Eurobasket 2022 (daily OP updates), day 11, all quarter finals teams known, Italy shocks Europe, eliminates Serbia

[LuDux1]

Lithuanian final preliminary list:
5/4 Jonas Valančiūnas, Laurynas Birutis, Martynas Echodas, Domantas Sabonis, Gytis Masiulis,
4/3 Mindaugas Kuzminskas, Eigirdas Žukauskas, Gediminas Orelikas,
3/2 Arnas Butkevičius, Ignas Brazdeikis, Rokas Giedraitis, Marius Grigonis, Tomas Dimša,
1 Rokas Jokubaitis, Lukas Lekavičius, Kristupas Žemaitis

Wow, no Čižauskas, how is that possible Gediminas Orelik is amazing come back story, if he actually made National team, that would be amazing. Always loved him, he sure plays no defense, but man can stroke it, and I intentionally said it this way cause I am happy Čižauskas is not on this list.

Laugh while you can, but "No Cizauskas no victory" rule is still unbroken

[Dirk]

Someone quote me when Luka and Tobey's schedule is out.

[the_other_guy]

I imagine putting Papanikolaou as big near Giannis, Giannis as center, Papanikolau as other big, then Sloukas, Dorsey and find another good shooter guard, and its a lineup I would go. Not sure if Greece has better spacer as Papanikolau at big position, I mean Papa can play, he is legit 6'8 and strong boy,

Larentzakis is one of the best shooters in Europe.

Is there a different Larentzakis? Cos this one shooting barely a 32%

[jptremblay]

As an spanish fan, just hope my country loose quickly and stop using **** naturalized players like Lorenzo Brown with any connection with the country, just as Mike Tobey with Slovenia and many others.

I don't have any problem with Mirotic and Ibaka as they lived and worked on the country for years.

[freestyler34]

Not official but Turkey's team probably will be something like :

Shane Larkin (Anadolu Efes)
Furkan Korkmaz ( Philadelphia 76ers)
Cedi Osman ( Cleveland Cavaliers)
Alperen Sengun ( Houston Rockets)
Omer Yurtseven (Miami Heat)

[Pachinko_]

Not official but Turkey's team probably will be something like :

Shane Larkin (Anadolu Efes)
Furkan Korkmaz ( Philadelphia 76ers)
Cedi Osman ( Cleveland Cavaliers)
Alperen Sengun ( Houston Rockets)
Omer Yurtseven (Miami Heat)

Not a bad squad at all

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[SpreeS]

Lithuanian final preliminary list:
5/4 Jonas Valančiūnas, Laurynas Birutis, Martynas Echodas, Domantas Sabonis, Gytis Masiulis,
4/3 Mindaugas Kuzminskas, Eigirdas Žukauskas, Gediminas Orelikas,
3/2 Arnas Butkevičius, Ignas Brazdeikis, Rokas Giedraitis, Marius Grigonis, Tomas Dimša,
1 Rokas Jokubaitis, Lukas Lekavičius, Kristupas Žemaitis

The best possible place - 4th in group stage and defeat against Spain in 1/8

[-Luke-]

Germany without Kleber, Hartenstein, Bonga and Pleiss.

Robin Benzing Forward Fortitudo Bologna
Niels Giffey Forward Zalgiris Kaunas
Justus Hollatz Point Guard CB Breogan
Leon Kratzer Big Man Telekom Baskets Bonn
David Krämer Wing Basketball Löwen Braunschweig
Maodo Lo Point Guard ALBA BERLIN
Andreas Obst Wing FC Bayern München
Kenneth Ogbe Wing EWE Baskets Oldenburg
Dennis Schröder Point Guard Houston Rockets
Christian Sengfelder Big Man Brose Bamberg
Daniel Theis Big Man Indiana Pacers
Johannes Thiemann Big Man ALBA BERLIN
Johannes Voigtmann Big Man CSKA Moskau
Franz Wagner Wing Orlando Magic
Moritz Wagner Big Man Orlando Magic
Jonas Wohlfarth-Bottermann Big Man MHP RIESEN Ludwigsburg

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[UcanUwill]

Germany without Kleber, Hartenstein, Bonga and Pleiss.

