Becky Hammon Has The Aces at WNBA-Best 13-3 — How Long Until She Leads NBA Team?

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Re: Becky Hammon Has The Aces at WNBA-Best 13-3 — How Long Until She Leads NBA Team? 

Post#121 » by SOUL » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:48 am

Mr Puddles wrote:For point 2. No, she should not be hired because she's a woman. If she gets hired, it's probably because she has a strong track record as an assistant coach in the NBA and as a head coach in the WNBA, and has been under the tutelage of one of the most venerated head coaches of all time - whose proteges have a pretty strong record as NBA head coaches. It's not like people are arguing for a member of the cheerleading squad to be promoted or something, she's clearly paid her dues.


Because people just don't want it to happen and will talk in circles and kick the can down the road.

1. If players say they're completely okay with having literally anybody coach them, it'll be attributed to them being "woke" and not them wanting the best available candidate for the team. The bottom line should be winning no matter the gender.

2. There are always caveats: "If you hire a woman, you'll have to fire a woman too which gives you bashlash!" .. which means .. it can never happen? Or my favorite, "What about all the other assistants that should be hired before her?" while not speaking a peep about lame duck coaches like Nash or guys like Billups who never were an assistant/assistant for a year.

If there was a woman physically able to keep up with the physicality of the NBA while having the talent of a LeBron or Jordan, they'd be in the league because of their talent. The issue is that genetically it is harder for that to happen which is why it hasn't happened. Coaches have to have game knowledge, be smart, empathetic, flexible, be good at X's and O's, a motivator .. all of these are things are not gender specific traits which is why it's a dumb argument that it can't happen.

Put in the work and get rewarded. Hammon has more than done that.
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Re: Becky Hammon Has The Aces at WNBA-Best 13-3 — How Long Until She Leads NBA Team? 

Post#122 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:36 am

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That is a pretty horrible strawman. All of those guys have penises.....Becky Hammon does not.

Im sorry to not be Politically Correct but I do not see a grown man respecting a woman coach as much as he would another man.


Why is your criteria a penis? Is there any size or girth criteria you need to this. or will just any old penis do?


Im assuming you are a liberal based on your posts on this thread.....I state this as a staunch democrat.....Bullchit ass feminism pushed down people's throat is what got us Donald Trump.

If the Democrats had pushed the best candidate for POTUS instead of deciding that it was just "time for a woman to be POTUS" then Trump would have never won in 2016.
The Democrats tried the same thing in 2007 and 2008, but Obama turned out to be immensely more popular than Hillary.

Yall are doing the same thing. What makes Hammon so qualified to be the head coach of an NBA team?
What makes her more qualified than the dozens of career assistants in the college and NBA game?

Its black men that are going to get passed over in the name of affirmative action so that some team can say they hired a woman...regardless if she is the best coach or best fit for a team.


Yeah… 60 years of time wanting since the civil rights movement, wanting equal rights, all that gets you is Donald trump 60 years later. That’s what happens when people strive for change, 60 years later you get a bad president because you make one a woman makes a bad decision. It’s obvious.

Listen to yourself. It’s ridiculous.
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Re: Becky Hammon Has The Aces at WNBA-Best 13-3 — How Long Until She Leads NBA Team? 

Post#123 » by Jonny Blaze » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:11 pm

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I honestly don't see why not. There are plenty of female bosses in both the public and private sector, if I had to take a guess I'd say most posters on this board have probably had a woman boss at least one point in their careers.

If anything, I think NBA players will be more likely to accept it due to the amount of social media backlash they'd receive if a story is leaked about a player disrespecting a female coach, or if the team simply quits. E.g. if the Knicks quit on Thomas, the narrative will be about how his coaching methods don't resonate with today's youth etc. Now let's say a team quits on Rebecca, these players will at a minimum be questioned about being misogynistic - not a narrative players will want to have surrounding themselves in today's social media age.

Overall, I still expect Becky to be Pop's successor - it just makes too much sense.


is Becky Hammon going to give whatever team that hires her an advantage over a team with an elite head coach?

If not....what is the point of hiring her?

Is the the job of an NBA team to fill a quota....or is it to hire the best person for the job?

Democrats did this in 2016 and ended up with Trump and a 6-3 Conservative majority on the Supreme Court.


You're arguing two different things:

1. first you argued that "do not see a grown man respecting a woman coach as much as he would another man."
2. now you're essentially asking if Becky should be hired just because she's a woman: "Is the the job of an NBA team to fill a quota."

Point 1, I addressed, I don't see why a woman would not be able to command the same amount of respect and authority - just like many women are doing in the corporate world.


For point 2. No, she should not be hired because she's a woman. If she gets hired, it's probably because she has a strong track record as an assistant coach in the NBA and as a head coach in the WNBA, and has been under the tutelage of one of the most venerated head coaches of all time - whose proteges have a pretty strong record as NBA head coaches. It's not like people are arguing for a member of the cheerleading squad to be promoted or something, she's clearly paid her dues.


Corporate America and Professional Sports at the highest level are not the same thing. They are not remotely the same thing or even in the same ballpark.

