What will it take for you to take Curry over LeBron all-time?

[PaulLee]

Nothing. Curry will never be top 10 for me. I don't have him in Top 20 so far.

Who is in your top 15-20?

MJ, KAJ, Russell, LBJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq

KG, Oscar Robertson, Kobe Bryant, K. Malone, Dirk

West, M. Malone, Mikan, J. Erving, D. Robinson, Barkley

With a ring this year he will move past Julius Erving, but that's it. He need a lot more All-NBA teams and quality seasons to move higher.

Dirk? From that 1 chip and FMVP? I cant see an argument here for Dirk over Steph

[DoItALL9]

One more ring than LeBron seems like a good place for the argument to start

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[Onlytimewilltel]

Who created the discussion? What criteria did they use? To me it makes no sense to not have the player who led the teams with the best regular season record and the best playoffs record not in the discussion.

Because we can analyze player performance without binding it completely to team success. LeBron hit the ground running at the start of his career and has put up historic numbers ever since. LeBron shouldn't be penalized for spending the first third of his career with an incompetent organization.

We can and the simple takeaway I see is that Curry is a more efficient player than LeBron and judging from the results that makes him a better player.

Curry is a more efficient player than Jordan also. I guess he’s the GOAT? Didn’t realize it was that simple

[TheNG]

The gap from Kareem (6 rings, 6 MVPs) to LeBron (4 rings, 4 MPVs) is much bigger than the gap from LeBron to Curry (3 rings, 2 MVPs).

You forgot the most important accolade, fmvp, on purpose?

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So you reaaly think a prize determined by a few games is more important than the ultimate prize at all sports - wininng 1st place, or more important than a prize taking into account the whole season?
I mean, if you had a "playoff MVP" you might have a good argument there.

[celticfan42487]

I take no one over LeBron all time.

That 2016 ring made him the GOAT, well really his longevity did but that Finals was his creme de la creme.

[SeanieWard]

lol I'm a Steph fan, supporter, etc. and I will be the first to say there's nothing he can do to surpass LeBron. This must be a legacy question and not simply who is a better individual basketball player because neither player is getting better at this point in their careers and LeBron is way ahead of Curry as an individual player and is also ahead of him in terms of legacy as well. I supposed their legacies are still being built since they can add titles and awards to their resumes but Bron is compared to MJ so if the question is what can Steph do realistically for his legacy to be compared to MJ I'd say absolutely nothing. Steph is a legend and a icon but he's not in the same tier as Bron as an all time great

[Pennebaker]

He'd need to add 8 inches and 70 pounds and play defense.

[JujitsuFlip]

This thread really shows some posters haven't been watching LeBron since 2003, smh.

[picko]

The gap is just far too large - you'd really need to place tremendous weight on team success to even consider Curry over LeBron. Overtaking Kobe is a more realistic proposition.

Right now, Curry is 3-years younger than LeBron and has less than half as many Win Shares (120.2 vs 249.5). He's scored 17k fewer points and he's obviously not the same level as a defender. The playoff gaps are even wider.

Now one doesn't have to reach the statistical or professional accolades of another to be considered greater but the gap does seem rather large when you put all the pieces together.

Realistically there is nobody in the game today with any realistic chance of finishing their career greater than LeBron. And we shouldn't be surprised by that, LeBron's career has been rather extraordinary when you take a step back to view it in its entirety.

[Young gun 6]

Thank god that poster who has about 10 posts trying to peg Lebron down in rankings for spending money on his body has stopped posting

[lonzo_pelota]

1st He'll need to go back in time (as in a delorean) , start the league from high school not davidson with a witness tattoo on his back and not with a father that played in the league as a blueprint. Also add almost insurmountable expectations in front of him. Win a championship on three different teams then just then maybe the conversation can hypothesize.

[timO]

3&4 more rings with fmvp

[Miami_Lux]

With a bad team Curry brings them to a championship faster. With a good team Curry's is more dominant.

If you recognize that NBA basketball is a team game, Curry is simply better. That you are resorting to blaming the messenger instead of facts kind of tells the story.

Nothing amuses me more than someone having an opinion that contradicts the overall majority (let’s say 99%) and then continues to claim that they actually know the facts and everybody else is wrong.

Again no facts in your statement.

Fine I ll bite. There are different categories and stats that can be used to determine who is better between two players.

Let s start with the accolades:
(1) NBA titles: LeBron 4 - Curry 3
(2) Regular season MVP: LeBron 4 - Curry 2
(3) Finals MVP: LeBron 4 - Curry 0
(4) All-NBA Team: LeBron 18 - Curry 8
(5) All-NBA defensive team: LeBron 6 - Curry 0

Admittedly that s not very conclusive so let s look at basic stats.

(1) PPG: LeBron 27.1 - Curry 24.3
(2) APG: LeBron 7.4 - Curry 6.5
(3) RPG: LeBron 7.5 - Curry 4.6
(4) SPG: LeBron 1.7 - Curry 1.7
(5) BPG: LeBron 0.8 - Curry 0.2
(6) FG%: LeBron .505 - Curry .473
(7) 3P%: LeBron .346 - Curry .428
(8) FT%: LeBron .734 - Curry .908

Again LeBron crashes most categories other than free throw% and 3-point %

But let s take a deeper look into more advanced stats as they tend to be more indicative on the impact a player has

(1) Career PER: LeBron 27.3 - Curry 23.8
(2) True Shooting%: LeBron .588 - Curry .624
(3) Win share per 48 minutes: LeBron .230 - Curry .203
(4) Offensive Box Plus/Minus: LeBron 7.1 - Curry 6.1
(5) Defensive Box Plus/Minus: LeBron 1.8 - Curry 0.4
(6) Box Plus/Minus: LeBron: 8.9 - Curry 6.5

Again Curry only surpasses LeBron in terms of TS%.