Robin Benzing Forward Fortitudo Bologna
Niels Giffey Forward Zalgiris Kaunas
Justus Hollatz Point Guard CB Breogan
Leon Kratzer Big Man Telekom Baskets Bonn
David Krämer Wing Basketball Löwen Braunschweig
Maodo Lo Point Guard ALBA BERLIN
Andreas Obst Wing FC Bayern München
Kenneth Ogbe Wing EWE Baskets Oldenburg
Dennis Schröder Point Guard Houston Rockets
Christian Sengfelder Big Man Brose Bamberg
Daniel Theis Big Man Indiana Pacers
Johannes Thiemann Big Man ALBA BERLIN
Johannes Voigtmann Big Man CSKA Moskau
Franz Wagner Wing Orlando Magic
Moritz Wagner Big Man Orlando Magic
Jonas Wohlfarth-Bottermann Big Man MHP RIESEN Ludwigsburg

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Very good team, imagine if Dirk had those teammates. But he must have done something, cause next generation is strong.

I imagine rotation will look kinda like this :

PG. Dennis Schröder / Maodo Lo
SG. Andreas Obst / Kenneth Ogbe
SF. Franz Wagner / Niels Giffey
PF. Johannes Voigtmann / Robin Benzing
C. Daniel Theis / Moritz Wagner

Man, thats a sick team even without 4 NBA players, I am jelly, this right here is probably better than what Lithuania has. Only SG position seem very bad, but play Dennis and Lo together and it over, or move Giffey to Guard a lot.

[mpoo_sin]

Germany without Kleber, Hartenstein, Bonga and Pleiss.

Robin Benzing Forward Fortitudo Bologna
Niels Giffey Forward Zalgiris Kaunas
Justus Hollatz Point Guard CB Breogan
Leon Kratzer Big Man Telekom Baskets Bonn
David Krämer Wing Basketball Löwen Braunschweig
Maodo Lo Point Guard ALBA BERLIN
Andreas Obst Wing FC Bayern München
Kenneth Ogbe Wing EWE Baskets Oldenburg
Dennis Schröder Point Guard Houston Rockets
Christian Sengfelder Big Man Brose Bamberg
Daniel Theis Big Man Indiana Pacers
Johannes Thiemann Big Man ALBA BERLIN
Johannes Voigtmann Big Man CSKA Moskau
Franz Wagner Wing Orlando Magic
Moritz Wagner Big Man Orlando Magic
Jonas Wohlfarth-Bottermann Big Man MHP RIESEN Ludwigsburg

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What??
Why the hell is Kleber not playing? I doubt he wasn t nominated...but i also find it hard to believe that he did not want to play...

[Mavrelous]

Germany without Kleber, Hartenstein, Bonga and Pleiss.

Robin Benzing Forward Fortitudo Bologna
Niels Giffey Forward Zalgiris Kaunas
Justus Hollatz Point Guard CB Breogan
Leon Kratzer Big Man Telekom Baskets Bonn
David Krämer Wing Basketball Löwen Braunschweig
Maodo Lo Point Guard ALBA BERLIN
Andreas Obst Wing FC Bayern München
Kenneth Ogbe Wing EWE Baskets Oldenburg
Dennis Schröder Point Guard Houston Rockets
Christian Sengfelder Big Man Brose Bamberg
Daniel Theis Big Man Indiana Pacers
Johannes Thiemann Big Man ALBA BERLIN
Johannes Voigtmann Big Man CSKA Moskau
Franz Wagner Wing Orlando Magic
Moritz Wagner Big Man Orlando Magic
Jonas Wohlfarth-Bottermann Big Man MHP RIESEN Ludwigsburg

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Contract year for Maxi, probabely prefered to rest.

[UcanUwill]

Bosnia and Hercegovina also announced their list. Nothing of note except 2 superstars and one very surprising names.

Jusuf Nurkić and Dzanan Musa will lead the way, anything possible when you have center and creator this quality. Surprise name is Luka Garza, I didn't even know he had any ties with Euro countries, but ok.

[mpoo_sin]

Germany without Kleber, Hartenstein, Bonga and Pleiss.

Robin Benzing Forward Fortitudo Bologna
Niels Giffey Forward Zalgiris Kaunas
Justus Hollatz Point Guard CB Breogan
Leon Kratzer Big Man Telekom Baskets Bonn
David Krämer Wing Basketball Löwen Braunschweig
Maodo Lo Point Guard ALBA BERLIN
Andreas Obst Wing FC Bayern München
Kenneth Ogbe Wing EWE Baskets Oldenburg
Dennis Schröder Point Guard Houston Rockets
Christian Sengfelder Big Man Brose Bamberg
Daniel Theis Big Man Indiana Pacers
Johannes Thiemann Big Man ALBA BERLIN
Johannes Voigtmann Big Man CSKA Moskau
Franz Wagner Wing Orlando Magic
Moritz Wagner Big Man Orlando Magic
Jonas Wohlfarth-Bottermann Big Man MHP RIESEN Ludwigsburg

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Very good team, imagine if Dirk had those teammates. But he must have done something, cause next generation is strong.