Its a feminist fantasy to think that grown men are going to respect a female coach as much as they would a man. If you are the team that hires this women then you are putting your franchise at a disadvantage.
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Post#124 » by Jonny Blaze » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:14 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Jonny Blaze wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Why is your criteria a penis? Is there any size or girth criteria you need to this. or will just any old penis do?


Im assuming you are a liberal based on your posts on this thread.....I state this as a staunch democrat.....Bullchit ass feminism pushed down people's throat is what got us Donald Trump.

If the Democrats had pushed the best candidate for POTUS instead of deciding that it was just "time for a woman to be POTUS" then Trump would have never won in 2016.
The Democrats tried the same thing in 2007 and 2008, but Obama turned out to be immensely more popular than Hillary.

Yall are doing the same thing. What makes Hammon so qualified to be the head coach of an NBA team?
What makes her more qualified than the dozens of career assistants in the college and NBA game?

Its black men that are going to get passed over in the name of affirmative action so that some team can say they hired a woman...regardless if she is the best coach or best fit for a team.


Yeah… 60 years of time wanting since the civil rights movement, wanting equal rights, all that gets you is Donald trump 60 years later. That’s what happens when people strive for change, 60 years later you get a bad president because you make one a woman makes a bad decision. It’s obvious.

Listen to yourself. It’s ridiculous.



You don't have anything to add to this discussion except insults because you can't defend any of your positions.
You sound like a total clown.
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Post#125 » by Jonny Blaze » Sat Sep 24, 2022 5:25 pm

SOUL wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:For point 2. No, she should not be hired because she's a woman. If she gets hired, it's probably because she has a strong track record as an assistant coach in the NBA and as a head coach in the WNBA, and has been under the tutelage of one of the most venerated head coaches of all time - whose proteges have a pretty strong record as NBA head coaches. It's not like people are arguing for a member of the cheerleading squad to be promoted or something, she's clearly paid her dues.


Because people just don't want it to happen and will talk in circles and kick the can down the road.

1. If players say they're completely okay with having literally anybody coach them, it'll be attributed to them being "woke" and not them wanting the best available candidate for the team. The bottom line should be winning no matter the gender.

2. There are always caveats: "If you hire a woman, you'll have to fire a woman too which gives you bashlash!" .. which means .. it can never happen? Or my favorite, "What about all the other assistants that should be hired before her?" while not speaking a peep about lame duck coaches like Nash or guys like Billups who never were an assistant/assistant for a year.

If there was a woman physically able to keep up with the physicality of the NBA while having the talent of a LeBron or Jordan, they'd be in the league because of their talent. The issue is that genetically it is harder for that to happen which is why it hasn't happened. Coaches have to have game knowledge, be smart, empathetic, flexible, be good at X's and O's, a motivator .. all of these are things are not gender specific traits which is why it's a dumb argument that it can't happen.

Put in the work and get rewarded. Hammon has more than done that.


This is again some liberal, feminist fantasy you guys keep pushing. On the record plenty of players will say that they don't mind being coached by a woman, and that women are equal to men....blah blah blah.....They do this so they don't attacked by the male feminist, and the manginas.

but in real life men being led by women in a hyper masculine activity such as sports will only lead to low morale.

No one on this thread has sold me on what makes Becky Hammon qualified to coach men at the highest level in the world.
No one will admit this...but deep down most of the people on this thread just want to see a white woman being able to oversee black men.

I don't see the huge push for a female coach in the MLB, Soccer or Football....and the reason why is that the biggest stars in those sports tend to be white.
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Post#126 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:00 pm

Jonny Blaze wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Jonny Blaze wrote:
Im assuming you are a liberal based on your posts on this thread.....I state this as a staunch democrat.....Bullchit ass feminism pushed down people's throat is what got us Donald Trump.

If the Democrats had pushed the best candidate for POTUS instead of deciding that it was just "time for a woman to be POTUS" then Trump would have never won in 2016.
The Democrats tried the same thing in 2007 and 2008, but Obama turned out to be immensely more popular than Hillary.

Yall are doing the same thing. What makes Hammon so qualified to be the head coach of an NBA team?
What makes her more qualified than the dozens of career assistants in the college and NBA game?

Its black men that are going to get passed over in the name of affirmative action so that some team can say they hired a woman...regardless if she is the best coach or best fit for a team.


Yeah… 60 years of time wanting since the civil rights movement, wanting equal rights, all that gets you is Donald trump 60 years later. That’s what happens when people strive for change, 60 years later you get a bad president because you make one a woman makes a bad decision. It’s obvious.

Listen to yourself. It’s ridiculous.



You don't have anything to add to this discussion except insults because you can't defend any of your positions.
You sound like a total clown.


You’ve insisted coaches need a penis, feminism is bs and hurts your underdeveloped feelings. What I have to add is that your posts are embarrassing,
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Post#127 » by Jonny Blaze » Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:08 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
Jonny Blaze wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Yeah… 60 years of time wanting since the civil rights movement, wanting equal rights, all that gets you is Donald trump 60 years later. That’s what happens when people strive for change, 60 years later you get a bad president because you make one a woman makes a bad decision. It’s obvious.

