not a bad way to start a rebuild. Not even considering what they would get in a Donovan Mitchell trade. The Jazz if they blow this team now and play their cards right,I see their rebuild being quite short and painless(relatively).

The Warriors would never make that trade, we'd much rather keep those guys.

When Poole has to get paid (after next year) we may have to shed Wiggins, in which you'll see Kuminga replace Wiggins. It all depends on if we win a championship. If we do, the FO will pay absurd bills keeping Wiggins, if we don't expect to see Wiggins disappear to be replaced by Poole (money-wise) and Kuminga position wise in the death lineup.

[Johnny Bball]

This is pretty much the same team that finished 1st two years ago and they just suck.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

This is pretty much the same team that finished 1st two years ago and they just suck.

Two years ago, the Jazz were an 82-game adjusted 50 win team that got the #6 seed.

[giberish]

Who was the last contender (pretender) that were as fraudulent as this Utah core? Cant remember TBH

Jazz have only had home court in the 1st round once in the last 21 years.

Are teams outside the top 4 in record usually seen as contenders?

I find all these threads about how "the Jazz are basically a #5 seed every year, why haven't they won a title yet?" threads very weird. How often do #5 seeds win titles? When did #5 seeds become title contenders?

They obviously need to shake things up. But that's because they're a 50 win team that plays like a 50 win team in the playoffs, not because they're a 55-65 win team (ie title contender) that plays like a 50 win team in the playoffs. Their regular season and playoff success is roughly equivalent in recent history.

Well they were the best regular season team in 2021, with an SRS of an over 60 win team. Then the playoffs hit and they played like a 5 seed.

If there was any debate as to the real Jazz they came out and were a 5 seed in the regular season that's underperforming in the playoffs (given a 1st round series against a team missing it's best player).

With the extreme age of their roster, even just maintaining their 5-seed place isn't really possible. It's either a fade with age or a step back and at least partial rebuild.

[Buckeye-NBAFan]

Who was the last contender (pretender) that were as fraudulent as this Utah core? Cant remember TBH

Jazz have only had home court in the 1st round once in the last 21 years.

Are teams outside the top 4 in record usually seen as contenders?

I find all these threads about how "the Jazz are basically a #5 seed every year, why haven't they won a title yet?" threads very weird. How often do #5 seeds win titles? When did #5 seeds become title contenders?

They obviously need to shake things up. But that's because they're a 50 win team that plays like a 50 win team in the playoffs, not because they're a 55-65 win team (ie title contender) that plays like a 50 win team in the playoffs. Their regular season and playoff success is roughly equivalent in recent history.

Well they were the best regular season team in 2021, with an SRS of an over 60 win team. Then the playoffs hit and they played like a 5 seed.

If there was any debate as to the real Jazz they came out and were a 5 seed in the regular season that's underperforming in the playoffs (given a 1st round series against a team missing it's best player).

With the extreme age of their roster, even just maintaining their 5-seed place isn't really possible. It's either a fade with age or a step back and at least partial rebuild.

Well, maybe the reason they played like a #5 seed without Conley (he got injured in the playoffs and missed the entire 2nd round after they have a pretty easy time dispatching the Grizz with Conley in the 1st) is that they are a #5 seed without him playing like an all-star (which he did in 2020, and didn't in 2019 or 2021).

[PhilBlackson]

They're just a team that's mailed it in...

There were already rumors of Mitchell not liking/getting along with Gobert in the off-season/pushing to be traded to a bigger market. I'm sure guys sense that on him, he doesn't seem to be playing with much enthusiasm/focus, Conley is showing his age and Rudy is being left on an island to guard everyone.

Long story short, as everyone knows....it's ovah!!!

[Coach Carter]

Definitely need to fire Synder.

-Kings GM

They don't have the talent though. They're ceiling is what we're seeing and it's not enough for a chip.

[KodiakBear]

Definitely need to fire Synder.

-Kings GM

They don't have the talent though. They're ceiling is what we're seeing and it's not enough for a chip.

The defensive sets are awful. Sorry, no team should shoot that many open 3s against you. Either the team has tuned him out or he is a poor defensive coach.

[Coach Carter]

ultimate pretenders

[Rauxcee]

Jazz have got to fire Snyder as their first move this summer. Or next week.

[worldjbfree]

Can we say it's time to blow it up? Or does Utah want to be the new Portland with a profitable playoff treadmill team?

[Baski]

Oof. Not looking good but there's still time