I imagine rotation will look kinda like this :

PG. Dennis Schröder / Maodo Lo
SG. Andreas Obst / Kenneth Ogbe
SF. Franz Wagner / Niels Giffey
PF. Johannes Voigtmann / Robin Benzing
C. Daniel Theis / Moritz Wagner

Man, thats a sick team even without 4 NBA players, I am jelly, this right here is probably better than what Lithuania has. Only SG position seem very bad, but play Dennis and Lo together and it over, or move Giffey to Guard a lot.

They are very weak at the 4. I do not understand why Kleber is not participating... but yeah, looks like a solid team.

[UcanUwill]

Germany without Kleber, Hartenstein, Bonga and Pleiss.

Robin Benzing Forward Fortitudo Bologna
Niels Giffey Forward Zalgiris Kaunas
Justus Hollatz Point Guard CB Breogan
Leon Kratzer Big Man Telekom Baskets Bonn
David Krämer Wing Basketball Löwen Braunschweig
Maodo Lo Point Guard ALBA BERLIN
Andreas Obst Wing FC Bayern München
Kenneth Ogbe Wing EWE Baskets Oldenburg
Dennis Schröder Point Guard Houston Rockets
Christian Sengfelder Big Man Brose Bamberg
Daniel Theis Big Man Indiana Pacers
Johannes Thiemann Big Man ALBA BERLIN
Johannes Voigtmann Big Man CSKA Moskau
Franz Wagner Wing Orlando Magic
Moritz Wagner Big Man Orlando Magic
Jonas Wohlfarth-Bottermann Big Man MHP RIESEN Ludwigsburg

Sorry for the format. Copied it from another website

Very good team, imagine if Dirk had those teammates. But he must have done something, cause next generation is strong.

I imagine rotation will look kinda like this :

PG. Dennis Schröder / Maodo Lo
SG. Andreas Obst / Kenneth Ogbe
SF. Franz Wagner / Niels Giffey
PF. Johannes Voigtmann / Robin Benzing
C. Daniel Theis / Moritz Wagner

Man, thats a sick team even without 4 NBA players, I am jelly, this right here is probably better than what Lithuania has. Only SG position seem very bad, but play Dennis and Lo together and it over, or move Giffey to Guard a lot.

They are very weak at the 4. I do not understand why Kleber is not participating... but yeah, looks like a solid team.

Voigtmann is quality, Franz can switch to 4 if you play perimeter ball. Wouldn't call it very weak at all. Kleber would sure help, but he is also a role player kinda like Voigtmann, I don't see it as some kind of massive loss honestly.

[LuDux1]

Lithuanian final preliminary list:
5/4 Jonas Valančiūnas, Laurynas Birutis, Martynas Echodas, Domantas Sabonis, Gytis Masiulis,
4/3 Mindaugas Kuzminskas, Eigirdas Žukauskas, Gediminas Orelikas,
3/2 Arnas Butkevičius, Ignas Brazdeikis, Rokas Giedraitis, Marius Grigonis, Tomas Dimša,
1 Rokas Jokubaitis, Lukas Lekavičius, Kristupas Žemaitis

The best possible place - 4th in group stage and defeat against Spain in 1/8

Logical prediction, based on recent results. Reasons for those were a) bad luck, like running into Doncic or Gobert's Touch, and b) players like Sabonis, Grigonis and Giedraitis playing significantly worse than they do in their clubs. Still no cure for a but experience and new coach could fix b

[SpreeS]

Lithuanian final preliminary list:
5/4 Jonas Valančiūnas, Laurynas Birutis, Martynas Echodas, Domantas Sabonis, Gytis Masiulis,
4/3 Mindaugas Kuzminskas, Eigirdas Žukauskas, Gediminas Orelikas,
3/2 Arnas Butkevičius, Ignas Brazdeikis, Rokas Giedraitis, Marius Grigonis, Tomas Dimša,
1 Rokas Jokubaitis, Lukas Lekavičius, Kristupas Žemaitis

The best possible place - 4th in group stage and defeat against Spain in 1/8

Logical prediction, based on recent results. Reasons for those were a) bad luck, like running into Doncic or Gobert's Touch, and b) players like Sabonis, Grigonis and Giedraitis playing significantly worse than they do in their clubs. Still no cure for a but experience and new coach could fix b

Lithuania has more chances to lose to Bn'H than win against Germany at thier home. Jokubaitis is the only one hope for conection between Sabas/Val and guards, if he will fail, it won't be good...