These are the facts my friend. LeBron is a better player than Curry and it s not even close.

[KyRo23]

Curry's first year was 2009-2010. Won his first championship in the 2014-2015 season with the Warriors. He wasn't even given the keys to the team at the start and had a year he was out due to injury. According to BBRef he was around 26.

LeBron's first year was 2003-2004. Won his first championship in the 2011-2012 season with his second team the Heat. Needed a second year with a superteam to win. According to BBRef he was around 27.

Certainly looks to me like Steph took less time to turn around a lottery team.

LeBron with the Heat, second stint with Cavaliers and then with the Lakers had to go forming superteams and raiding team assets for star trades. Much easier and not the same thing to turn around a team when you also have multiple top draft picks to turn into stars. But you can go on pretending it is the same. LeBron's achievements are built upon multiple such smoke and mirror effects.

Yeah, and what did this ultimately come down to? Better management. Curry is not the reason golden State drafted Klay and Draymond and they turned out to be half of fame players. You’re giving Curry credit for things he had nothing to do with.

And even if this argument held up, you’re still not correct. Cleveland and LA were both bottom of the barrel teams. LeBron only needed two seasons to turn them into champions. Again, Curry has not done this.

Pointing out that Curry wasn’t the focal point or wasn’t given the keys to the kingdom also just kills the credibility of your argument. You originally said Curry is easier to build around. If he wasn’t originally being built around, then that means he got eventual hall of fame teammates by accident. Switching goalposts doesn’t make your argument correct.

Better management? LeBron was on the Heat which is widely considered as a well-managed team. LeBron still left. Maybe if LeBron had no say this could be brought up as a point but when he basically had carte blanche to create the team around him that he wanted for the majority of his career it's eye-rolling to suggest.

Cleveland the second time and LA were not bottom of the barrel. They were 30+ win teams when LeBron joined. Bottom of the barrel is the Warriors in 2020 when they literally finished last in the league standings with less than 20 wins when Curry was out due to injury.

It would be best to quote me saying Curry is easier to build around because offhand I don't recall saying that. Pointing out he wasn't given the keys to the team from the get go simply acknowledges how so many people have misevaluated Curry and continue to do so as shown by the number of people on this thread who keep doubting him despite being burned over and over again whenever they've doubted him.

You can't be taken seriously when you try and slip something like that by (in bold). You're knowingly being disingenuous...

Dray only played half the season
Klay was out the season
Wiggins only played 12 games
Looney 20 games

So after all that you're saying Curry came back and now they're in the finals. ALL CURRY! Dude cmon

[art_tatum]

Kaj has 6 MVPs and titles most pts scored yet most ppl here put LeBron over him while claiming LeBron over curry bc of awards and counting stats. Provide more or it's a bit hypocritical

If we just doing that,
If curry 3 peats starting this finals and gets 2 MVP 3 fmvp he would be clearly ahead for me and near Jordan. It's all on one team too.
2 titles 1mvp 2fmvp gets him in the top 5 for me and debatable with LeBron

[JujitsuFlip]

Kaj has 6 MVPs and titles most pts scored yet most ppl here put LeBron over him while claiming LeBron over curry bc of awards and counting stats. Provide more or it's a bit hypocritical

If we just doing that,
If curry 3 peats starting this finals and gets 2 MVP 3 fmvp he would be clearly ahead for me and near Jordan. It's all on one team too.
2 titles 1mvp 2fmvp gets him in the top 5 for me and debatable with LeBron

Look a couple posts above yours, perfect breakdown of just how far away Steph is from LeBron by stats and accolades.

[AdagioPace]

Curry could ammass a significant "succesfull" longevity but the problem is: Lebron's cumulative career value between 19-30 years old is on a different level compared to Curry (and Lebron's longevity, welp, has already surpassed Kareem-Duncan level)

[art_tatum]

Kaj has 6 MVPs and titles most pts scored yet most ppl here put LeBron over him while claiming LeBron over curry bc of awards and counting stats. Provide more or it's a bit hypocritical

If we just doing that,
If curry 3 peats starting this finals and gets 2 MVP 3 fmvp he would be clearly ahead for me and near Jordan. It's all on one team too.
2 titles 1mvp 2fmvp gets him in the top 5 for me and debatable with LeBron

Look a couple posts above yours, perfect breakdown of just how far away Steph is from LeBron by stats and accolades.

Like I said then Kaj should be way ahead of LeBron then.
Imo if steph does what i say
He will be ahead or equal to LeBron in accolades
6 chips 4mvps 3fmvps all on the same team, changed Basketball to it's modern era.
Don't really care about longevity unless it's short.
For me it does it.

[Amares]

Curry is not even in a half way to LeBron. He has 0 chance to even come close and one must be LeBron hater to think otherwise.
I see strong case for Curry to end up as a top 10 player of all-time, but LeBron is easily GOAT at the moment and catching him by any current player seem to be not possible.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

I take no one over LeBron all time.

That 2016 ring made him the GOAT, well really his longevity did but that Finals was his creme de la creme.

I know one basetball pundit who agrees with you...

https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/25651126