Listen to yourself. It’s ridiculous.



You don't have anything to add to this discussion except insults because you can't defend any of your positions.
You sound like a total clown.


You’ve insisted coaches need a penis, feminism is bs and hurts your underdeveloped feelings. What I have to add is that your posts are embarrassing,


Just like I thought.
Manginas can't argue or defend any of their arguments so they have to resort to insults.

What is embarrassing is that you aren't bright enough to debate anything worth of substance.

Serious question?
Are you a male feminist?
Feminism is BS. Feminism is women wishing they were men.

Feminism is nothing more than women wanting the perks of being a man...without the downside.

Feminism has been DISASTROUS to the African American Community over the past 50 years.
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Post#128 » by Johnny Bball » Sat Sep 24, 2022 6:26 pm

Jonny Blaze wrote: Feminism is women wishing they were men.



Wow... this is pure stupid. As was the rest, but this really stood out.

And no, I don't usually explain things that are self evident and easy to understand.
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Post#129 » by Ein Sof » Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:04 pm

Jonny Blaze wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Jonny Blaze wrote:
That is a pretty horrible strawman. All of those guys have penises.....Becky Hammon does not.

Im sorry to not be Politically Correct but I do not see a grown man respecting a woman coach as much as he would another man.


Why is your criteria a penis? Is there any size or girth criteria you need to this. or will just any old penis do?




If the Democrats had pushed the best candidate for POTUS instead of deciding that it was just "time for a woman to be POTUS" then Trump would have never won in 2016.



Hillary beat Trump by millions of votes, so I guess it worked out fine.

Also you should stop posting immediately.
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Post#130 » by Jonny Blaze » Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:10 pm

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Jonny Blaze wrote: Feminism is women wishing they were men.



Wow... this is pure stupid. As was the rest, but this really stood out.

And no, I don't usually explain things that are self evident and easy to understand.


You can't explain anything because all of your arguments are based on emotion....nothing you've said is based on any sort of empirical evidence.

Are you a male feminist?
If you are....then we can end this discussion because I cannot take you seriously as a man. Your feminine nature is evident because all you can do is insult instead of defend your positions.

Anyone that does't agree with you is stupid? You sound like a little kid.

Feminism is a gigantic reason that most black kids in the United States grow up in single parent households without their fathers. Feminism destroyed the nuclear black family in the United States.
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Post#131 » by RiRuHoops » Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:17 pm

I'd hire Whoopi before Becky
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Post#132 » by Jonny Blaze » Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:18 pm

Ein Sof wrote:
Jonny Blaze wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Why is your criteria a penis? Is there any size or girth criteria you need to this. or will just any old penis do?




If the Democrats had pushed the best candidate for POTUS instead of deciding that it was just "time for a woman to be POTUS" then Trump would have never won in 2016.



Hillary beat Trump by millions of votes, so I guess it worked out fine.

Also you should stop posting immediately.


Why? Because I have a different opinion than you?

We should be communistic and only allow opinions that you agree with?

As a Democrat....it terrifies me that Trump was able to cement a 6-3 Conservative Majority on the Supreme Court. This happened because the Democrats didn't put the best candidate forth in 2016.

Democrats in the Midwest stayed home in 2016 instead of voting for Hillary and handed the election to Trump.
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Post#133 » by Ein Sof » Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:20 pm

Jonny Blaze wrote:
Ein Sof wrote:
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If the Democrats had pushed the best candidate for POTUS instead of deciding that it was just "time for a woman to be POTUS" then Trump would have never won in 2016.



Hillary beat Trump by millions of votes, so I guess it worked out fine.

Also you should stop posting immediately.


Why? Because I have a different opinion than you?

We should be communistic and only allow opinions that you agree with?

As a Democrat....it terrifies me that Trump was able to cement a 6-3 Conservative Majority on the Supreme Court. This happened because the Democrats didn't put the best candidate forth in 2016.

Democrats in the Midwest stayed home in 2016 instead of voting for Hillary and handed the election to Trump.

Yes, it also terrifies me that America is a weird fake democracy
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Post#134 » by Mephariel » Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:33 pm

Jonny Blaze wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
Jonny Blaze wrote: Feminism is women wishing they were men.



Wow... this is pure stupid. As was the rest, but this really stood out.

And no, I don't usually explain things that are self evident and easy to understand.


You can't explain anything because all of your arguments are based on emotion....nothing you've said is based on any sort of empirical evidence.

Are you a male feminist?
If you are....then we can end this discussion because I cannot take you seriously as a man. Your feminine nature is evident because all you can do is insult instead of defend your positions.

Anyone that does't agree with you is stupid? You sound like a little kid.

Feminism is a gigantic reason that most black kids in the United States grow up in single parent households without their fathers. Feminism destroyed the nuclear black family in the United States.


This is one of the dumbest post I read today. You basically posted a bunch of things with zero empirical evidence and then you accused others they have no empirical evidence. Show me the evidence that a female led male sports team will have low morale.
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