[-Luke-]

What??
Why the hell is Kleber not playing? I doubt he wasn t nominated...but i also find it hard to believe that he did not want to play...

Translation from German website basketball.de:

Maxi Kleber will also not be available this summer: "After two exhausting years marked by the pandemic with only short summer breaks, I will use this summer to get a break mentally and physically,"

[juanc]

Someone quote me when Luka and Tobey's schedule is out.

It's not the full schedule, but here it is:
4.8 vs Netherlands
6.8 vs Montenegro
12.8 vs Turkey
13.8 vs Ukraine
17.8 vs Serbia in Ljubljana!

25.8.2022(Celje - Slovenia) WC qualifiers against Estonia
28.8.2022(München - Germany) WC qualifiers against Germany
Eurobasket
1.9, 17:15 Slovenia:Lithuania
3.9, 20:30 Slovenia:Hungary
4.9, 17:45 We'll settle the famous Musa vs Dončić debate!
6.9, 20:30 Slovenia: Germany
7.9, 17:15 Slovenia:France

Oh and here the roster:
Jaka Blažič, Saša Ciani, Vlatko Čančar, Jakob Lovrenc Čebašek, Žiga Dimec, Luka Dončić, Goran Dragić, Zoran Dragić, Gregor Glas, Gregor Hrovat, Robert Jurković, Jurij Macura, Edo Murić, Aleksej Nikolić, Bine Prepelič, Klemen Prepelič, Luka Rupnik, Žiga Samar, Luka Ščuka in Mike Tobey.
1/2 - Goran Dragić, Luka Dončić, Ali Nikolić/Žiga Samar
2/3 - Jaka Blažič, Klemen Prepelič, Zoran Dragić, Gregor Horvat
3/4 - Vlatko Čančar, Edo Murić
5 - Mike Tobey, Žiga Dimec
One more spot, I guess it's one of the bigs.

[lambchop]

Very good team, imagine if Dirk had those teammates. But he must have done something, cause next generation is strong.

About 17 years ago or so the German basketball federation invited Dirk to have a look at some of the youth national team practices. They were excited to have him there and proud of what they had achieved. But Dirk basically said that the practices were pathetic, the drills didn't make sense etc. He was honest and harsh.

Afterwards the basketball federation changed a ton things and the result is that Germany is able to produce NBA and Euroleague guys almost every year now. I still think what helps the players the most is the 6+6 rule where in the 1st league each team has to have 6 domestic players at every game. This guarantees that German guys will get playing time and some end up playing Eurocup, Champions league, Euroleague etc. Just by getting those minutes they're almost guaranteed to become decent players, barring injuries or them simply not wanting to play.

[evilution]

The best possible place - 4th in group stage and defeat against Spain in 1/8

Logical prediction, based on recent results. Reasons for those were a) bad luck, like running into Doncic or Gobert's Touch, and b) players like Sabonis, Grigonis and Giedraitis playing significantly worse than they do in their clubs. Still no cure for a but experience and new coach could fix b

Lithuania has more chances to lose to Bn'H than win against Germany at thier home. Jokubaitis is the only one hope for conection between Sabas/Val and guards, if he will fail, it won't be good...

Lithuanian national basketball has been slowly deteriorating for a while. Two best players are centers that don't really share the floor well (esp. on defense), and we have not seen a good PG since... Jasikevičius? No clutch player since Kleiza as well, I guess. There's some hope now that Brazdeikis is becoming that, but things are still looking rather grim. The team is barely scraping by during qualifiers, narrowly escaping losses/losing to average teams.
I do not think we will finish well in the upcoming Eurobasket. Honestly, I'd even suggest looking into surrounding Sabbonis/JV with the best 3-and-D wings we can find and running Saboner/JV PnR.
Let's be honest, a country with barely around 3 million people can't seriously expect to stay a basketball powerhouse throughout decades.